please read the word carefully.Irvinecommuter said:yaliu07 said:we are NOT against the veteran cemetery. we just try to relocate to somewhere else.
So you are against it.



please read the word carefully.Irvinecommuter said:yaliu07 said:we are NOT against the veteran cemetery. we just try to relocate to somewhere else.
So you are against it.
SoCal said:So, fill me in. Why is having a veterans' cemetery such a big deal. HOW CLOSE IS TOO CLOSE? Sharing a fence with the homes? On the same street? Half a mile away? 5 miles away? In the same city? County? Portola Springs has homes built on top of Indian graves. There are absolutely, undoubtedly additional human remains under other Irvine & O.C. homes whether you realize it or not. Then, maybe it's not a distance issue but rather a time issue. If the person died last week, not okay. But if they died 300 years ago, now it's okay? At what arbitrary point does it suddenly go from "Not okay" to "OK"? Sounds kinda ridiculous to me.
Anyway, it's not like living next door to a crematorium. I imagine the veterans' cemetery would be done with pride and respect and probably a very peaceful, beautifully-maintained open space. But, hey, I'm not Asian, so...
yaliu07 said:please read the word carefully.Irvinecommuter said:yaliu07 said:we are NOT against the veteran cemetery. we just try to relocate to somewhere else.
So you are against it.we are NOT against the veteran cemetery. We are just try to relocate to somewhere else.
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You are against it.yaliu07 said:please read the word carefully.Irvinecommuter said:yaliu07 said:we are NOT against the veteran cemetery. we just try to relocate to somewhere else.
So you are against it.we are NOT against the veteran cemetery. We are just try to relocate to somewhere else.
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eyephone said:SoCal said:So, fill me in. Why is having a veterans' cemetery such a big deal. HOW CLOSE IS TOO CLOSE? Sharing a fence with the homes? On the same street? Half a mile away? 5 miles away? In the same city? County? Portola Springs has homes built on top of Indian graves. There are absolutely, undoubtedly additional human remains under other Irvine & O.C. homes whether you realize it or not. Then, maybe it's not a distance issue but rather a time issue. If the person died last week, not okay. But if they died 300 years ago, now it's okay? At what arbitrary point does it suddenly go from "Not okay" to "OK"? Sounds kinda ridiculous to me.
Anyway, it's not like living next door to a crematorium. I imagine the veterans' cemetery would be done with pride and respect and probably a very peaceful, beautifully-maintained open space. But, hey, I'm not Asian, so...
Just imagine hearing the 21 gun salute. Motorcade of cars by US agencies, news coverage, etc.
I'm just speculating.
Make perfect sense. I live in the nbd where they propose to have a cemetery built in walking distance so I am against it. If you claim you don't think it's a big deal then why not having it built right next to where you live? Need help reading plain English?Irvinecommuter said:yaliu07 said:we are NOT against the veteran cemetery. we just try to relocate to somewhere else.
So you are against it.
yaliu07 said:eyephone said:SoCal said:So, fill me in. Why is having a veterans' cemetery such a big deal. HOW CLOSE IS TOO CLOSE? Sharing a fence with the homes? On the same street? Half a mile away? 5 miles away? In the same city? County? Portola Springs has homes built on top of Indian graves. There are absolutely, undoubtedly additional human remains under other Irvine & O.C. homes whether you realize it or not. Then, maybe it's not a distance issue but rather a time issue. If the person died last week, not okay. But if they died 300 years ago, now it's okay? At what arbitrary point does it suddenly go from "Not okay" to "OK"? Sounds kinda ridiculous to me.
Anyway, it's not like living next door to a crematorium. I imagine the veterans' cemetery would be done with pride and respect and probably a very peaceful, beautifully-maintained open space. But, hey, I'm not Asian, so...
Just imagine hearing the 21 gun salute. Motorcade of cars by US agencies, news coverage, etc.
I'm just speculating.
that's a very good point. i should bring that up to city official.
Roger said:Make perfect sense. I live in the nbd where they propose to have a cemetery built in walking distance so I am against it. If you claim you don't think it's a big deal then why not having it built right next to where you live? Need help reading plain English?Irvinecommuter said:yaliu07 said:we are NOT against the veteran cemetery. we just try to relocate to somewhere else.
So you are against it.
yaliu07 said:eyephone said:SoCal said:So, fill me in. Why is having a veterans' cemetery such a big deal. HOW CLOSE IS TOO CLOSE? Sharing a fence with the homes? On the same street? Half a mile away? 5 miles away? In the same city? County? Portola Springs has homes built on top of Indian graves. There are absolutely, undoubtedly additional human remains under other Irvine & O.C. homes whether you realize it or not. Then, maybe it's not a distance issue but rather a time issue. If the person died last week, not okay. But if they died 300 years ago, now it's okay? At what arbitrary point does it suddenly go from "Not okay" to "OK"? Sounds kinda ridiculous to me.
Anyway, it's not like living next door to a crematorium. I imagine the veterans' cemetery would be done with pride and respect and probably a very peaceful, beautifully-maintained open space. But, hey, I'm not Asian, so...
Just imagine hearing the 21 gun salute. Motorcade of cars by US agencies, news coverage, etc.
I'm just speculating.
that's a very good point. i should bring that up to city official.
peppy said:yaliu07 said:eyephone said:SoCal said:So, fill me in. Why is having a veterans' cemetery such a big deal. HOW CLOSE IS TOO CLOSE? Sharing a fence with the homes? On the same street? Half a mile away? 5 miles away? In the same city? County? Portola Springs has homes built on top of Indian graves. There are absolutely, undoubtedly additional human remains under other Irvine & O.C. homes whether you realize it or not. Then, maybe it's not a distance issue but rather a time issue. If the person died last week, not okay. But if they died 300 years ago, now it's okay? At what arbitrary point does it suddenly go from "Not okay" to "OK"? Sounds kinda ridiculous to me.
Anyway, it's not like living next door to a crematorium. I imagine the veterans' cemetery would be done with pride and respect and probably a very peaceful, beautifully-maintained open space. But, hey, I'm not Asian, so...
Just imagine hearing the 21 gun salute. Motorcade of cars by US agencies, news coverage, etc.
I'm just speculating.
that's a very good point. i should bring that up to city official.
Westwood VA cemetery had the opposite problem. It was too loud OUTSIDE of the cemetery for people to peacefully reflect over the graves of our fallen soldiers. There was a proposal to build a soundwall to keep the 405 traffic noise out of it but that never materialized. Having lived in its proximity, and being a witness to the serenity such a place offers, I have a hard time understanding most of the complaints voiced over it; well, other than being the outcome of superstitious believes that will lower the property value for certain demographics.
yaliu07 said:please read the word carefully.Irvinecommuter said:yaliu07 said:we are NOT against the veteran cemetery. we just try to relocate to somewhere else.
So you are against it.we are NOT against the veteran cemetery. We are just try to relocate to somewhere else.
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Irvinecommuter said:peppy said:yaliu07 said:eyephone said:SoCal said:So, fill me in. Why is having a veterans' cemetery such a big deal. HOW CLOSE IS TOO CLOSE? Sharing a fence with the homes? On the same street? Half a mile away? 5 miles away? In the same city? County? Portola Springs has homes built on top of Indian graves. There are absolutely, undoubtedly additional human remains under other Irvine & O.C. homes whether you realize it or not. Then, maybe it's not a distance issue but rather a time issue. If the person died last week, not okay. But if they died 300 years ago, now it's okay? At what arbitrary point does it suddenly go from "Not okay" to "OK"? Sounds kinda ridiculous to me.
Anyway, it's not like living next door to a crematorium. I imagine the veterans' cemetery would be done with pride and respect and probably a very peaceful, beautifully-maintained open space. But, hey, I'm not Asian, so...
Just imagine hearing the 21 gun salute. Motorcade of cars by US agencies, news coverage, etc.
I'm just speculating.
that's a very good point. i should bring that up to city official.
Westwood VA cemetery had the opposite problem. It was too loud OUTSIDE of the cemetery for people to peacefully reflect over the graves of our fallen soldiers. There was a proposal to build a soundwall to keep the 405 traffic noise out of it but that never materialized. Having lived in its proximity, and being a witness to the serenity such a place offers, I have a hard time understanding most of the complaints voiced over it; well, other than being the outcome of superstitious believes that will lower the property value for certain demographics.
You basically set out the two major reasons for complaints.
I got your point. For my part I am just not thrilled by the fact it might hurt the future resale.Irvinecommuter said:Roger said:Make perfect sense. I live in the nbd where they propose to have a cemetery built in walking distance so I am against it. If you claim you don't think it's a big deal then why not having it built right next to where you live? Need help reading plain English?Irvinecommuter said:yaliu07 said:we are NOT against the veteran cemetery. we just try to relocate to somewhere else.
So you are against it.
No...it doesn't. If you are not against it, it doesn't matter where it is located. I mean if the proposed plan was a park...you wouldn't care it was located.
Why would I petition for it? I am apathetic about it. I wouldn't advocate for one nor would I really care if one was near me. Distance wise, I don't live that far away from it either.
I think we are ALL going back and forth regarding this plot of land. The fact of the matter is: this was never disclosed to the homeowners/potential buyers that they are building a national war cemetery. If they did disclose it - it's fair game. My response would be, too bad you didn't read the disclosure and could of walked away.peppy said:yaliu07 said:eyephone said:SoCal said:So, fill me in. Why is having a veterans' cemetery such a big deal. HOW CLOSE IS TOO CLOSE? Sharing a fence with the homes? On the same street? Half a mile away? 5 miles away? In the same city? County? Portola Springs has homes built on top of Indian graves. There are absolutely, undoubtedly additional human remains under other Irvine & O.C. homes whether you realize it or not. Then, maybe it's not a distance issue but rather a time issue. If the person died last week, not okay. But if they died 300 years ago, now it's okay? At what arbitrary point does it suddenly go from "Not okay" to "OK"? Sounds kinda ridiculous to me.
Anyway, it's not like living next door to a crematorium. I imagine the veterans' cemetery would be done with pride and respect and probably a very peaceful, beautifully-maintained open space. But, hey, I'm not Asian, so...
Just imagine hearing the 21 gun salute. Motorcade of cars by US agencies, news coverage, etc.
I'm just speculating.
that's a very good point. i should bring that up to city official.
Westwood VA cemetery had the opposite problem. It was too loud OUTSIDE of the cemetery for people to peacefully reflect over the graves of our fallen soldiers. There was a proposal to build a soundwall to keep the 405 traffic noise out of it but that never materialized. Having lived in its proximity, and being a witness to the serenity such a place offers, I have a hard time understanding most of the complaints voiced over it; well, other than being the outcome of superstitious believes that will lower the property value for certain demographics.
eyephone said:I think we are ALL going back and forth regarding this plot of land. The fact of the matter is: this was never disclosed to the homeowners/potential buyers that they are building a national war cemetery. If they did disclose it - it's fair game. My response would be, too bad you didn't read the disclosure and could of walked away.peppy said:yaliu07 said:eyephone said:SoCal said:So, fill me in. Why is having a veterans' cemetery such a big deal. HOW CLOSE IS TOO CLOSE? Sharing a fence with the homes? On the same street? Half a mile away? 5 miles away? In the same city? County? Portola Springs has homes built on top of Indian graves. There are absolutely, undoubtedly additional human remains under other Irvine & O.C. homes whether you realize it or not. Then, maybe it's not a distance issue but rather a time issue. If the person died last week, not okay. But if they died 300 years ago, now it's okay? At what arbitrary point does it suddenly go from "Not okay" to "OK"? Sounds kinda ridiculous to me.
Anyway, it's not like living next door to a crematorium. I imagine the veterans' cemetery would be done with pride and respect and probably a very peaceful, beautifully-maintained open space. But, hey, I'm not Asian, so...
Just imagine hearing the 21 gun salute. Motorcade of cars by US agencies, news coverage, etc.
I'm just speculating.
that's a very good point. i should bring that up to city official.
Westwood VA cemetery had the opposite problem. It was too loud OUTSIDE of the cemetery for people to peacefully reflect over the graves of our fallen soldiers. There was a proposal to build a soundwall to keep the 405 traffic noise out of it but that never materialized. Having lived in its proximity, and being a witness to the serenity such a place offers, I have a hard time understanding most of the complaints voiced over it; well, other than being the outcome of superstitious believes that will lower the property value for certain demographics.
So basically Yaliu has to "potentially" leave his house during the weekend to avoid hearing the cannons/rifles for the 21 gun solute ceremony. I assume not every funeral will have a 21 gun solute. (Who knows) Also, he has to deal with the stoppage of traffic around the cemetary for the motorcades. This also might be against Yaliu faith/beliefs to live by a cemetary.
Yaliu - please confirm if my points represent your opinion. If not, I can modify them.![]()
Irvinecommuter said:eyephone said:I think we are ALL going back and forth regarding this plot of land. The fact of the matter is: this was never disclosed to the homeowners/potential buyers that they are building a national war cemetery. If they did disclose it - it's fair game. My response would be, too bad you didn't read the disclosure and could of walked away.peppy said:yaliu07 said:eyephone said:SoCal said:So, fill me in. Why is having a veterans' cemetery such a big deal. HOW CLOSE IS TOO CLOSE? Sharing a fence with the homes? On the same street? Half a mile away? 5 miles away? In the same city? County? Portola Springs has homes built on top of Indian graves. There are absolutely, undoubtedly additional human remains under other Irvine & O.C. homes whether you realize it or not. Then, maybe it's not a distance issue but rather a time issue. If the person died last week, not okay. But if they died 300 years ago, now it's okay? At what arbitrary point does it suddenly go from "Not okay" to "OK"? Sounds kinda ridiculous to me.
Anyway, it's not like living next door to a crematorium. I imagine the veterans' cemetery would be done with pride and respect and probably a very peaceful, beautifully-maintained open space. But, hey, I'm not Asian, so...
Just imagine hearing the 21 gun salute. Motorcade of cars by US agencies, news coverage, etc.
I'm just speculating.
that's a very good point. i should bring that up to city official.
Westwood VA cemetery had the opposite problem. It was too loud OUTSIDE of the cemetery for people to peacefully reflect over the graves of our fallen soldiers. There was a proposal to build a soundwall to keep the 405 traffic noise out of it but that never materialized. Having lived in its proximity, and being a witness to the serenity such a place offers, I have a hard time understanding most of the complaints voiced over it; well, other than being the outcome of superstitious believes that will lower the property value for certain demographics.
So basically Yaliu has to "potentially" leave his house during the weekend to avoid hearing the cannons/rifles for the 21 gun solute ceremony. I assume not every funeral will have a 21 gun solute. (Who knows) Also, he has to deal with the stoppage of traffic around the cemetary for the motorcades. This also might be against Yaliu faith/beliefs to live by a cemetary.
Yaliu - please confirm if my points represent your opinion. If not, I can modify them.![]()
It's fair game now...don't forget, the Great Park was slated to be an airport before Irvine moved to get that plan nixed. You don't get to sue for use of land unless it's toxic or will somehow hurt you physically.
eyephone said:It's fair game now for the new buyers, but how about the people that bought during the phases that this was not disclosed?
irvinehomeowner said:I think they should relocate Disneyland... their nightly fireworks bothers me.
I'm not a real estate lawyer, but I don't think have to disclose anything if it's not environmentally impactful or an issue of safety.
Maybe the approach here is to say the bodies will leak chemicals into the soil or that if they turn into zombies the homes are in danger.![]()