Woodbury Density

[irvinehomeowner]

After Stonegate gets built out to the north, Woodbury 2 to the south, and Great Park Neighborhoods to the east, living in Woodbury will be a !@#$%

As some of those place will be getting their own infrastructure... I'm not sure that it would be that bad.

That's like saying building Westpark and Oak Creek around Woodbridge made Woodbridge more crowded.

Except the only road going to all three communities is Sand Canyon.

That still doesn't make it more crowded *in* Woodbury. I also think more people access Woodbury from Jeffrey.

The Great Park can be accessed from the 5, the 133,  Barranca, Alton and Irvine Blvd. It will probably be residence to people who work in the Spectrum (like Laguna Crossing).

 

[Irvine2Irvine]

That still doesn't make it more crowded *in* Woodbury. I also think more people access Woodbury from Jeffrey.

The Great Park can be accessed from the 5, the 133,  Barranca, Alton and Irvine Blvd. It will probably be residence to people who work in the Spectrum (like Laguna Crossing).

Sonoma, Carmel II and the rest of southern Woodbury SFR section can be accessed best from Trabuco.  There's hardly any traffic on Trabuco.  From there, it's a short hop to 5 freeway via either Jeffery or Sand Canyon which is less than a mile.  If you want to get on 405, you can take 5 South from Sand Canyon to 133 South to 405 in no time.  I don't think road traffic will be any issue for Woodbury.  As I said earlier, it will be different for Portola Springs residents.

 

[annabanana]

Portola Springs can use the toll road at Irvine Blvd.  Its .75

 

[Irvine2Irvine]

Portola Springs can use the toll road at Irvine Blvd.  Its .75

Yes they can.  It's the idea of paying toll that will bother many, especially the FCBs.  They usually hate to pay for something they can get for free, even if it take them extra time and effort. 

 

[irvinehomeowner]

Actually... the poll results are less skewed to the crowded answer... 10 Yes, 10 No or Neutral.

The funny thing is I don't think it's any more crowded than Northpark or even the south enclave of Portola.

But maybe the definition of "dense" needs clarity. While it may not be crowded with people... it's does seem to be very dense in regards to homes. Many homes are very close to each other (some zero lot lines)... quite a few attached products and areas that were supposed to be more open space are now in-filled with homes (Montecito 1/Carmel 1).

I2I says that Woodbridge feels crowded but I bet there are more homes per sq ft in Woodbury than there are in Woodbridge.

 

[irvinefan]

here are my observations from living on two different sides of woodbury over the last few years:

- streets with condos/townhomes feel slightly crowded due to a lot of cars being parked on the streets
- streets with majority SFH do not feel crowded to me, and i don't even see that many people outside
- common areas are not crowded at all... restaurants are not packed, TJ/Ralph's have people going in and out but are not packed.  at night i jog past many pocket parks that are completely empty.

p.s. is it time for a kpop video yet?

 

[blitzjs]

I'm curious on how many people who voted yes, actually live in Woodbury.  We've been in Woodbury for 5 years or so and Jeffrey is way less traveled than Culver or Jamboree and Sand Canyon is even emptier than Jeffrey (on this side of the I5).  We use the amenities throughout the community and only on the hottest of days are the pools crowded but you can always find another pool nearby that is vacant.  Walking around the community a few times a week, I have a hard time believing anyone feels that its crowded here.  However, if you enter the different apartment complexes then its a different story.  Even with the lack of driveways, there's plenty of street parking (apartments excluded) unlike WBE. 

Woodbury Town Center is also not crowded at all (I think due to the lack of food options though).  Trader Joes, right after work hours, will sometimes require a few minutes waiting in the check out line but nothing like Whole Foods.

I'm curious to see how many empty homes there are though, when we first came to Woodbury, it seemed to be more populated than it is now, especially by the attached products like Treo. 

 

[test]

Frank R. Bowerman Landfill
http://irvinehomes.ocregister.com/2010/01/07/irvines-dubious-distinction/12421/

 

[Irvine2Irvine]

Frank R. Bowerman Landfill
http://irvinehomes.ocregister.com/2010/01/07/irvines-dubious-distinction/12421/

What does that have anything to do with being crowded or not???

 

[locolocal]

I'm curious on how many people who voted yes, actually live in Woodbury. 

I voted yes and I don't live in Woodbury.  My experience with woodbury housing is strictly limited to the Irvine Company promotions during the new openings.  I go because they promise free hot dogs, hamburgers and coupons even though I have no intention on purchasing a new apartment. 

I cannot tell you the number of times that someone almost rammed their Honda mini-van into me or ran a stop side trying to fight her way into an open parking space.

I don't know anyone who lives in Woodbury so I have never been there during normal times, but my perception is based on the chaos brought about by the Irvine Company marketing.

 

[Irvine2Irvine]

I'm curious on how many people who voted yes, actually live in Woodbury. 

I voted yes and I don't live in Woodbury.  My experience with woodbury housing is strictly limited to the Irvine Company promotions during the new openings.  I go because they promise free hot dogs, hamburgers and coupons even though I have no intention on purchasing a new apartment. 

I cannot tell you the number of times that someone almost rammed their Honda mini-van into me or ran a stop side trying to fight her way into an open parking space.

I don't know anyone who lives in Woodbury so I have never been there during normal times, but my perception is based on the chaos brought about by the Irvine Company marketing.

That's like saying one house in a neighborhood has a parking problem because you went to it's open house and there was no parking around the house.

 

[blitzjs]

I'm curious on how many people who voted yes, actually live in Woodbury. 

I voted yes and I don't live in Woodbury.  My experience with woodbury housing is strictly limited to the Irvine Company promotions during the new openings.  I go because they promise free hot dogs, hamburgers and coupons even though I have no intention on purchasing a new apartment. 

I cannot tell you the number of times that someone almost rammed their Honda mini-van into me or ran a stop side trying to fight her way into an open parking space.

I don't know anyone who lives in Woodbury so I have never been there during normal times, but my perception is based on the chaos brought about by the Irvine Company marketing.

That's like saying one house in a neighborhood has a parking problem because you went to it's open house and there was no parking around the house.

This is why we need context.  How many people voted based on hearsay or visits to WB during special events, open houses, etc vs people who have friends/family or live in WB themselves. 

 

[Talyssa]

isn't density purely about number of human beings per square foot?  That's different from "feeling" crowded.    In theory, when they plan out the community they should be planning for whatever the expected density (human beings per square foot) is and if they did a good job then its no problem.

I think maybe the biggest potential concern is what happens in 10 years..or 20.  Like, houses built in a certain era didn't have garages at all because it wasn't common to have a car, so a lot of htem later added a garage around the back.    Houses built a little later assumed that families would all certainly have one car, and MAYBE have 2 cars, but maybe not.    Later it was assumed that families would certainly have 2 cars.  But now adays its common for families to have 3-4 cars if not more - people buy their teenagers cars, they often have their college age and recent grads living at home, they often have recreational vehicles like jet skis that they need to store in the garage, etc.   

Or another example is with apartment and condo complexes built during those times -presumably there was AMPLE parking when the norm was that a 1 br apartment had a single person with a single car 80-90% of hte time, a 2br apartment had 2 adults and maybe a child, with 2 cars, etc.  But now that its normal for 2 people to share a 1br and for a 2 br to be split between 3-4 young adults, or have teenagers with cars, those parking lots are an absolute nightmare.

so if Woodbury developers assumed that 1) woodbury would be mostly young families and professionals and 2) people move after about 10 years - and the demographic choosing to buy those homes would again be young families and young professionals -- how does that change things?

 

[usctrojancpa]

density = number of residential housing units (including apartments) per acre and not how many live there.  As I stated, Woodbury has one of the largest concentration of apartments and attached condos of any Irvine Village.

 

[IrvinePilot]

density = number of residential housing units (including apartments) per acre and not how many live there.  As I stated, Woodbury has one of the largest concentration of apartments and attached condos of any Irvine Village.

Woodbury was designed to have approx 5,000 homes on approx 600 acres.  Portola Springs was designed to have approx 5,000 homes on approx 1,200 acres.  I think not having a grand arrival experience is ok so long as you are getting more open space between neighborhoods.

 

[Irvine2Irvine]

density = number of residential housing units (including apartments) per acre and not how many live there.  As I stated, Woodbury has one of the largest concentration of apartments and attached condos of any Irvine Village.

Woodbury was designed to have approx 5,000 homes on approx 600 acres.  Portola Springs was designed to have approx 5,000 homes on approx 1,200 acres.  I think not having a grand arrival experience is ok so long as you are getting more open space between neighborhoods.

Yes, the apartment complexes in Woodbury push the number of homes a lot.

 

[test]

Woodbury was designed to have approx 5,000 homes on approx 600 acres.  Portola Springs was designed to have approx 5,000 homes on approx 1,200 acres.  I think not having a grand arrival experience is ok so long as you are getting more open space between neighborhoods.

That's 10,000 homes.  Add in another 5,000 for Stonegate, another 5,000 for Great Park, another 5,000 for PA40 and you have 25,000 homes all traveling on Sand Canyon trying to get to the Spectrum.

 

[irvinehomeowner]

The Great Park and PA40 probably won't use Sand Canyon.

 

[irvinehomeowner]

That's 10,000 homes.  Add in another 5,000 for Stonegate, another 5,000 for Great Park, another 5,000 for PA40 and you have 25,000 homes all traveling on Sand Canyon trying to get to the Spectrum.

I'm guessing that you recommend we all buy your homes in Columbus Square.

Yeah... because no one uses Jamboree.

 

[Irvine2Irvine]

Woodbury was designed to have approx 5,000 homes on approx 600 acres.  Portola Springs was designed to have approx 5,000 homes on approx 1,200 acres.  I think not having a grand arrival experience is ok so long as you are getting more open space between neighborhoods.

That's 10,000 homes.  Add in another 5,000 for Stonegate, another 5,000 for Great Park, another 5,000 for PA40 and you have 25,000 homes all traveling on Sand Canyon trying to get to the Spectrum.

I bet Culver and Jeffery has a lot more than that AND all the retail center traffic.  The big traffic generators are the retail center.  Look at Culver at 5 freeway.  The traffic is a lot heavier on the 1/2 mile through Wanut Village and Heritage Center vs 1/2 mile through homes on the Northwood side.