Who is waiting for Orchard Hills?
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yeah i dont think that really qualifies as a covered playground. unless your kid stays in spot under the canopy they will be getting the hot sun.
Doesn't seem like the shade is helping much. SG needs a total covered park with artificial light.. more FCBs would show their faces.
It helps a lot. The covering also prevents the play equipment from becoming super hot throughout the day.
I guess there are no FCBs in PP. Seriously, apparently it would kill people to say something good about SG.
I would say something good.. if there were anything good to say about it.
Obviously I don't, but I do know that it helps a lot during days when the temperature is fine but there is a bright sun.
Yeah...SG is terrible. PP is Eden.
SG is 1 minute closer to Woodbury Town Center then PP!
Yes...that's fits the bill. I don't understand the animosity that PP residents have against SG. I just don't.
I guess no one brought their kids to this park? They don't call it Sweet Shade for nothing
I believe it was you who was taking the broad brush and saying "Stonegate demonstrates that *the people* prefer this or that". I was specifically talking about having to pay $1m for a home (which most of the new SFRs in Irvine are moving towards) and having to compromise on lot size if you go with TIC (not just Stonegate like you keep touting).
You claim that you weren't really referring to $1m+ but you did reply to me which started this back and forth between us, I present Exhibit A:
And now Exhibit B:
So to be clear, if you are paying $1m+ you should have a big lot, but if you are paying less than that, you shouldn't have a choice?
Also... you are rolling location/proximity into lot size. We all agree that location/proximity is important but don't use that as a reason to "prove" that lot size is not as important because *you* don't think it is.
I'm absolutely sure that if people can choose the same location/proximity and price but have a bigger lot, they would choose the bigger lot. How do we know that? Look at the pricing premiums for homes in the same area (like Stonegate). If TIC priced a bigger lot the same, which one do you think would get chosen first?
So if TIC offered to give you a bigger yard for free, you would turn it down?
Opening weekend crowds are horrible... Mandarin, Cantonese and cash being thrown all over the place.
But where did I ever same that having a bigger lot was bad? The question isn't whether some particular benefit is valuable, it's how valuable that benefit is to the buyer. When you buy at the higher end of the spectrum, you have to compromise less. When you start moving down the price range, you start giving benefits until you hit a balance of price and benefits to your liking.
There is no inherent benefit with going to TIC...it has to do with location and setup. PP benefits from being in Irvine and IUSD as compared to BR. IMO, the two higher end properties on BR has excellent interior layout and ample yard space but I would buy at PP for the same price even if it means I get a slightly smaller house and yard.
I don't quite get your point or comparison. The "all other things equal" discussion makes no sense because all things aren't equal. There are portions of Saratoga has have more space and driveways but are going to cost you $50K more. If I could afford it, I probably would buy those but since I can't afford them, I just have to settle for the house I have.
Problem is that PP is pretty devoid of trees...at least it was when I went there about a few months back.
qwerty
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Irvinecommuter said:qwerty said:Irvinecommuter said:OpenSky said:irvinehomeowner said:Seems like IC would rather pay a premium for not having crap they don't like even though others value the idea of it.OpenSky said:
Much of TICs product is hyped up this way. The headline/main images are trails with folks jogging on them used by 10% of the residents (or at IAC, clubhouses at apartments used by 5% of the residents). 5P is no different - Orange Bicycle as a symbol of the community, yet every PP booster on here talks about how they drive everywhere.
The ideal rarely lines up with the reality. Hell, I face that every time I look in the mirror :-\
One of the things I didn't like about PP was that the playground area was not covered. That makes the playground pretty unusable during hot days...especially in an open area like PP.
who has covered playgrounds?
Stonegate does.
yeah i dont think that really qualifies as a covered playground. unless your kid stays in spot under the canopy they will be getting the hot sun.
J
jmoney74
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Irvinecommuter said:qwerty said:Irvinecommuter said:OpenSky said:irvinehomeowner said:Seems like IC would rather pay a premium for not having crap they don't like even though others value the idea of it.OpenSky said:
Much of TICs product is hyped up this way. The headline/main images are trails with folks jogging on them used by 10% of the residents (or at IAC, clubhouses at apartments used by 5% of the residents). 5P is no different - Orange Bicycle as a symbol of the community, yet every PP booster on here talks about how they drive everywhere.
The ideal rarely lines up with the reality. Hell, I face that every time I look in the mirror :-\
One of the things I didn't like about PP was that the playground area was not covered. That makes the playground pretty unusable during hot days...especially in an open area like PP.
who has covered playgrounds?
Stonegate does.
Doesn't seem like the shade is helping much. SG needs a total covered park with artificial light.. more FCBs would show their faces.
Irvinecommuter
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qwerty said:Irvinecommuter said:qwerty said:Irvinecommuter said:OpenSky said:irvinehomeowner said:Seems like IC would rather pay a premium for not having crap they don't like even though others value the idea of it.OpenSky said:
Much of TICs product is hyped up this way. The headline/main images are trails with folks jogging on them used by 10% of the residents (or at IAC, clubhouses at apartments used by 5% of the residents). 5P is no different - Orange Bicycle as a symbol of the community, yet every PP booster on here talks about how they drive everywhere.
The ideal rarely lines up with the reality. Hell, I face that every time I look in the mirror :-\
One of the things I didn't like about PP was that the playground area was not covered. That makes the playground pretty unusable during hot days...especially in an open area like PP.
who has covered playgrounds?
Stonegate does.
yeah i dont think that really qualifies as a covered playground. unless your kid stays in spot under the canopy they will be getting the hot sun.
It helps a lot. The covering also prevents the play equipment from becoming super hot throughout the day.
Irvinecommuter
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I guess there are no FCBs in PP. Seriously, apparently it would kill people to say something good about SG.
J
jmoney74
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IC goes out on sunny days to test this out.. so he knows!
J
jmoney74
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Irvinecommuter said:
I would say something good.. if there were anything good to say about it.
Irvinecommuter
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jmoney74 said:
Obviously I don't, but I do know that it helps a lot during days when the temperature is fine but there is a bright sun.
Irvinecommuter
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jmoney74 said:
Yeah...SG is terrible. PP is Eden.
homer_simpson
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Irvinecommuter said:
SG is 1 minute closer to Woodbury Town Center then PP!
Irvinecommuter
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Homie said:
Yes...that's fits the bill. I don't understand the animosity that PP residents have against SG. I just don't.
iacrenter
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qwerty said:Irvinecommuter said:OpenSky said:irvinehomeowner said:Seems like IC would rather pay a premium for not having crap they don't like even though others value the idea of it.OpenSky said:
Much of TICs product is hyped up this way. The headline/main images are trails with folks jogging on them used by 10% of the residents (or at IAC, clubhouses at apartments used by 5% of the residents). 5P is no different - Orange Bicycle as a symbol of the community, yet every PP booster on here talks about how they drive everywhere.
The ideal rarely lines up with the reality. Hell, I face that every time I look in the mirror :-\
One of the things I didn't like about PP was that the playground area was not covered. That makes the playground pretty unusable during hot days...especially in an open area like PP.
who has covered playgrounds?
I guess no one brought their kids to this park? They don't call it Sweet Shade for nothing
irvinehomeowner
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Hold up Counsel.Irvinecommuter said:irvinehomeowner said:Seems like IC would rather pay a premium for not having crap they don't like even though others value the idea of it.OpenSky said:
No...people have different things that they value. Obviously, the optimal choice is not have to prioritize but general that's not an option unless you have a super high budget. The premium doesn't come from the the things not on the property but rather what the property does have.
As I posted in the BR thread, Ridgewood is not selling despite having a driveway, slightly bigger living space, bigger yard, and slightly cheaper than a plan like Saratoga. People have chosen to have location and school over those other benefits.
I really don't understand why this is such a difficult concept to grasp.
I believe it was you who was taking the broad brush and saying "Stonegate demonstrates that *the people* prefer this or that". I was specifically talking about having to pay $1m for a home (which most of the new SFRs in Irvine are moving towards) and having to compromise on lot size if you go with TIC (not just Stonegate like you keep touting).
You claim that you weren't really referring to $1m+ but you did reply to me which started this back and forth between us, I present Exhibit A:
Irvinecommuter said:
And now Exhibit B:
Irvinecommuter said:
So to be clear, if you are paying $1m+ you should have a big lot, but if you are paying less than that, you shouldn't have a choice?
Also... you are rolling location/proximity into lot size. We all agree that location/proximity is important but don't use that as a reason to "prove" that lot size is not as important because *you* don't think it is.
I'm absolutely sure that if people can choose the same location/proximity and price but have a bigger lot, they would choose the bigger lot. How do we know that? Look at the pricing premiums for homes in the same area (like Stonegate). If TIC priced a bigger lot the same, which one do you think would get chosen first?
So if TIC offered to give you a bigger yard for free, you would turn it down?
irvinehomeowner
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BTW:
Many of the existing parks in Irvine have started retrofitting those shades, so although PP doesn't have it now, doesn't mean they can't add it later.
Kids are so spoiled nowadays... when we wanted shade we had to go find a tree.
Many of the existing parks in Irvine have started retrofitting those shades, so although PP doesn't have it now, doesn't mean they can't add it later.
Kids are so spoiled nowadays... when we wanted shade we had to go find a tree.
J
jmoney74
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We digressed from OH to SG.. let's go back to OH. Who is going there first day of grand opening? My wife wants to check it out.. but I still have bad memories of PP first day. I might wait a week or so.
irvinehomeowner
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You should wait.jmoney74 said:
Opening weekend crowds are horrible... Mandarin, Cantonese and cash being thrown all over the place.
Irvinecommuter
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irvinehomeowner said:Hold up Counsel.Irvinecommuter said:irvinehomeowner said:Seems like IC would rather pay a premium for not having crap they don't like even though others value the idea of it.OpenSky said:
No...people have different things that they value. Obviously, the optimal choice is not have to prioritize but general that's not an option unless you have a super high budget. The premium doesn't come from the the things not on the property but rather what the property does have.
As I posted in the BR thread, Ridgewood is not selling despite having a driveway, slightly bigger living space, bigger yard, and slightly cheaper than a plan like Saratoga. People have chosen to have location and school over those other benefits.
I really don't understand why this is such a difficult concept to grasp.
I believe it was you who was taking the broad brush and saying "Stonegate demonstrates that *the people* prefer this or that". I was specifically talking about having to pay $1m for a home (which most of the new SFRs in Irvine are moving towards) and having to compromise on lot size if you go with TIC (not just Stonegate like you keep touting).
You claim that you weren't really referring to $1m+ but you did reply to me which started this back and forth between us, I present Exhibit A:
Irvinecommuter said:
And now Exhibit B:
Irvinecommuter said:
So to be clear, if you are paying $1m+ you should have a big lot, but if you are paying less than that, you shouldn't have a choice?
Also... you are rolling location/proximity into lot size. We all agree that location/proximity is important but don't use that as a reason to "prove" that lot size is not as important because *you* don't think it is.
I'm absolutely sure that if people can choose the same location/proximity and price but have a bigger lot, they would choose the bigger lot. How do we know that? Look at the pricing premiums for homes in the same area (like Stonegate). If TIC priced a bigger lot the same, which one do you think would get chosen first?
So if TIC offered to give you a bigger yard for free, you would turn it down?
But where did I ever same that having a bigger lot was bad? The question isn't whether some particular benefit is valuable, it's how valuable that benefit is to the buyer. When you buy at the higher end of the spectrum, you have to compromise less. When you start moving down the price range, you start giving benefits until you hit a balance of price and benefits to your liking.
There is no inherent benefit with going to TIC...it has to do with location and setup. PP benefits from being in Irvine and IUSD as compared to BR. IMO, the two higher end properties on BR has excellent interior layout and ample yard space but I would buy at PP for the same price even if it means I get a slightly smaller house and yard.
I don't quite get your point or comparison. The "all other things equal" discussion makes no sense because all things aren't equal. There are portions of Saratoga has have more space and driveways but are going to cost you $50K more. If I could afford it, I probably would buy those but since I can't afford them, I just have to settle for the house I have.
Irvinecommuter
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irvinehomeowner said:
Problem is that PP is pretty devoid of trees...at least it was when I went there about a few months back.