Timing is critical as IUSD moves forward with plans for fifth comprehensive high

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Tyler Durden said:
Folks will probably have to apply for these roles / or be assigned via lottery.  If they don't want them, they would have to post for a new one within IUSD when another role become available elsewhere.  If they left to go to TUSD or SVUSD, they might lose their years of tenure accumulated toward their pension.  Do you think those years toward their retirement would be worth giving up over the minute possibility of what they proposed above?

So in the end it comes down to putting their money where their mouth is.  If they don't want to work there, as assigned, they can take it up with their union reps and wait it out for a protracted legal battle while the position is back filled.  Meanwhile, they are not accruing years of service toward their pension and they are still getting older.

Or if the school is built in a safe place, this issue will not ever exist.  I don't see why any teacher would prefer Site A.  Again, it's just my personal opinion. I would love to discuss it with any teacher who picks site A over any other alternative.

Instead of creating a conflicting and potentially dangerous situation, why don't we do it right from the beginning?
 
adventurous said:
SoCal said:
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I'm referring to Bowerman landfill. Which landfill are you referring to? Note: There is only one landfill in Irvine. The map you linked does not show any different.

It's on the left, adjacent to the school. Check the attached file. It's highlighted.

Ok, when someone on TI speaks of "the landfill", they're usually referring to the 725 acre monstrosity that is the Bowerman (active) landfill - one of the largest landfills in California. Admittedly, I did not see this small area marked "landfill" on the map when I looked at it 3 times. My bad. Sorry my vision is not that good... maybe because it's only 4 acres in size.... miniscule by comparison to the Bowerman landfill. However, yes you're right, I would probably be more concerned about the contents of this than Bowerman. Bowerman does not allow paints, soil contaminants, etc. as has been dumped on El Toro.

Isn't this the same "Site 3" as mentioned on this site?: "El Toro's Contaminated Sites"https://sites.google.com/site/mcaseltoroveterans/el-toro-s-contaminated-sites

According to that site, it is 11 acres, though. And also on that site, there are FOUR landfills mentioned on El Toro. Considering the toxins have been known to spread 3 miles in that site, do I think Site B is "better"? Not really. I think they both suck. Where are the other 3 sites? I don't see them on the map in addition to all the other dumping grounds. If anybody was really concerned about going to school next to a capped landfill, then why would they live in The Great Park to begin with?? I just don't think it would resonate with them even though it may to you and me.



 
SoCal said:
According to that site, it is 11 acres, though. And also on that site, there are FOUR landfills mentioned on El Toro. Considering the toxins have been known to spread 3 miles in that site, do I think Site B is "better"? Not really. I think they both suck.
Site B is better. Not the best one obviously, but it's further away from the jail and from the landfill. I would love to consider sites C,D,E,...Z, but as of now I want IUSD to stop considering Site A (which should have never been considered in the first place).

SoCal said:
Where are the other 3 sites? I don't see them on the map in addition to all the other dumping grounds. If anybody was really concerned about going to school next to a capped landfill, then why would they live in The Great Park to begin with?? I just don't think it would resonate with them even though it may to you and me.
If it was anywhere in the new construction area, it would be clearly and publically disclosed. So far, I see no sign of any landfill or jail near by site B. In my view, it's a way better than site A. If tomorrow city/builder gives sites C,D,E, ...Z for consideration, I will be glad to consider those. So far, site A is absolutely inappropriate for the school.

However, the Board of Education pushes it very hard. I don't know why... or may be I don't want to know?
 
Fifth high school planning delays could cost millions

While Irvine Unified School District staff and board members evaluate and compare two sites proposed as locations for the district?s fifth comprehensive high school, they are aware that delaying the choice of where to build for even a few months could increase the project?s construction costs by millions of dollars.

The school district is battling the clock to open the planned high school by September 2016, by which time the district has projected enrollment will increase by over 7,000 students. For four hours at last week?s school board meeting, district staff and consultants provided information on the hidden costs associated with either delaying a decision on the school?s location or choosing one site over the other.

Their analysis: a premature choice could cost the district as much as $500,000 in lost application fees, a delay in decision could cost developers millions of dollars in construction expenses and jeopardize the amount of state reimbursement they receive, and a change in the planned location could render $2 million worth of designs useless.

LAST-MINUTE CHOICE

The school district has been planning its fifth comprehensive high school for six years and, in 2011, signed a mitigation agreement with the Irvine Co. and FivePoint Communities to finance construction and provide land for a new school, respectively. The agreement called for the school to be built on 40 acres sitting east of the Orange County Great Park (now known as Site A) unless another location of equal or better value was officially offered.

Since then, the district has designed the school with the assumption that it would be built at Site A. But that expectation proved premature when the Irvine City Council voted unanimously last month to offer 40 acres inside the western edge of the Great Park for sale to FivePoint for at least $60 million, to be considered by the district as a second proposed location for its fifth high school ? Site B.

The proposal sent the school district scrambling to expedite analysis of the second site. Not only was the district unsure of the pros and cons of Site B, but it did not fully understand the costs and impacts that would accompany delaying the school?s construction for a year ? a near certainty if the district opted to change its planned location.

What advantages did Site B offer? Could Site A designs be easily transferred to the second location? What were the monetary and programmatic costs of delay? And, most important, would moving the school opening back a year be worth the change in location?

Analysis of both sites is ongoing; a clear winner has yet to be chosen.

COSTS OF DELAY

Architectural approval: To close on the site and begin construction, the school district must have its school designs approved by the Division of the State Architect. The application is accompanied by a $762,000 check. If the district decides to submit an application for one location and then changes to another, it will lose $533,000 of that fee. The district has determined the latest it can submit the application without jeopardizing its opening date is in mid-November.

Energy efficiency code: California schools designed after 2013 must adhere to stricter energy efficiency standards. According to district staff, the code change would require the district to change its designs for how it plans to cool the fifth high school, and the new cooling system would cost an additional $10 million. This cost would likely be passed on to developers.

Rising construction costs: As the housing marking rebounds, costs for construction labor and materials are increasing, said Lloyd Linton, Irvine Unified?s director of construction services and facilities planning. Under current projections, if the district delayed the school?s construction for a year, that increase could add up to approximately $4.5 million. Again, these costs would likely be absorbed by developers.

Lost designs: The district reported it has spent $4.2 million in design and engineer fees to date. If the district opts to build at Site B, it estimates at least $2 million worth of site-specific designs would be made useless.

State reimbursement: Though FivePoint has given land for the high school and the Irvine Co. has agreed to finance the construction, both expect to receive state money the district gets to reimburse it for building a new school. But the current state bond that pays for a portion of school construction costs has run dry, and if Californians vote to pass a new bond measure in November 2014, it is unclear what reimbursement it would provide. School districts across the state are already applying for the funds the bond would provide, and the line could get long enough that the funds area already spoken for before the bond is passed.

UNCERTAINTY

Irvine City Councilman Larry Agran said he isn?t buying the notion that a few million dollars here or there should affect the board?s decision on the placement of a high school that could costs upwards of $260 million ? especially when many of those costs will be borne by developers.

?If Site A is better than site B, then choose it, but don?t rely on what are specious assertions of cost differentials,? said Agran, who has been a vocal opponent of Site A. ?Let?s err on the side of getting it right.?

The Irvine Co. and FivePoint Communities could not be reached for comment on the potential cost increases.

School board member Sharon Wallin said an understanding of the costs associated with a delay did little to help her determine which site was better.

?I feel like we?re in the middle of the game show ?Let?s Make a Deal?,? Wallin said. ?We know what Site A is. So do you take Site A or do you take what?s behind the door? Site B is behind the door right now. We just don?t know. I would like for us to open that door, really see what?s behind it, and be able to say, do you want to take Site A or Site B. But at this point, I don?t think it?s been unveiled.?
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/school-532303-district-site.html
 
They "battle the clock" since 2011. The 3 year outcome of "the battle" is a box of papers, which allegedly costs over $4M. I would like to see what independent auditors will say about every spending made so far.

2013 Energy efficiency standards are not a concern, since Irvine schools are built at higher standards anyway.

Site B was officially proposed in September. Yet, the Board members keep saying they know nothing about the site. How much time do they need to drive from Barranca to Marine Way? Not to mention, it's a blatant lie. The submitted EIR clearly states that the alternative location would likely result in similar impacts. How could they make such a statement without checking it first?
 
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