ICE or EV?
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morekaos
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when you find out that politics was masquerading as economics
Ford to justify its cancellation of plans for producing a large electric SUV. The company also expects to take $1.9 billion hit in related special charges and write-downs for its previous EV investments.
Anyone vaguely familiar with the driving habits of most Americans would not find this “soft demand” unexpected at all. The only thing that is remotely unexpected is the sheer degree of incompetence being demonstrated by automakers in their pursuit of cashing in on government EV mandates.
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Automakers Are Putting Their EV Programs On Hold Until After the 2024 Election
Proof positive that EVs are not a consumer market-driven product but the result of collusion between automakers and the government.Ford to justify its cancellation of plans for producing a large electric SUV. The company also expects to take $1.9 billion hit in related special charges and write-downs for its previous EV investments.
Anyone vaguely familiar with the driving habits of most Americans would not find this “soft demand” unexpected at all. The only thing that is remotely unexpected is the sheer degree of incompetence being demonstrated by automakers in their pursuit of cashing in on government EV mandates.
Automakers Are Putting Their EV Programs On Hold Until After the 2024 Election › American Greatness
“Softer than expected demand” is the claim made by Ford to justify its cancellation of plans for producing a large electric SUV. The company also expects to take $1.9 billion hit in related special…
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irvinehomeowner
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Who doesn't want guvment cheese? Big Oil still getting theirs.
momopi
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Is it the Chinese who do that or the Israeli’s?
How Israel’s bulky pager fooled Hezbollah
An invisible detonator and wafer-thin plastic explosives turned batteries into bombs
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morekaos
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but we get something good out of that, we get nothing out of these wasteful EV subsidies
irvinehomeowner
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Your opinion.
There are many satisfied EV drivers like myself and Musk will disagree with you about getting anything good.
There are many satisfied EV drivers like myself and Musk will disagree with you about getting anything good.
morekaos
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individually that may be true, but the return on tax payers dollar is a loss.
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irvinehomeowner
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$5/gal of gas is a loss too.
morekaos
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Only in California, and again, because of D-bag liberal politicians (thank you Boy King) and their taxes!!
ThirtySomethingWEquity
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I keep saying, I'm not driving an electric car because of the environment, i'm just trying to get out of paying California's dumbass taxes. Starve the beast! Drive a Tesla!Only in California, and again, because of D-bag liberal politicians (thank you Boy King) and their taxes!!
morekaos
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Again the masses suffer for the benefit of a few. All that wasted taxpayer money allowed the rich to save a few bucks at the expense of everyone in order to accomplish….nothing…not even saving the environment…it was all a big scam
irvinehomeowner
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Even the CEO of Ford likes driving EVs:
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Ford CEO Jim Farley has been driving a Chinese EV over the past six months, calling it “fantastic.” After flying the Xiaomi Speed Ultra 7 (SU7) from Shanghai to Chicago, Farley doesn’t want to give it up.
Did he have to pay a tariff to bring that Chinese EV into the US?
Ford CEO doesn't want to give up this Chinese EV he's been driving for months
Ford CEO Jim Farley has been driving a Chinese EV over the past six months, calling it “fantastic.” After flying...
electrek.co
Ford CEO Jim Farley has been driving a Chinese EV over the past six months, calling it “fantastic.” After flying the Xiaomi Speed Ultra 7 (SU7) from Shanghai to Chicago, Farley doesn’t want to give it up.
Did he have to pay a tariff to bring that Chinese EV into the US?
morekaos
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figures, his shortsighted, foolish leadership has driven this once great company into the ditch. He should be fired as soon as possible.Even the CEO of Ford likes driving EVs:
Ford CEO doesn't want to give up this Chinese EV he's been driving for months
Ford CEO Jim Farley has been driving a Chinese EV over the past six months, calling it “fantastic.” After flying...
Ford CEO Jim Farley has been driving a Chinese EV over the past six months, calling it “fantastic.” After flying the Xiaomi Speed Ultra 7 (SU7) from Shanghai to Chicago, Farley doesn’t want to give it up.
Did he have to pay a tariff to bring that Chinese EV into the US?
irvinehomeowner
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Base Maverick started at just above $20k when it first came out.
Then dealers got greedy (some marked up $10k).
Ford realize they can charge more... and there you go.
Remember when Tacomas used to be cheap?
Then dealers got greedy (some marked up $10k).
Ford realize they can charge more... and there you go.
Remember when Tacomas used to be cheap?
irvinehomeowner
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For morekaos' next math lesson:
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Here’s what’s actually happening: Over the course of the last year or so, sales of battery electric vehicles, while continuing to grow, have posted lower year-over-year percentage growth rates than they had in previous years.
This alone is not particularly remarkable – it is inevitable that any growing product or category will show slower percentage growth rates as sales rise, particularly one that has been growing at such a fast rate for so long.
In some recent years, we’ve even seen year-over-year doublings in EV market share (though one of those was 2020->2021, which was anomalous). To expect improvement at that level perpetually would be close to impossible – after 3 years of doubling market share from 2023’s 18% number, EVs would account for more than 100% of the global automotive market, which cannot happen.
Clearly, growth percentages will need to trend downward as a new product category grows. It would be impossible for them not to.
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Sales of new gas-powered cars are down by about a quarter from their peak in 2017, and show no signs of recovering. It is exceedingly likely that 2017 will be the high-water mark of gas-powered cars ever sold on this planet.
And yet, somehow, virtually every headline you read is about the “EV sales slump,” rather than the “gas-car sales slump.” The latter is real, the former is incorrect.
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EV sales have not fallen, cooled, slowed or slumped. Stop lying in headlines.
Electric car sales keep rising, even as headlines would have you believe otherwise. Gas car sales, however, actually *are* down.
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EV sales have not fallen, cooled, slowed or slumped.
[...]Here’s what’s actually happening: Over the course of the last year or so, sales of battery electric vehicles, while continuing to grow, have posted lower year-over-year percentage growth rates than they had in previous years.
This alone is not particularly remarkable – it is inevitable that any growing product or category will show slower percentage growth rates as sales rise, particularly one that has been growing at such a fast rate for so long.
In some recent years, we’ve even seen year-over-year doublings in EV market share (though one of those was 2020->2021, which was anomalous). To expect improvement at that level perpetually would be close to impossible – after 3 years of doubling market share from 2023’s 18% number, EVs would account for more than 100% of the global automotive market, which cannot happen.
Clearly, growth percentages will need to trend downward as a new product category grows. It would be impossible for them not to.
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Gas car sales are
Because that’s just the thing: the number of gas-only vehicles being sold worldwide is a number that actually is falling. That number continues to go down year over year.Sales of new gas-powered cars are down by about a quarter from their peak in 2017, and show no signs of recovering. It is exceedingly likely that 2017 will be the high-water mark of gas-powered cars ever sold on this planet.
And yet, somehow, virtually every headline you read is about the “EV sales slump,” rather than the “gas-car sales slump.” The latter is real, the former is incorrect.
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irvinehomeowner
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So if you don't want to have real conversations... just don't respond. That's what I do with your posts.
morekaos
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Tell that to all the major car companies that have to do long-term strategic planning for production. ALL of them are depending on their Ice vehicle production going forward and are cutting back grand plans for a total EV takeover. That’s just smart business. The only exception to that is China, which subsidizes its EV production market in hopes that it will sustain growth. They don’t have to answer to shareholders or even make a buck, so they don’t care.. 
irvinehomeowner
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You keep misunderstanding the point of this thread. There will not be a short term total EV takeover.
EV growth will happen, whether it's slow or fast depends on the market and should not rely on mandates (as I've always said).
Technologically, EVs are a superior product just like smart phones are better than landlines.
Car companies should figure out the best way down that eventual path so they are not left behind like Blackberry and Palm.
I feel they are doing that but all you keep talking about is doomed EV rhetoric which isn't having a conversation. EVs are better vehicles... and just like there wasn't a gas station on every corner so horse/wagons were preferred over cars... that same transition is going to happen with EVs.
This TI poll says it... people prefer EVs over ICE. One day you will thank me from your EV boat.
EV growth will happen, whether it's slow or fast depends on the market and should not rely on mandates (as I've always said).
Technologically, EVs are a superior product just like smart phones are better than landlines.
Car companies should figure out the best way down that eventual path so they are not left behind like Blackberry and Palm.
I feel they are doing that but all you keep talking about is doomed EV rhetoric which isn't having a conversation. EVs are better vehicles... and just like there wasn't a gas station on every corner so horse/wagons were preferred over cars... that same transition is going to happen with EVs.
This TI poll says it... people prefer EVs over ICE. One day you will thank me from your EV boat.