What's going into escrow - Irvine and maybe some Tustin too

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Ipoplaya,





Your table is very interesting and give real insight into the market..........can't wait to see the final selling prices of the properties......





good stuff.
 
<p>New escrow in VoC. Looks to be a 16-20% rollback from 2006 purchase price...</p>

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<p>Haze - The typical 17-contigency removal would have been up for Boone today I believe, so they didn't make it past the magic number. I think 47 Carriage actually fell out of escrow and went back in. They must have had a backup offer or resurrected the transaction. </p>

<p>It is quite common for places to fall out of escrow IMHO, especially in a declining market. Frankly, I am surprised that more of these transactions have not broken down. That is one of the reasons I started tracking, to see the quality of buyers and the buyers confidence... Some on the board have contended that 1 out of every 2-3 escrows break-down, but I'm sure not seeing any empirical evidence of that. Seems more around 20% or so are having problems, but then again the data sample is quite small and mortgage rates have declined over the period I started tracking making it easier for transactions to move forward.</p>
 
<p>Read somewhere (sorry, no link) that it's hard as the buyers all have to trade up for the chain of transactions to go though</p>

<p>ex. house 1 owner -> house 2 owner -> house 3 owner -> house 4 owner</p>

<p>so if just one of those people have their financing fail to go though, it messes up the whole chain, everyone has to start all over again.</p>

<p>Maybe that's it.</p>
 
<p>Maybe Anon, although I would expect many sellers to be shying away from contingent buyers that have a home to sell. Then again, there aren't that many buyers out there so people are probably taking what they can get...</p>

<p>I would think if they did take a contingent offer like that, the RE agents probably wouldn't flip the status to "backup offers accepted" until at least the contingency period had expired. Why lose the marketing time and potentially create a black mark for the property for a very contingent buyer? Even if there are very good reasons, having a property fall out of escrow once it's been indicated as such, is bad for the property.</p>
 
anyone know if



33 Triple Leaf in woodbury is short sale? price reduced to $1.35 million yesterday



36 Twiggs was just changed from "back up offer" to "pending sale" since yesterday, can someone tell if this is a short sale too? What is the difference between backup offier and pending sale on MLS?



Both homes are in woodbury's Julie's Balcony track.



52 Eclipes has been showing as "backup offer" for several weeks. short sale too??
 
<p>New escrow entrant, frankly quite surprising considering the list price... It would appear some sellers are accepting offers well below list:</p>

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<p>New escrow, one of the properties referred to on the blog:</p>

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Irvine 123



Backup is usually during the contingency period which is normally 17 days.



Pending sale is typically the period after contingencies have been removed and the home closes escrow.



Regards
 
<p>Hey hey, some more action in 602... Been quiet around here lately. That makes two in two days for IPOs home zip:</p>

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Are there more homes going into escrow this month than compared to last month, and the month before? How about compared to last year? Are the number of homes going into escrow trending up?
 
<p>I believe so awgee. While I didn't officially track back then, volume recently seems higher to me than anytime since August. Makes sense though as many people shut it down during the holidays and rates have more favorably over that time... Could be that also sellers are capitulating a bit on price finally.</p>
 
ipoplaya,





Are you keeping track of which ones are REOs and short sales? I just read San Diego's market is 50% REO by sales volume. That is a guaranteed formula for further price declines.
 
Just went searching for some numbers. According to Steve Thomas, a realtor, on Lansner's blog, January escrow openings in OC are up 18% from December, and down 37% from January of 2007.<p>


DataQuick shows Jan home sales down 39.6% from Jan of last year, and January is virtually guaranteed to be the 28th straight month where shoppers bought fewer home than a year ago.<p>
 
<p>The year over year numbers aren't material IMO. January 2007, people were still bubble buying. Now that reality has set in, I'm more concerned about whether or not existing mortgage rates can create buying volume. It seems to be, at least in some small degree...</p>

<p>IR - I don't know which are shorts and/or REOs. Some are obvious, but others are not. I would guess the population of homes I am searching is approximately 300-400 units. Don't you find one escrow per day surprisingly strong for such a population size? </p>
 
<p>Actually in January of 2007 the sales were 2400, or 12.9% below average of 2755. So, 1800 possible sales for 2008 sucks, and it would be 35% below the average. I don't have the stats right now, but I will bet that Q1 2008 home sales will be the worst on record, just like Q4 was. Considering there are more people and houses here now, those numbers really suck. Also, during the worst years of the job loss bust years, more homes sold than are now selling. Just some things to consider. </p>

<p>Oh... and IMO, one escrow a day, when 0 have closed, doesn't mean much either. </p>
 
<i>"The year over year numbers aren't material IMO."</i><p>


Yes Graph, but it seems ipop finds the material stat to be whether this months escrow openings are greater than last months openings. Is that correct ipop? Or am I misstating?
 
<em>"Don't you find one escrow per day surprisingly strong for such a population size? "</em>





Based on past history, no. Plus, the really important number is the closed sales not escrows. I would not be surprised if we get a short-lived spring bounce. San Diego had a small bounce last spring before the market rolled over and died. So far the lower interest rates have generated some interest, but I think these rates will also be short lived. Risk premiums and inflation premiums are starting to get priced into the market for mortgage backed securities. This will do nothing but drive rates up.
 
<p>Yes awgee. I'm really only looking at this from a post August credit crisis perspective. It's a foregone conclusion that sales volumes are way down and prices are down. My own darn house has probably dropped $75K since August, or almost 12% in six months. Sales as they relate to 2007, 2006, or past history don't really help me with my personal buying decision. I am concerned with the level of inventory, mortgage rates, current market pricing, and current transaction volume.</p>

<p>What I'm most curious about is a bounce in sales and what prices do if and when this happens. Nothing really does matter until closing, but as a general rule I do see more buying activity (via escrows) in my search parameters and much less price dropping. It would appear housingtracker data supports that conclusion as well. The 75th percentile hasn't moved much at all since year-end, while the 25th and 50th keep coming down... </p>
 
Okay... help me understand this... sales volume is down -35%+ below average, and lower than some of the worst of times in the 90s. Foreclosures are increasing at a faster rate than the 90s, and continue to increase at an even more rapid pace. Interest rates went down in 93, and the job declines stopped, but home sales increased, then only to see values go down and foreclosures increase. This wouldn't be because of people getting into low short term rates would it? This is what is known as a dead cat bounce. In the 90s the high end took a while to feel the effects, but they did, and what makes it different this time? Yet, there are more people living here, and there are more homes than in the 90s. But, there are less transactions for more people, more homes, not as awful job declines, more and increasing foreclosures, interest rates lower by 150 BPS than the lowest in the 90s, so... how the hell is it that more homes are going into escrow can be seen as a good sign?





Maybe... I need to put this into terms a CFO can understand...





You sell a product, that has a larger client base than it did 15 years ago. However, your transactions are below what they were then, and over 35% less than last year. You also have more competition, and more of the same product out there to chose from, and yet more and more is being added. You keep lowering your price, but less and less buyers are buying.





Your clients have the ability to finance their purchases, at a cost the same it was, when you had a record sales volume in 2003, and that sales volume was 135% higher than it is now, and it costs 15% less too. Yet, their cash flow is greater than in 2003.





Your accounts receivable is not paying their bills at a record pace YOY, at a 800% increase. And, month after month, quarter after quarter, it gets worse and worse.





You have the largest amount of inventory you have ever seen, and it keeps increasing. Pretty soon, some of your competitors are going to fail, and dump the inventory they have at fire sale prices. Which, will create a chain effect, and more and more will dump their inventory at lower and lower prices. And, still the transactions are less.





And, I am the nutter right? I mean, since you have started this thread, there has not been a single close of escrow, yet there has been about 10+ homes going back to the bank in the $700k loan amount range. If I include all of Irvine it looks worse. Really, seriously, truly, you need to read this, and analyze this post, because I am not the nutter here. You don't need to be a CFO to understand those numbers, you don't even need to understand basic algebra, all you need is common sense. The banks are closing on more transactions than people are closing on.
 
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