Why so many negative comments about living in the City of Irvine?

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[quote author="Astute Observer" date=1228437119]Foreign Cash Buyers, the mystical beasts that will keep Irvine and NB real estate appreciate indefinitely.</blockquote>
Not indefinitely... just makes the drops lag behind surrounding cities.



And they're not that mythical... I've spotted several... almost fed one.
 
[quote author="CalGal" date=1228444592]<blockquote>When I?m walking along the San Gabriel river in south El Monte, the Mexicans there greet me and I chat with them about their dog or horse (it?s a horse trail). They?re not as wealthy as OC yuppies but very relaxed and friendly people. In Irvine people would pretend they didn?t see you and avoid eye contact.</blockquote>
I totally agree. I have yet to meet a Mexican that I didn't like. In general, they are the most friendliest people I have ever met. I'm moving to Boston, and I want to take them all with me. :coolsmile: They are one of the things that I'll miss about California. :down:



Now before Troop says anything, I haven't met a Mexican gang member. I'm thinking they might be a bit different.</blockquote>


Having recently lived in New England for many years, I can attest that it is just as racist and closed-minded as the South - worse in many ways. The Red Sox cap replaces the Confederate Flag and the weather is colder, but otherwise it's the same place as when South Boston residents rioted in the 70s over de-segregation. Southie - another paradox. Think about this:where else in the country do you have public housing projects full of white people (multi-generational Irish welfare families)? I enjpoyed living there but was truly appalled at the institutional racism, and de-facto housing segregation (know anyone living in Lowell?) that is part and parcel of everyday life. It must suck to be a minority in Boston proper and have to deal with the cops.



My favorite barometer was radio: 1 R&B station, 1 Latino station, 5 hard rock stations. The mullet and IROC are alive and well in New England.
 
[quote author="CalGal" date=1228444592]<blockquote>When I?m walking along the San Gabriel river in south El Monte, the Mexicans there greet me and I chat with them about their dog or horse (it?s a horse trail). They?re not as wealthy as OC yuppies but very relaxed and friendly people. In Irvine people would pretend they didn?t see you and avoid eye contact.</blockquote>
I totally agree. I have yet to meet a Mexican that I didn't like. In general, they are the most friendliest people I have ever met.</blockquote>


Ipo thinks I am grumpy.
 
Irvine is a city planned following a set of well designed templates and grew by repetition of successful formulated homes so in keeping with its motto I am going to honor the spirit of Irvine by recycling my old posts from a year and a half ago.



The house that I lived in last was repeated in 6 different neighborhoods in Irvine. When I listed my home there were a total of 35 identical houses listed as well. It really hurt the comp when the buyers can use them as negotiation advantage.



Just in my neighborhood alone 40 homes shared the same plan. My relatives from LA could never remember the distinctive character of the street because there is no visual landmark. Every residential street in Irvine is 35? wide and a 6? of grass on both side and a 4? sidewalk. There are only 3 types of trees, California Pepper, Eucalyptus, and Olive. My relative knocked on the wrong beige houses on many occasions.



Every neighborhood is surrounded by perimeter walls like the Forbidden City. I rarely see people walk on the sidewalks or use the parks. The only people I saw there regularly were the maintenance crew having lunch.



I never saw my neighbors because they live behind their garage. They used their garage as a primary entry. The neighbors never saw each other because most living spaces of the homes were off the tiny backyard. 5 neighbors were contiguous to my rear yard and 3 were at the back and 2 on my sides. I knew their bathroom habit well because I could see the lighting frequency and timing. All my neighbor?s second floor windows viewed down to my yard so I never used it. They looked down on to my window so I kept the blinds closed most of the time.



Our front yards were small so no one bothered to spend time manicuring their front. There was definitely no social interaction on the street.



The street was very wide and several kids playing on the street were almost run over by speeding cars so parents never let their kids out playing on the street again.



I waved to a neighbor adjoining my rear sometime but I could never locate the front of his house which is accessed from a completely different street. The front architectural style and the back never matched so I could never figure it out. The back was plain and stripped while many fronts were trimmed like a Vegas hotel.



The only thing that I knew about my neighbors was the new Mercedes and BMWs they parked on the driveway. Once a year I do see them doing Christmas decorations. Everyone got the same decoration from Target that year.



I never made friends during the 18 years living in Irvine. The story has been the same for my co-workers as well.

The best things were my homes were never burglarized and my kids got good grades from school. I made more friends here at IHB than the 18 years living in Irvine.



Homes in Irvine were inspired by San Marino architecture except in SM the parcel of land is much bigger with a real functional yard. Curb appeal is a million times more attractive that the repetition of cookie cutter facades in Irvine. Homes in San Marino are not dominated by garages and driveways. Mature trees and real front yards are much more attractive.



I lived in several neighborhoods in Irvine since the late 80?s. I would have to say I never knew my neighbors and was never greeted by them. Many neighbors did not know each other also. I wonder if this is a social issue if the neighborhood when Irvine is so crime free there is not a need for neighbors to get know each other to form support group to defend the territory.



Or may be the behavior is driven by livable part of the homes never engage the street combining with never using the front door and the lack of front yard gardening. No one really saw each other. All my neighbors drive into the garage and directly access into the home and rolled down the garage door quickly. The streets are deserted and the width is way too wide and that encourage speeding therefore parent rarely allow their kids to play on the street and they play at the parks.



I see families at the parks but they are from other neighborhoods. I talked to them and never see them again for another 6 months. I bought in Northpark 6 years ago and 80% of my neighbors sold their homes and moved up to a bigger house. I never saw them again. Pedestrians are rare in Irvine. All the sidewalks and beautiful parkways the Irvine Company incorporated into many communities rarely get utilized. Everyone drives to his or her destination. Pedestrians sometime are stopped by the Police on Culver and the Jeffrey Open space hobo managed to exercise his civil right in avoiding the slammer.



Most home buyers consider their home as an investment and transitory home. Homes are treated as a business transaction. None of these homes will ever become Grandma?s house where 3 generations would gather home for the Holidays. No one stays in their homes for a long period of time. Neighbors come and go and rarely stay in touch. The culture in Irvine is really about keeping up with the Joneses, Wongs or Chos. "I want you to be envious of what I have" I wonder if the environment is harvesting this type of thinking.



Pelican Hills, Crystal Cove, Ocean Ridge, and Shady Canyon are even worse for neighbor interaction. The only interactions I hear from them are bickering. "Your tree is blocking my view" and "I am envious of you because you got away with your detached casita having a second kitchen".



All in all for different folks there are different strokes. Irvine is a perfect textbook city cased studied by Ivy League school scholars. I lived there for many years and I felt much ?liberated? after moved away. Irvine for many is a perfect place with numerous positive attributes. The perfection was what attracted me there in the first place for secured investment shelter and good schools. As I grew older I have gained appreciation for legacy neighborhoods that evolved over a long period of time. Houses along the same street were built 6 decades apart with various home additions that tell a story of several generations. Trees were allowed to canopy over the street and homes with sizable yards to accommodate avocado and citrus trees. Adding a white picket fence would not result a warning from the HOA. No two homes are alike and there are as many homes with plaster and wood sidings. Most importantly, there are old men and old ladies walking on the sidewalk as well as young mothers with strollers and none seemed to harvest the stuck up attitude that I experienced the last 18 years living in Irvine.
 
I guess it depends where you live.



Woodbury seems to be very community friendly... even when we were looking for homes there I would often see neighbors and the little parks within each section.



Where I currently live, the sidewalks are often used. I run into the same people walking the same dogs. I see the same parents walking their children to school. I see the same moms pushing their strollers, the same bikers and the same joggers. In at least two other streets there are cones out to warn drivers to slow down as groups of children are meandering about in the cul-de-sac.



I only know two of my neighbors but that's fine because we don't have anything in common. The friends we have are the friends we made in high school, college or thereafter. But if my neighbors need a favor or vice versa, everyone is willing to help.



I have inadvertently left my garage door open or my front door unlocked and when I come back, nothing is missing. I can walk the neighborhood at night. My kids can walk the neighborhood during the day.



For every story... there is a counter... it's all relative.



Irvine rules!
 
[quote author="irvine_home_owner" date=1228465468]I guess it depends where you live.



Woodbury seems to be very community friendly... even when we were looking for homes there I would often see neighbors and the little parks within each section.



Where I currently live, the sidewalks are often used. I run into the same people walking the same dogs. I see the same parents walking their children to school. I see the same moms pushing their strollers, the same bikers and the same joggers. In at least two other streets there are cones out to warn drivers to slow down as groups of children are meandering about in the cul-de-sac.



I only know two of my neighbors but that's fine because we don't have anything in common. The friends we have are the friends we made in high school, college or thereafter. But if my neighbors need a favor or vice versa, everyone is willing to help.



I have inadvertently left my garage door open or my front door unlocked and when I come back, nothing is missing. I can walk the neighborhood at night. My kids can walk the neighborhood during the day.



For every story... there is a counter... it's all relative.



Irvine rules!</blockquote>


I live in North Santa Ana and pretty much everything here describes my neighborhood. We never lock our doors (horror!), our neighbors are friendly and we have made several friends due to the connection we have with our kids. I guess the difference is that our houses are all different and built between 1900 and 1960 and our park is large and rustic rather than small and new.
 
[quote author="tmare" date=1228466121][quote author="irvine_home_owner" date=1228465468]I guess it depends where you live.



Woodbury seems to be very community friendly... even when we were looking for homes there I would often see neighbors and the little parks within each section.



Where I currently live, the sidewalks are often used. I run into the same people walking the same dogs. I see the same parents walking their children to school. I see the same moms pushing their strollers, the same bikers and the same joggers. In at least two other streets there are cones out to warn drivers to slow down as groups of children are meandering about in the cul-de-sac.



I only know two of my neighbors but that's fine because we don't have anything in common. The friends we have are the friends we made in high school, college or thereafter. But if my neighbors need a favor or vice versa, everyone is willing to help.



I have inadvertently left my garage door open or my front door unlocked and when I come back, nothing is missing. I can walk the neighborhood at night. My kids can walk the neighborhood during the day.



For every story... there is a counter... it's all relative.



Irvine rules!</blockquote>


I live in North Santa Ana and pretty much everything here describes my neighborhood. We never lock our doors (horror!), our neighbors are friendly and we have made several friends due to the connection we have with our kids. I guess the difference is that our houses are all different and built between 1900 and 1960 and our park is large and rustic rather than small and new.</blockquote>


Park Santiago has 2 Victorians on Valencia built in 1886. Both are well preserved. At the corner of Santa Clara and French by the elementary school is a restored 1912 Craftsman built by a plantatation owner who worked with James Irvine senior from the late 1800s. This neighborhood was once a part of Floral Park until some Cal Tran genius planners decided to put a freeway through and isolated the 2 neighborhoods. This mostly single story neighborhood is a sharp contrast to newer communities with all 2 story homes.



Cal Pac was very sensitive and designed a single story in Northwood II Camelia. Socal 78 is attracted to this community because of the single story as well as the understated elegance of the community rec center inspired by the rustic structure found in Yosemite in the heart of this neighborhood.
 
[quote author="bkshopr" date=1228466857][quote author="tmare" date=1228466121][quote author="irvine_home_owner" date=1228465468]I guess it depends where you live.



Woodbury seems to be very community friendly... even when we were looking for homes there I would often see neighbors and the little parks within each section.



Where I currently live, the sidewalks are often used. I run into the same people walking the same dogs. I see the same parents walking their children to school. I see the same moms pushing their strollers, the same bikers and the same joggers. In at least two other streets there are cones out to warn drivers to slow down as groups of children are meandering about in the cul-de-sac.



I only know two of my neighbors but that's fine because we don't have anything in common. The friends we have are the friends we made in high school, college or thereafter. But if my neighbors need a favor or vice versa, everyone is willing to help.



I have inadvertently left my garage door open or my front door unlocked and when I come back, nothing is missing. I can walk the neighborhood at night. My kids can walk the neighborhood during the day.



For every story... there is a counter... it's all relative.



Irvine rules!</blockquote>


I live in North Santa Ana and pretty much everything here describes my neighborhood. We never lock our doors (horror!), our neighbors are friendly and we have made several friends due to the connection we have with our kids. I guess the difference is that our houses are all different and built between 1900 and 1960 and our park is large and rustic rather than small and new.</blockquote>


Park Santiago has 2 Victorians on Valencia built in 1886. Both are well preserved. At the corner of Santa Clara and French by the elementary school is a restored 1912 Craftsman built by a plantatation owner who worked with James Irvine senior from the late 1800s. This neighborhood was once a part of Floral Park until some Cal Tran genius planners decided to put a freeway through and isolated the 2 neighborhoods. This mostly single story neighborhood is a sharp contrast to newer communities with all 2 story homes.



Cal Pac was very sensitive and designed a single story in Northwood II Camelia. Socal 78 is attracted to this community because of the single story as well as the understated elegance of the community rec center inspired by the rustic structure found in Yosemite in the heart of this neighborhood.</blockquote>


I guess BK knows my neighborhood better than I do! I stand corrected that the homes were built between 1886 and around 1960. Either way, it's a great neighborhood! Our good friends live in one of the two Victorians on Valencia, the lot size is about 25,000 square feet, you can't get that in Irvine!
 
[quote author="tmare" date=1228467976][quote author="bkshopr" date=1228466857][quote author="tmare" date=1228466121][quote author="irvine_home_owner" date=1228465468]I guess it depends where you live.



Woodbury seems to be very community friendly... even when we were looking for homes there I would often see neighbors and the little parks within each section.



Where I currently live, the sidewalks are often used. I run into the same people walking the same dogs. I see the same parents walking their children to school. I see the same moms pushing their strollers, the same bikers and the same joggers. In at least two other streets there are cones out to warn drivers to slow down as groups of children are meandering about in the cul-de-sac.



I only know two of my neighbors but that's fine because we don't have anything in common. The friends we have are the friends we made in high school, college or thereafter. But if my neighbors need a favor or vice versa, everyone is willing to help.



I have inadvertently left my garage door open or my front door unlocked and when I come back, nothing is missing. I can walk the neighborhood at night. My kids can walk the neighborhood during the day.



For every story... there is a counter... it's all relative.



Irvine rules!</blockquote>


I live in North Santa Ana and pretty much everything here describes my neighborhood. We never lock our doors (horror!), our neighbors are friendly and we have made several friends due to the connection we have with our kids. I guess the difference is that our houses are all different and built between 1900 and 1960 and our park is large and rustic rather than small and new.</blockquote>


Park Santiago has 2 Victorians on Valencia built in 1886. Both are well preserved. At the corner of Santa Clara and French by the elementary school is a restored 1912 Craftsman built by a plantatation owner who worked with James Irvine senior from the late 1800s. This neighborhood was once a part of Floral Park until some Cal Tran genius planners decided to put a freeway through and isolated the 2 neighborhoods. This mostly single story neighborhood is a sharp contrast to newer communities with all 2 story homes.



Cal Pac was very sensitive and designed a single story in Northwood II Camelia. Socal 78 is attracted to this community because of the single story as well as the understated elegance of the community rec center inspired by the rustic structure found in Yosemite in the heart of this neighborhood.</blockquote>


I guess BK knows my neighborhood better than I do! I stand corrected that the homes were built between 1886 and around 1960. Either way, it's a great neighborhood! Our good friends live in one of the two Victorians on Valencia, the lot size is about 25,000 square feet, you can't get that in Irvine!</blockquote>


One Victorian has a rear house with a third story attic and a rose garden pool to the side. It was once owned by Doug Thompson the controller of the Fieldstone Company in the mid 80's. The adjacent Victorian is much modest in size. Which one does your friend own?



I know of several hundred of significant homes in OC and the legacy behind each one. Even in Irvine there is one significant homes with a legacy. Any guess?
 
bk- Our friends live in the home next door to the one you are talking about. They have a beautiful garden and they have lived there over 40 years (They are in their 80's)
 
[quote author="tmare" date=1228469174]bk- Our friends live in the home next door to the one you are talking about. They have a beautiful garden and they have lived there over 40 years (They are in their 80's)</blockquote>


This is what I called legacy neighborhood when owners wanted to grow old in the same house and let their story be told to the younger younger generation like you. I bet they can go on and on talking about their home. Homes should not be treated like cars that get traded every few years. People moved because they grew dissatisfied with their home or they settled for something that was not right for them to begin with: house size, lot size and Nazi HOA. This is the reason why realtors like IR2 is making tons of money selling the same house to different families.
 
[quote author="bkshopr" date=1228469859][quote author="tmare" date=1228469174]bk- Our friends live in the home next door to the one you are talking about. They have a beautiful garden and they have lived there over 40 years (They are in their 80's)</blockquote>


This is what I called legacy neighborhood when owners wanted to grow old in the same house and let their story be told to the younger younger generation like you. I bet they can go on and on talking about their home. Homes should not be treated like cars that get traded every few years. People moved because they grew dissatisfied with their home or they settled for something that was not right for them to begin with: house size, lot size and Nazi HOA. This is the reason why realtors like IR2 is making tons of money selling the same house to different families.</blockquote>


They raised 9 children in the house. It amazes me that they still do all of their own gardening. The house is filled with pictures and memories of Santa Ana. We visit them with our kids as often as we can and they've become 2nd grandparents.
 
[quote author="NewToOC" date=1228463961]Panda's avatar makes me giggle because you know he Google image searched "hot Asian guy" to find it. Hahaha</blockquote>


OMG!,



How did you know that i google image searched "Hot Korean Guy" to find my avitar? Did you somehow put a spyware in my computer? My wife told me the other day, how come you can't look like that in real life.



Panda scratching his head ~~
 
[quote author="tmare" date=1228470202][quote author="bkshopr" date=1228469859][quote author="tmare" date=1228469174]bk- Our friends live in the home next door to the one you are talking about. They have a beautiful garden and they have lived there over 40 years (They are in their 80's)</blockquote>


This is what I called legacy neighborhood when owners wanted to grow old in the same house and let their story be told to the younger younger generation like you. I bet they can go on and on talking about their home. Homes should not be treated like cars that get traded every few years. People moved because they grew dissatisfied with their home or they settled for something that was not right for them to begin with: house size, lot size and Nazi HOA. This is the reason why Realtor like IR2 is making tons of money selling the same house to different families.</blockquote>


They raised 9 children in the house. It amazes me that they still do all of their own gardening. The house is filled with pictures and memories of Santa Ana. We visit them with our kids as often as we can and they've become 2nd grandparents.</blockquote>


Why do stories like this do not exist Irvine? Do people shape neighborhoods or neighborhoods shape people? This social psychology fascinates me.
 
[quote author="PANDA" date=1228470566][quote author="NewToOC" date=1228463961]Panda's avatar makes me giggle because you know he Google image searched "hot Asian guy" to find it. Hahaha</blockquote>


OMG!,



How did you know that i google image searched "Hot Korean Guy" to find my avitar? Did you somehow put a spyware in my computer? My wife told me the other day, how come you can't look like that in real life.



Panda scratching his head ~~</blockquote>


You are becoming the Asian10magnet.
 
[quote author="bkshopr" date=1228463956]Irvine is a city planned following a set of well designed templates and grew by repetition of successful formulated homes so in keeping with its motto I am going to honor the spirit of Irvine by recycling my old posts from a year and a half ago.



The house that I lived in last was repeated in 6 different neighborhoods in Irvine. When I listed my home there were a total of 35 identical houses listed as well. It really hurt the comp when the buyers can use them as negotiation advantage.



Just in my neighborhood alone 40 homes shared the same plan. My relatives from LA could never remember the distinctive character of the street because there is no visual landmark. Every residential street in Irvine is 35? wide and a 6? of grass on both side and a 4? sidewalk. There are only 3 types of trees, California Pepper, Eucalyptus, and Olive. My relative knocked on the wrong beige houses on many occasions.



Every neighborhood is surrounded by perimeter walls like the Forbidden City. I rarely see people walk on the sidewalks or use the parks. The only people I saw there regularly were the maintenance crew having lunch.



I never saw my neighbors because they live behind their garage. They used their garage as a primary entry. The neighbors never saw each other because most living spaces of the homes were off the tiny backyard. 5 neighbors were contiguous to my rear yard and 3 were at the back and 2 on my sides. I knew their bathroom habit well because I could see the lighting frequency and timing. All my neighbor?s second floor windows viewed down to my yard so I never used it. They looked down on to my window so I kept the blinds closed most of the time.



Our front yards were small so no one bothered to spend time manicuring their front. There was definitely no social interaction on the street.



The street was very wide and several kids playing on the street were almost run over by speeding cars so parents never let their kids out playing on the street again.



I waved to a neighbor adjoining my rear sometime but I could never locate the front of his house which is accessed from a completely different street. The front architectural style and the back never matched so I could never figure it out. The back was plain and stripped while many fronts were trimmed like a Vegas hotel.



The only thing that I knew about my neighbors was the new Mercedes and BMWs they parked on the driveway. Once a year I do see them doing Christmas decorations. Everyone got the same decoration from Target that year.



I never made friends during the 18 years living in Irvine. The story has been the same for my co-workers as well.

The best things were my homes were never burglarized and my kids got good grades from school. I made more friends here at IHB than the 18 years living in Irvine.



Homes in Irvine were inspired by San Marino architecture except in SM the parcel of land is much bigger with a real functional yard. Curb appeal is a million times more attractive that the repetition of cookie cutter facades in Irvine. Homes in San Marino are not dominated by garages and driveways. Mature trees and real front yards are much more attractive.



I lived in several neighborhoods in Irvine since the late 80?s. I would have to say I never knew my neighbors and was never greeted by them. Many neighbors did not know each other also. I wonder if this is a social issue if the neighborhood when Irvine is so crime free there is not a need for neighbors to get know each other to form support group to defend the territory.



Or may be the behavior is driven by livable part of the homes never engage the street combining with never using the front door and the lack of front yard gardening. No one really saw each other. All my neighbors drive into the garage and directly access into the home and rolled down the garage door quickly. The streets are deserted and the width is way too wide and that encourage speeding therefore parent rarely allow their kids to play on the street and they play at the parks.



I see families at the parks but they are from other neighborhoods. I talked to them and never see them again for another 6 months. I bought in Northpark 6 years ago and 80% of my neighbors sold their homes and moved up to a bigger house. I never saw them again. Pedestrians are rare in Irvine. All the sidewalks and beautiful parkways the Irvine Company incorporated into many communities rarely get utilized. Everyone drives to his or her destination. Pedestrians sometime are stopped by the Police on Culver and the Jeffrey Open space hobo managed to exercise his civil right in avoiding the slammer.



Most home buyers consider their home as an investment and transitory home. Homes are treated as a business transaction. None of these homes will ever become Grandma?s house where 3 generations would gather home for the Holidays. No one stays in their homes for a long period of time. Neighbors come and go and rarely stay in touch. The culture in Irvine is really about keeping up with the Joneses, Wongs or Chos. "I want you to be envious of what I have" I wonder if the environment is harvesting this type of thinking.



Pelican Hills, Crystal Cove, Ocean Ridge, and Shady Canyon are even worse for neighbor interaction. The only interactions I hear from them are bickering. "Your tree is blocking my view" and "I am envious of you because you got away with your detached casita having a second kitchen".



All in all for different folks there are different strokes. Irvine is a perfect textbook city cased studied by Ivy League school scholars. I lived there for many years and I felt much ?liberated? after moved away. Irvine for many is a perfect place with numerous positive attributes. The perfection was what attracted me there in the first place for secured investment shelter and good schools. As I grew older I have gained appreciation for legacy neighborhoods that evolved over a long period of time. Houses along the same street were built 6 decades apart with various home additions that tell a story of several generations. Trees were allowed to canopy over the street and homes with sizable yards to accommodate avocado and citrus trees. Adding a white picket fence would not result a warning from the HOA. No two homes are alike and there are as many homes with plaster and wood sidings. Most importantly, there are old men and old ladies walking on the sidewalk as well as young mothers with strollers and none seemed to harvest the stuck up attitude that I experienced the last 18 years living in Irvine.</blockquote>


BK, Thanks a lot for making that post. You seem to be one awesome, genuine guy. I can't believe you lived in Irvine for 18 years and did not make any new friends. I would be hesitant in my decision to moving there if that was truly the case. I got a chance to meet one guy in person from the IHB and he is super successful, but seems to be really humble about it at the same time. I hear ya, I hate trying to keep up with 'Kims' or the 'Wangs' and trying to impress other stuck up, snobby, materialistic Asians who don't even like me. I never really had any problems trying to keep up with the 'Smith'. I believe that the IHB will become a new social network that will allow people to connect and make new friends who live in Irvine and OC. Hope to make "down to earth" friends like you once i move out there. Thanks again for your insightful post.



Panda
 
Panda,



When you are in the neighborhood just look me up. I am often seen wandering up and down the Jeffrey open space. If I am not there then I must be taking a nap over at the roofed bus shelter. On Sunday morning I have been the first one digging through the Goodwill donation piles looking for Pradas by the Carpool parking lot. Even me an Irvine hobo need to defined my status by having the right accessories. (Bk stealing the wireless internet sitting outside of Northpark Starbuck patio pretending to be a customer holding a cup other customers threw away)
 
[quote author="bkshopr" date=1228468981]

I know of several hundred of significant homes in OC and the legacy behind each one. Even in Irvine there is one significant home with a legacy. Any guess?</blockquote>


13042 Old Myford Rd.
 
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