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irvinehomeowner said:
eyephone said:
What are you his Rudy? Because your not doing a good job defending him. In essence your continuing the conversation. I don?t mind actually.

irvinehomeowner said:
eyephone said:
Of course I have an issue with posts that try to change the narrative.

But the particular narrative here was how low mortgage rates are. Then someone said it could be affected by politics and SGIP chimed in that rates could be affected by anything.

I don't see how that was changing the narrative. Maybe it challenged what you feel politically but that's a separate issue.

Just like the midterm thread he complains about voting with no evidence of fraud. But when I call him out about it straight silence just like this thread.

Sure, but that happened there. Again, the focus of his post here was the whim of rates, not really politics. Maybe he used a bad example to illustrate what he was saying but you keep digressing from the intent (at least what I think the intent was).

Of course we can talk about the Dow.

Please.

Interesting words you are using... "defending"... does that mean you are "attacking"?

All I am saying is that to me, his post was about the whim of rates, sure he may have referenced something political but that he was just continuing on the theme that fortune11 had posted right before:

fortune11 said:
Fed speeches getting more dovish I will see what Powell says today

Maybe this is the wrong thread for this ? but just as smart people have locked in lower rates recently , if you are homebuyer for a primary residence ? you need to also be thinking ...

Think of this scenario ? fed turns dovish on rates ? trump calls ceasefire w Chiina ? pboc keeps cutting rates ? semi stocks stabilize ? s&p hits 15 percents from here ...

Not saying above happens but there is decent probability it does ? you will kick yourself for not having acted and being stuck in analysis paralysis when rates were low and you could have negotiated a great discounted deal for yourself

Again, maybe because you guys don't align politically shouldn't detract from the point of his post that rate fluctuation is very hard to predict based on politics.

Do you agree or disagree with that? And does that same principal apply to the Dow?

The intent? Don?t you see what they are doing? Trying to mislead people. Lies after lies or don?t give all the facts/spin the story to fit their message. Just like the middle tax break before the midterms that never happened. I?m sorry I?m going to call it out.
 
I am not a housing expert and I always defer to domain specialists like usc , sgip, cv, eyephone, iho , Mety, etc that have far more micro level color than I do - I attempt to learn from all of the comments they post

What I have a good sense for based on my own knowledge, job experience and how asset prices move , is the macro data and ?beta ? ... hence my calls re interest rates and equity markets , munis, and tresury bonds, junk bonds , which if you have been following me carefully ( and not blindly attacking like some of the maga crowd does) , you should have made decent returns

Now back on housing ? I have been following the beta rally in home builders and coupled with the super dovish fed which will give another much needed support to the economy , is indicating something re housing market that should not be ignored.  My sense is builders are now heavily motivated to cut prices and move inventory which should lead to a volume pickup which will more than offset the price drop to make up better earnings growth

Again, just saying it like it is . I don?t do calendar year or point in time forecasts as that is not a practically useful exercise from a personal finance perspective.
 
let's recap:

- trump calls out fed to stop raising rates

- fed raises rates anyway to spite trump

- market falls

- fed takes beating from everyone for stupid policy

- fed backs off on rates and aggressive outlook

- best january gains in decades

moral of the story?  trust your president, he knows what's best for you!

*cue forum experts poo pooing trump*

S&P 500 rises on strong earnings, closing out the best January since 1987

tocks rose to close out their best January in three decades as strong earnings and a Federal Reserve indicating it will pause rate hikes caused investors to rush back into the market following a vicious December sell-off.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/31/stock-market-investors-focus-on-fed-rate-decision.html
 
Kings said:
let's recap:

- trump calls out fed to stop raising rates

- fed raises rates anyway to spite trump

- market falls

- fed takes beating from everyone for stupid policy

- fed backs off on rates and aggressive outlook

- best january gains in decades

moral of the story?  trust your president, he knows what's best for you!

*cue forum experts poo pooing trump*

S&P 500 rises on strong earnings, closing out the best January since 1987

tocks rose to close out their best January in three decades as strong earnings and a Federal Reserve indicating it will pause rate hikes caused investors to rush back into the market following a vicious December sell-off.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/31/stock-market-investors-focus-on-fed-rate-decision.html

Geez...I have seen better logic coming from a cultist.
 
Irvinecommuter said:
Kings said:
let's recap:

- trump calls out fed to stop raising rates

- fed raises rates anyway to spite trump

- market falls

- fed takes beating from everyone for stupid policy

- fed backs off on rates and aggressive outlook

- best january gains in decades

moral of the story?  trust your president, he knows what's best for you!

*cue forum experts poo pooing trump*

S&P 500 rises on strong earnings, closing out the best January since 1987

tocks rose to close out their best January in three decades as strong earnings and a Federal Reserve indicating it will pause rate hikes caused investors to rush back into the market following a vicious December sell-off.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/31/stock-market-investors-focus-on-fed-rate-decision.html

Geez...I have seen better logic coming from a cultist.

right on cue  ;)
 
Another rational and objective thread polluted by MAGA-dud comments

Is there anything constructive or new to offer or just ?backsplaining? based on what happened and picking on individual people to make yourself feel useful ? 

 
fortune11 said:
Another rational and objective thread polluted by MAGA-dud comments

Is there anything constructive or new to offer or just ?backsplaining? based on what happened and picking on individual people to make yourself feel useful ?

this whole thread is "backsplaining".  i'm just pointing out the obvious for your entertainment  :) fed-induced recession is real and we got a taste of their cavalier style last month.  no more rate increases and the economy will be off like a rocket this year.  right or wrong?
 
Kings said:
fortune11 said:
Another rational and objective thread polluted by MAGA-dud comments

Is there anything constructive or new to offer or just ?backsplaining? based on what happened and picking on individual people to make yourself feel useful ?

this whole thread is "backsplaining".  i'm just pointing out the obvious for your entertainment  :) fed-induced recession is real and we got a taste of their cavalier style last month.  no more rate increases and the economy will be off like a rocket this year.  right or wrong?

On Monday, the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) released its annual, beginning of the year update to its economic and budgetary projections, and there?s not much in the report to comfort the Trump administration, or anyone else. CBO projects the economy will continue growing, but at a relatively slow pace, and the federal government will pile up debt at a rate that is well beyond the historical norm.

CBO expects the U.S. economy will grow, in real terms, at a rate of 2.3 percent in calendar year 2019, which would be down from the 3.1 percent growth rate of 2018. More troubling for the administration, CBO expects growth to slow down in 2020 to just 1.7 percent and to 1.6 percent in 2021, and to stay below 2 percent annually throughout the next decade. Between 1991 and 2008, the U.S. economy grew at an average annual rate of 3.1 percent. As growth slows, CBO expects the unemployment rate to rise, from 3.8 percent in 2018 to 4.4 percent in 2021.

Yup...Fed induced.
https://www.aei.org/publication/cbo-projects-modest-growth-and-wide-deficits/
 
Kings said:
fortune11 said:
Another rational and objective thread polluted by MAGA-dud comments

Is there anything constructive or new to offer or just ?backsplaining? based on what happened and picking on individual people to make yourself feel useful ?

this whole thread is "backsplaining".  i'm just pointing out the obvious for your entertainment  :) fed-induced recession is real and we got a taste of their cavalier style last month.  no more rate increases and the economy will be off like a rocket this year.  right or wrong?

Yeah , I guess you are one of those ppl who had blinders on and missed my call to sell equities in August and then buy them again on Christmas Eve . Wearing that MAGA hat too tight  can sometimes make vision difficult .
 
eyephone said:
irvinehomeowner said:
eyephone said:
What are you his Rudy? Because your not doing a good job defending him. In essence your continuing the conversation. I don?t mind actually.

irvinehomeowner said:
eyephone said:
Of course I have an issue with posts that try to change the narrative.

But the particular narrative here was how low mortgage rates are. Then someone said it could be affected by politics and SGIP chimed in that rates could be affected by anything.

I don't see how that was changing the narrative. Maybe it challenged what you feel politically but that's a separate issue.

Just like the midterm thread he complains about voting with no evidence of fraud. But when I call him out about it straight silence just like this thread.

Sure, but that happened there. Again, the focus of his post here was the whim of rates, not really politics. Maybe he used a bad example to illustrate what he was saying but you keep digressing from the intent (at least what I think the intent was).

Of course we can talk about the Dow.

Please.

Interesting words you are using... "defending"... does that mean you are "attacking"?

All I am saying is that to me, his post was about the whim of rates, sure he may have referenced something political but that he was just continuing on the theme that fortune11 had posted right before:

fortune11 said:
Fed speeches getting more dovish I will see what Powell says today

Maybe this is the wrong thread for this ? but just as smart people have locked in lower rates recently , if you are homebuyer for a primary residence ? you need to also be thinking ...

Think of this scenario ? fed turns dovish on rates ? trump calls ceasefire w Chiina ? pboc keeps cutting rates ? semi stocks stabilize ? s&p hits 15 percents from here ...

Not saying above happens but there is decent probability it does ? you will kick yourself for not having acted and being stuck in analysis paralysis when rates were low and you could have negotiated a great discounted deal for yourself

Again, maybe because you guys don't align politically shouldn't detract from the point of his post that rate fluctuation is very hard to predict based on politics.

Do you agree or disagree with that? And does that same principal apply to the Dow?

The intent? Don?t you see what they are doing? Trying to mislead people. Lies after lies or don?t give all the facts/spin the story to fit their message. Just like the middle tax break before the midterms that never happened. I?m sorry I?m going to call it out.

Again, I don't think that was the focal point of SGIP's post.

Let's get back to it... do you think interest rates... or the Dow... are strongly tied to morning announcements from the government? I do think there is some influence but it's usually short term and there are other factors that are more influential.
 
fortune11 said:
I am not a housing expert and I always defer to domain specialists like usc , sgip, cv, eyephone, iho , Mety, etc that have far more micro level color than I do - I attempt to learn from all of the comments they post

What I have a good sense for based on my own knowledge, job experience and how asset prices move , is the macro data and ?beta ? ... hence my calls re interest rates and equity markets , munis, and tresury bonds, junk bonds , which if you have been following me carefully ( and not blindly attacking like some of the maga crowd does) , you should have made decent returns

Now back on housing ? I have been following the beta rally in home builders and coupled with the super dovish fed which will give another much needed support to the economy , is indicating something re housing market that should not be ignored.  My sense is builders are now heavily motivated to cut prices and move inventory which should lead to a volume pickup which will more than offset the price drop to make up better earnings growth

Again, just saying it like it is . I don?t do calendar year or point in time forecasts as that is not a practically useful exercise from a personal finance perspective.

I'll provide a little info from what I've personally experienced.  In Sept-Nov, I had 5 buyers go "on hold" because rates were getting towards 5% and prices were falling.  Within the past few weeks, 4 of those buyers re-activated their home search and I got 2 of them into escrow.  When I asked them why they are back in the home search they said that the combo of lower rates and prices made them feel a lot more comfy.  That being said, we made initial offers of 5-8% below the listing price and negotiated higher.  Also, a few of the home builders told me that they've seen sales pick up a bit since the past few weeks too also because of the lower rates.
 
The recent posts timeline is again getting polluted w maga nonsense

I am unlikely to post as frequently here, but a few last tips -- I am booking some profits in SPY this week and next as targets are hit .  Don't chase this rally beyond 2750 ... keep the fixed income stuff though (junk bonds, muni etc). 
 
Posting this for many of you who care, haters can ignore ?

Remember my call not to chase this equity rally much beyond 2750.  And to stay in fixed income , especially intermediate treasuries (when they were 3 percent plus) high yield / junk and muni bonds.

The fixed income trade should have worked out fantastically well in terms of total return and income for those who did

But now while you can keep your munis etc , maybe time to lighten up on treasuries and move into 1y breakable CDs or a high yielding savings act

Only reason to hold treasuries now would be if recession probability is more than 50 percent - make your own judgement call there . Remember market is NOW pricing in Fed rate cuts !!!

As to stock indices, I was already out a little above 2750 , now I am waiting to see further evidence of a bottom in earnings before I decide to get back in . Until then , not touching the indices.
 
What happened to stamps.com? It?s down like $45 in one day. (I just read that?s ending it?s exclusive discount deal with USPS)

I don?t own it just curious.
 
This another chance to buy. The world was coming to end in q418, markets were down about 20%, four/five months later back at all time highs. Just keep buying S&P etfs and you will make easy money. 

Fed will never raise rates again. Mortgage rates will stay in current range for a long time, may even go down. If things start to get bleak with economic numbers fed may actually cut rates and markets will just go up.

The market is the only game in town if you want to make more than 2-3%.
 
Dude! Etrade savings account is now 2.1% beating out capital one moneymarket 360 by 0.1%!!!
I'm gone be rich!
 
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