BP is it worth the health risk?
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One member doing something doesn't say much about anything. I think it's all psychological. I would hope they made doubly sure during the cleanup knowing the history of the marine base. If you can sleep well at night knowing that the ground has been well tested and cleaned then by all means buy. If not, no amount of bottled water will make it worth it.
Did they not? That's TBD as far as we know. IUSD is doing additional testing out of parent concern and abundance of caution around the high school area. Let's see what they find. That should be a good indicator of whether there's anything to worry about with the rest of GP build out.
They removed a bunch of contaminated dirt from the school site during construction. So yes, they didnt clean it up fully the first time. Whats to say they wont find more contaminated dirt later on? You can spot test all you want, but there is no testing method that can guarantee the entire site is cleaned.
There are so many environmental risks we face on a daily basis living anywhere in So Cal whose negative impact far exceed the probability of something bad affecting you from BP dirt. Doesn't matter what anyone says - there will always be those who will worry! Guarantee? There are no guarantees in life and even if someone gives you one, how valid is it? 99.9% of the population can believe a guarantee, yet there is that small percentage who won't believe no matter what! They will likely post on message boards - like TI.
The air we breathe, the food we eat, the ground below where you live now (do you REALLY know what's there?), traffic congestion, earthquakes, the water supply etc. are all safety issues we face daily. Compared to the BP dirt, you have a far greater chance of getting some disease just from breathing. So my recommendation? STOP breathing or move somewhere that has clean air. Let's start a new thread "Breathing: is it worth the risk?" Again, compared to BP dirt, you have a far greater chance of dying from driving. STOP driving but even more, stop all methods of transporting yourself around. Bus and train accidents, getting hit while walking or riding a bicycle. They all happen with more frequency than soil contamination issues. Another thread idea: "Living: is it worth the risk?" Maybe just stay in a concrete bunker with ideal air. Not sure what you can eat though as all foods have safety risks involved somewhere along the line. Yet another idea: "Eating: is it worth the risk?"
Crap - it looks like no matter what I do I will always be able to ask: is it worth the risk? Now I'm depresses. Guess death is the only way to avoid all risk. Ah...but what about life after death? Are there risks in the afterlife? In what forum can I start a new thread: "Afterlife" is it worth the risk?".
My whole rant is tongue-in-cheek even though it does contain some actual facts. Ah...my last new thread idea: "Presenting facts: is it worth the risk?" Not in the TI forums!
eyephone said:
One member doing something doesn't say much about anything. I think it's all psychological. I would hope they made doubly sure during the cleanup knowing the history of the marine base. If you can sleep well at night knowing that the ground has been well tested and cleaned then by all means buy. If not, no amount of bottled water will make it worth it.
acf said:
Did they not? That's TBD as far as we know. IUSD is doing additional testing out of parent concern and abundance of caution around the high school area. Let's see what they find. That should be a good indicator of whether there's anything to worry about with the rest of GP build out.
Laguna21
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@eatthis: I agree on fear mongering crossing the line. I'm not in that camp at all, in fact, BP may be completely fine.
My point was that there are better choices than BP, as BP would sit at the bottom of my list in terms of the selections available in developments out there now. But the contaminated soil does shove it straight to the bottom of the list in terms of where we are looking to buy.
So many better areas to be had: OH, Hidden Canyon, Eastwood Village etc. Why choose an area that has contaminated soil when other areas can be had that are far better than BP?
My point was that there are better choices than BP, as BP would sit at the bottom of my list in terms of the selections available in developments out there now. But the contaminated soil does shove it straight to the bottom of the list in terms of where we are looking to buy.
So many better areas to be had: OH, Hidden Canyon, Eastwood Village etc. Why choose an area that has contaminated soil when other areas can be had that are far better than BP?
Laguna21
New member
@eathis: don't really care about IUSD, has no bearing on our purchase, but aren't there homes that are 3,000 square feet and above in both OH and HC that are IUSD zoned?
Hard to say since the situation is that there are a lot of developments available for sale, and there will continue to be new ones, so many choices!
Hard to say since the situation is that there are a lot of developments available for sale, and there will continue to be new ones, so many choices!
eatthis said:
They removed a bunch of contaminated dirt from the school site during construction. So yes, they didnt clean it up fully the first time. Whats to say they wont find more contaminated dirt later on? You can spot test all you want, but there is no testing method that can guarantee the entire site is cleaned.
hello said:
There are so many environmental risks we face on a daily basis living anywhere in So Cal whose negative impact far exceed the probability of something bad affecting you from BP dirt. Doesn't matter what anyone says - there will always be those who will worry! Guarantee? There are no guarantees in life and even if someone gives you one, how valid is it? 99.9% of the population can believe a guarantee, yet there is that small percentage who won't believe no matter what! They will likely post on message boards - like TI.
The air we breathe, the food we eat, the ground below where you live now (do you REALLY know what's there?), traffic congestion, earthquakes, the water supply etc. are all safety issues we face daily. Compared to the BP dirt, you have a far greater chance of getting some disease just from breathing. So my recommendation? STOP breathing or move somewhere that has clean air. Let's start a new thread "Breathing: is it worth the risk?" Again, compared to BP dirt, you have a far greater chance of dying from driving. STOP driving but even more, stop all methods of transporting yourself around. Bus and train accidents, getting hit while walking or riding a bicycle. They all happen with more frequency than soil contamination issues. Another thread idea: "Living: is it worth the risk?" Maybe just stay in a concrete bunker with ideal air. Not sure what you can eat though as all foods have safety risks involved somewhere along the line. Yet another idea: "Eating: is it worth the risk?"
Crap - it looks like no matter what I do I will always be able to ask: is it worth the risk? Now I'm depresses. Guess death is the only way to avoid all risk. Ah...but what about life after death? Are there risks in the afterlife? In what forum can I start a new thread: "Afterlife" is it worth the risk?".
My whole rant is tongue-in-cheek even though it does contain some actual facts. Ah...my last new thread idea: "Presenting facts: is it worth the risk?" Not in the TI forums!
zubs
Well-known member
So the question is: would I downgrade BP due to the toxic soil problem?
And my answer would be...yes because the builders actually make you sign some shit about not eating fruit. If they took that stipulation out of the contract, then I would not worry about it. Having me legally acknowledge it makes the property worse.
So now, if I were to sell my BP property (or columbus grove), do I have to disclose it to my re-sale buyer? I would probably squeeze the "no eating fruit disclosure" into the middle of the contract hoping my buyer will miss it.
The "no eating fruit" part of the contract doesn't mean I won't buy the property. It just means this property is worse than one that doesn't have the disclosure....like PP.
And my answer would be...yes because the builders actually make you sign some shit about not eating fruit. If they took that stipulation out of the contract, then I would not worry about it. Having me legally acknowledge it makes the property worse.
So now, if I were to sell my BP property (or columbus grove), do I have to disclose it to my re-sale buyer? I would probably squeeze the "no eating fruit disclosure" into the middle of the contract hoping my buyer will miss it.
The "no eating fruit" part of the contract doesn't mean I won't buy the property. It just means this property is worse than one that doesn't have the disclosure....like PP.
zubs
Well-known member
For some reason I got the idea that BP had this disclosure. Upon further review, this idea came from this PS3 thread.http://www.talkirvine.com/index.php/topic,14184.0.html
If BP doesn't have this disclosure, then game on.
If BP doesn't have this disclosure, then game on.
IrvineRes88
New member
Besides the toxic soil, the whole BP development looks deserted to me? I went to their Chinese New Year celebration event, the whole area looks barebone, no landsacping, no trees, it just seems like the whole place will be in construction phase for a long time? Not my ideal of community, sorry. I am really disappointed since I had high hopes and was excited to move to BP, then I read about superfund site, the possible school toxicity, the possible cemetry, the possible jail expansion, the....etc....etc...? I..... give up.
IrvineRes88
New member
Did they disclose why the annual MR increase? I read that the area requires on-going toxicity monitoring & clean up, is it for that?