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irvinehomeowner said:
I can name a few as like zubs I deal with actual goods and not just services.

The one that sticks out to me is ebikes: Almost all are made in China and every brand sent notices to consumers that they are raising their prices due to tarrifs.

Tell me why almost anything you buy is more expensive? Inflation? Yes. Biden economy? Maybe. Tarrifs? Absolutely. If it's not made in China, the packages it comes in are.

Why does this logic elude you?
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Nothing eludes me.

I've only asked for personal impacts of these tariffs. So far, I've heard of business impacts, not personal. So... an E-Bike is more expensive. That's hardly moving the needle much, but yes, an impact none the less. With all of the E-Bike Koooks zooming around I'd rather see the tariffs at 2000 percent so that adults only can buy them... But that's a discussion for another time.

Did anyone's business fail because of these tariffs? Doesn't sound like it. Did anyone not get their bonus in 2018-2019 because of these tariffs? Not really known at this time, but doubtful. This means to me that it's possible to absorb the tariff expense, or work with another supplier who can partially offset the expense. Not the Armageddon!!!! scenario we're being sold by Blue politicos.

I'm perfectly fine with prices being higher as long as the reasoning behind it is solid. Example? I'd rather pay $6.00 for an avocado, as long as the workers are paid a living wage and not the slave wages they are today. The Lefties (and yes, some Righties) want wide open borders for cheap labor - a scenario we fought a Civil War over 160 years ago. I'd prefer to see wiser men avoid this than accept the status quo.
 
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Actually... that's why I brought up the ebikes... at least 5 brands that I know of, have closed in the last 6 years. Juiced just announced their closure last week. As for businesses, where did Pedego Irvine go? If you read the retail thread... how many stores have gone under?

Just admit it... you are biased on this, almost as much as morekaos... it's okay... but don't pretend tariffs have no effect on cost of goods or our economy.

Inflation doesn't come from nowhere. There are tons of articles that explained how tariffs have affected the economy, are you just ignoring that?
 
If China gets the 60% tariff, I will increase my prices by 50% because I know my competition has to increase it by 60%.
Why would I leave money on the table?

This will inflate everyones prices...but I'll be richer..
 
CalBears96 said:
Are Trumpers so ignorant that they don't know that tariffs is basically a form of tax for American consumers? It's NOT China paying for it, it's American consumers paying for it.
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Are Kackala Dems so ignorant that they don’t know that price controls create shortages and increase prices?… it’s not corporations paying for it, it’s American consumers paying for it.🤦🏽‍♂️😂😂😂
 
irvinehomeowner said:
Actually... that's why I brought up the ebikes... at least 5 brands that I know of, have closed in the last 6 years. Juiced just announced their closure last week. As for businesses, where did Pedego Irvine go? If you read the retail thread... how many stores have gone under?

Just admit it... you are biased on this, almost as much as morekaos... it's okay... but don't pretend tariffs have no effect on cost of goods or our economy.

Inflation doesn't come from nowhere. There are tons of articles that explained how tariffs have affected the economy, are you just ignoring that?
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Not ignoring an average 2% inflation rate of 2017-2020 during those terrible terrible Tariff days.

So there are fewer E-Bike manufacturers and vendors. ZZZzzz OH, sorry. I dozed off browsing AOL chats and Asking Jeeves about the weather on my Compaq PC. Competition and oversaturation shuts companies faster than Tariffs ever will.
 
zubs said:
If China gets the 60% tariff, I will increase my prices by 50% because I know my competition has to increase it by 60%.
Why would I leave money on the table?

This will inflate everyones prices...but I'll be richer..
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The real question is how TF were you in business before the tariff when China was selling the same product as you were for 60% less

But generally yes, tariffs distort supply/demand and are inflationary. There may be other reasons to impose a tariff that may offset the market supply/demand/price distortions though.
 
someguy said:
The real question is how TF were you in business before the tariff when China was selling the same product as you were for 60% less

But generally yes, tariffs distort supply/demand and are inflationary. There may be other reasons to impose a tariff that may offset the market supply/demand/price distortions though.
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He imported from China before. He doesn't do it now, but his competition still does. If there's a 60% tariffs on China, his competition is the one paying for it. As a result, his competition has to pass it to the consumer. And zubs can then increase his price by 50%, which is still 10% less than his competition.
 
sgip said:
Not ignoring an average 2% inflation rate of 2017-2020 during those terrible terrible Tariff days.

So there are fewer E-Bike manufacturers and vendors. ZZZzzz OH, sorry. I dozed off browsing AOL chats and Asking Jeeves about the weather on my Compaq PC. Competition and oversaturation shuts companies faster than Tariffs ever will.
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And this is why no one should respond to you.

You keep asking for 3 things about Kamala but cannot admitted Trump's single action of not recognizing the results of 2020 election and causing an insurrection as way worse than anything Kamala has ever done.

Because you know as does morekaos there is no dancing around that.
 
Doesn’t matter…she’s doomed!🤷🏽‍♂️😂😂😂👍🏽🇺🇸

‘Now I like him’: Some Black voters in Georgia see Trump as a real option​

ALBANY, Georgia — The pews were filling up inside Mount Zion Baptist Church, where former President Bill Clinton was set to launch his rural campaign swing for Vice President Kamala Harris in this Democratic stronghold bordering a sea of rural red Georgia.

In the back, Joseph Parker said he was thrilled the Arkansan was coming. But it had been nearly a quarter-century since Clinton left office and, Parker said, “Things were really different then.”

This year, he said he’s voting for former President Donald Trump, the first time the 72-year-old has cast a ballot for a Republican presidential candidate.
“Trump’s a man of his word. What he says he’s gonna do, he does,” Parker said, after initial reluctance to reveal his preference. “And everything is so high now — groceries high, clothes, everything, gas. And four years ago, it wasn’t that high. And so people see the difference in Kamala Harris and Trump, and they want some of what they had four years ago. And I do, too.”

 
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irvinehomeowner said:
And this is why no one should respond to you.

You keep asking for 3 things about Kamala but cannot admitted Trump's single action of not recognizing the results of 2020 election and causing an insurrection as way worse than anything Kamala has ever done.

Because you know as does morekaos there is no dancing around that.
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"January 6th" is the "Russia, Russia, Russia" of today. Post election combative actions are nothing new. Go down the corridors of history and you'll find many examples of riotous behavior in The Capitol and at The White House from the very founding of the Republic.

Ask anyone on the Left if the 2000 Bush v Gore election was "stolen" or if Bush was "coronated" by SCOTUS. The facts are that Florida's votes did not go Al Gores way, but the Left still fights on 24 years later.

Speaking of "Russia, Russia, Russia", what HRC did in creating a completely false narrative about Russian collusion is in many ways worse than January 6th. Careers were ruined and opportunities lost during 45's Presidency. Just because Cankles didn't break the glass ceiling in no way gave her the right to burn the whole place down.

45 wanted to completely deny the results of the 2020 election - something which is nothing new. Sadly there was a wholey preventable riot had the requested National Guard troops been allowed into DC but some didn't want that to happen. We see the results of that decision clearly. Still, 45 left office peacefully and on time, without trashing the White House as the Clintonistas did in 2000. (Google is your friend here if the context is lost)

Even now, the Left ( Jamie Raskin, et al) is saying openly they will not certify the 2024 election results if 45 is elected to be 47. They are planning lawfare from November 7th on to deny The Coppertone Caligula victory (Marc Elias) yet no one seems to care about that sort of election denial, do they?

Was January 6th bad? Sure. Was it unusual? Not really, which is why when I hear "BUT...JANUARY 6TH" I fall asleep from the effects of an acute case of HCBS - Historical Context Boredom Syndrome.
 
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Should be interesting🤦🏽‍♂️😂😂😂

Will Kamala commit to certifying a Trump win?​

The country deserves a definitive answer before November 5
But the national media is also engaged in a severe case of collective amnesia. When Trump soundly defeated Hillary Clinton in 2016, several Democrats protested his electoral certification. Hollywood celebrities banded together to create ads and sad videos begging for faithless electors to nominate anyone but Donald Trump. The majority of the party, led by Hillary Clinton, then spent four years telling any media outlet that would listen that Trump was not a legitimate president — and in 2020 even advised Joe Biden not to concede under any circumstances, should Trump also win that election.

Now we find ourselves in a unique situation in 2024, as several close allies of Kamala Harris are signaling that should Trump capture the Electoral College, they will not certify his win this time around, citing everything from his criminal cases against him, to an invocation of the Fourteenth Amendment. Kamala Harris, as the sitting vice president of the United States, must answer if she will certify a Trump victory, despite the calls against doing so coming from those close to her campaign.

thespectator.com

Will Kamala commit to certifying a Trump win?

Kamala must answer if she will ignore the crowing of her colleagues and fulfill her duty. For now, we don’t know where she stands
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someguy said:
The real question is how TF were you in business before the tariff when China was selling the same product as you were for 60% less

But generally yes, tariffs distort supply/demand and are inflationary. There may be other reasons to impose a tariff that may offset the market supply/demand/price distortions though.
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Back in 2018, I was buying product from China before the 25% steel tariff.
After the Trump Tariff, my customer took my 25% price increase for 2 years...before they cancelled orders and moved it all away.
Moving production is not easy and it took them 2 years to do it. Perhaps they thought Biden would have taken the 25% tariffs away...but he did not.

With the threat of 60% tariffs on China and a possibility that trump will win, companies are already looking for new sources outside China.
Same customer asked me if I would open a plant in USA. I said you wanna pay 3X the current price?

Today my competition is China, so ....60% tariff on China helps me, but will not help u.
 
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Kalapa said:
Trump is Exhausted

I like Presidents who can actually show up and do the job. He’s like an old battery, leaking its contents, but there’s no other new batteries around. You just keep trying to turn on your flashlight, hoping to get one last charge out of it. But you know you are lying to yourself, and the batteries are done. Finished.

Trump spent 3 years and millions of dollars telling us Joe Biden was unfit for office. Now we can see it was all projection. The slurring words, inability to answer questions, the crazy ramblings about electrocuting sharks or Hannibal Lecter.

You had a chance to run Nikki, and indeed a large chunk of sane Republicans understood she was the better choice. Now he we are, with a criminal wannabe dictator—the most incompetent candidate in Presidential history.
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Trump took the P part of GOP to heart: Projection.
 
zubs said:
Back in 2018, I was buying product from China before the 25% steel tariff.
After the Trump Tariff, my customer took my 25% price increase for 2 years...before they cancelled orders and moved it all away.
Moving production is not easy and it took them 2 years to do it. Perhaps they thought Biden would have taken the 25% tariffs away...but he did not.

With the threat of 60% tariffs on China and a possibility that trump will win, companies are already looking for new sources outside China.
Same customer asked me if I would open a plant in USA. I said you wanna pay 3X the current price?

Today my competition is China, so ....60% tariff on China helps me, but will not help u.
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I get what you're saying.

Personally I would rather purchase from an American with an American supply chain even if it means I pay more as a consumer, but there are far more consumers for a business to consider than me.
 
someguy said:
I'm exhausted from reading this thread and politics being in the spotlight for the last 8 years straight. Can we go back to not caring about politics with the exception of about 1 week every 4 years?
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Funny I didn't see you complain when moretroll was posting shit about Biden in the past 4 years, but you're exhausted now when Kalapa posts facts about Trump DURING Election period.
 
Teemu selling 75 ft hose for $17...while Home Depot sells 50ft hose for $36.
Same quality....are you still gonna buy it from HD?
The HD hose also made in China...but atleast HD gets a cut.

I really should use 50ft hose from Teemu as comparison, but I recently bought the $17 one...and it's pretty good.
The HD one I put it on another faucet. I thought this example as relevant, since I did have another 50ft hose from HD 3 years ago. It started leaking after less than 2 years....so if a hose only works for 1-2 years....then I'll just keep buying the cheaper one as a commodity.

www.homedepot.com

Pocket Hose Silver Bullet 3/4 in. Dia x 50 ft. Lightweight Kink-Free Expandable Water Garden Hose 13397-6 - The Home Depot

Our Pocket Hose Silver Bullet is the easy way to water your lawn. The expandable hose made from an exclusive biaxial braid outer shell. This seamless micromesh fabric prevents tearing so the garden hose
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It's now $29.98....deflation!

You would pay double price?

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CalBears96 said:
Funny I didn't see you complain when moretroll was posting shit about Biden in the past 4 years, but you're exhausted now when Kalapa posts facts about Trump DURING Election period.
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Yawn. Go get busy with something other than trying to start arguments on internet forms.
 
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