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SoCal said:
irvinehomeowner said:
It may not be the safest or totally free of questionable influences, but given the parental involvement, there are differences that are measurable.
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It's funny you say that. I've never seen less parental involvement than when we were at IUSD schools (2 of them). Having lived in 3 different areas to compare, I notice Irvine mainly has double wage earners without the time to commit to classroom involvement. In the I.E. and here in south O.C., many families choose to make 1 parent a full-time, at-home parent who commits regularly to their child's activities. I noticed this sentiment was also expressed by the principal in one of our school newsletters. Go ahead and get all "micro" on me about how I must be "confused" because you want to be right, but I'm not going to argue the point which is that's just what myself and others have noticed. I'm sure there are cultural differences that matter like teaching the child to have respect for their teacher. The point about parental involvement is really just a laugh to me, though.
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I must be on the wrong school then :) Almost every mother volunteers everyday.. If I ever want to, I have to ask the teacher's permission because we don't want to crowd it up. (I don't volunteer at all, that's a different story.. I can't tolerate so many of them at one time. Kind of like alien invasion- they multiply!)

Parental involvement might also mean: taking children to Math/Language/ Music classes and front loading them so that the teacher has it easy in the class?
 
qwerty said:
IHO - yeah I knew IHS kid went to the local schools. I agree about providing a safe environment. But is sending your kids to Beckman in Tustin vs northwood in irvine really a safety concern?  Some irvinites think west irvine is the ghetto because the kids go to Beckman. Those are the people I'm really referring to.
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West Irvine IS ghetto, so is El Camino/ Walnut area. Something off about the houses, not the schools. Myford is as good as Peter's Canyon or Hicks Canyon.
Northwood Vs Beckman : there are a lot of issues there. I don't have a kid officially in high school yet, so don't quote me on that officially, but I heard mothers talk about better AP classes on the Irvine side -also, heard it's more academically oriented compared to Beckman.



 
SoCal said:
Now, now, now. Qwerty is hilarious, however, CZ is not snooty. She is too self-aware to be that wrapped up in it. A true Irvine elitist would not be able to recognize the humor in it. Besides, if she only wanted her family to associate with rich bitches from Irvine, she wouldn't be seen with unpretentious trailer trash like meeeee.

Btw, I'm guilty of it, too. I find myself correcting people when they say I live in Lake Forest. No, Sir! I live in Foothill Ranch, thankyouverymuch. You know, up in the hills. Because the word "Ranch" alone automatically added $100k to the price of the home.  :P Up here we are: cleaner, better, richer, and smarter than those flat-landers.

(Comments have been posted since I started this, which I have not yet read.)
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SoCal - I don't know CZ, for the most part she does seem like a pretty well grounded, successful and intelligent person but from some posts there is an element of snootiness - typically around education, which like I said is fine just own it. You know her personally so you can make your own decision.

With that said, i do find that there is some detachment from reality when Beckman is viewed as a second class citizen school which I don't understand.

My wife is snooty regarding certain things, she owns it. I tried to get her to buy a cheaper SUV than a MB/BMW and she would not have it. I on the other hand do not drive a luxury car.
 
qwerty said:
SoCal said:
Now, now, now. Qwerty is hilarious, however, CZ is not snooty. She is too self-aware to be that wrapped up in it. A true Irvine elitist would not be able to recognize the humor in it. Besides, if she only wanted her family to associate with rich bitches from Irvine, she wouldn't be seen with unpretentious trailer trash like meeeee.

Btw, I'm guilty of it, too. I find myself correcting people when they say I live in Lake Forest. No, Sir! I live in Foothill Ranch, thankyouverymuch. You know, up in the hills. Because the word "Ranch" alone automatically added $100k to the price of the home.  :P Up here we are: cleaner, better, richer, and smarter than those flat-landers.

(Comments have been posted since I started this, which I have not yet read.)
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SoCal - I don't know CZ, for the most part she does seem like a pretty well grounded, successful and intelligent person but from some posts there is an element of snootiness - typically around education, which like I said is fine just own it. You know her personally so you can make your own decision.

With that said, i do find that there is some detachment from reality when Beckman is viewed as a second class citizen school which I don't understand.

My wife is snooty regarding certain things, she owns it. I tried to get her to buy a cheaper SUV than a MB/BMW and she would not have it. I on the other hand do not drive a luxury car.
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To understand the difference between paranoid parenting and snooty parenting, you have to be a parent. I rest my case. Peace!
(You can call me a paranoid parent, I WILL own up to that)
 
Everyone has their right to be Snooty or not... Different strokes for different... err.. Who are we to judge how one lives their lives??

Why I live in Irvine??

1) Safety
2) Great schools across the board
3) Central location
4) Clean
5) My wife said so.
 
@SoCal:

Actually... I'm comparing the parental involvement of IUSD schools to where I went to school.

You could well be right that IE or South OC might be more than the schools you were in... but the days that I'm off and picking up my kids from *our* school... there are ton of parents waiting for theirs too. And at fund raisers or events where parents volunteer... usually more parents are there than needed.

Are you judging every IUSD school by what you experienced in the two you went to? Are you saying parent involvement in every school in SVUSD is like the school your kids are in now?
 
homer_simpson said:
Oh BTW, I'm snooty!  :D
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and narcissist too :P
Yesterday I saw this guy hold a medicine ball (or kettlebell, no clue, wasn't very clear) and jump up 3' on those step stools they at gym. Remembered you. Still working out?
 
Cubic Zirconia said:
West Irvine IS ghetto, so is El Camino/ Walnut area. Something off about the houses, not the schools.
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See, this is where my basis that CZ has elements of snootiness come from, and like I said, just own it. Don't tell me your not snooty and then make statements like this. The homes are just older. We lived in college park for four years, my wife also refererrd to it as the ghetto of irvine. I thought it was perfectly fine from a safety/living perspective.
 
qwerty said:
Cubic Zirconia said:
West Irvine IS ghetto, so is El Camino/ Walnut area. Something off about the houses, not the schools.
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See, this is where my basis that CZ has elements of snootiness come from, and like I said, just own it. Don't tell me your not snooty and then make statements like this. The homes are just older. We lived in college park for four years, my wife also refererrd to it as the ghetto of irvine. I thought it was perfectly fine from a safety/living perspective.
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LOL! OK, I call my own hood names too.. if you think that's snootiness, well may be I am snooty. (although I would say it's borderline discriminatory, not snooty)
West Irvine single family homes are the worst quality homes I have ever seen. There are old houses that you want to move into, fix up and live, and then are old houses.

ETA: West Irvine condos are in much better shape than the SFRs. I asked IHS why, he hasn't replied yet.
 
Cubic Zirconia said:
qwerty said:
Cubic Zirconia said:
West Irvine IS ghetto, so is El Camino/ Walnut area. Something off about the houses, not the schools.
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See, this is where my basis that CZ has elements of snootiness come from, and like I said, just own it. Don't tell me your not snooty and then make statements like this. The homes are just older. We lived in college park for four years, my wife also refererrd to it as the ghetto of irvine. I thought it was perfectly fine from a safety/living perspective.
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LOL! OK, I call my own hood names too.. if you think that's snootiness, well may be I am snooty. (although I would say it's borderline discriminatory, not snooty)
West Irvine single family homes are the worst quality homes I have ever seen. There are old houses that you want to move into, fix up and live, and then are old houses.

ETA: West Irvine condos are in much better shape than the SFRs. I asked IHS why, he hasn't replied yet.
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homer_simpson said:
Cubic Zirconia said:
qwerty said:
Cubic Zirconia said:
West Irvine IS ghetto, so is El Camino/ Walnut area. Something off about the houses, not the schools.
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See, this is where my basis that CZ has elements of snootiness come from, and like I said, just own it. Don't tell me your not snooty and then make statements like this. The homes are just older. We lived in college park for four years, my wife also refererrd to it as the ghetto of irvine. I thought it was perfectly fine from a safety/living perspective.
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LOL! OK, I call my own hood names too.. if you think that's snootiness, well may be I am snooty. (although I would say it's borderline discriminatory, not snooty)
West Irvine single family homes are the worst quality homes I have ever seen. There are old houses that you want to move into, fix up and live, and then are old houses.

ETA: West Irvine condos are in much better shape than the SFRs. I asked IHS why, he hasn't replied yet.
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Shush! I can't afford to anger USC.. who will help me buy a house, get people to fix it, and then help me with taxes..give excellent mortgage references..( and if I still have money help me out in picking a good car) You are playing naughty today- why? What did you drink? Is it the bad water quality around there?

ETA: My mortgage is lower than my kids' extra-curricular activity bill, thanks to USC's suggestion!
 
And IR2

USC and IR2 are good hard working people. How is telling them that they live in the ghetto not snooty? 

I'm friends with USC and he can afford much more but for his needs west irvine provided everything he needed from a housing perspective at a discount relative to other parts of irvine. He values free cash flow more than sending his future kids to northwood vs beckman
 
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