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morekaos said:
eyephone said:
Any thoughts on Cohen?s Essential consulting?  ;)

Follow the money!!

There is NOTHING criminal about any of those three payments.  All three readily admitted to the payments and gave reasons. All legal, this is just a lot of suggestive innuendo but no burger. Watch, there will be no criminal charges filed in relation to these 3 payments, or they would have already been filed by the Southern District.

I want to know more about the linked Russia guy that gave Money. That guy was sanctioned by the US recently.

 
Rudy is a sorry figure, a Renfield to Trumps Vlad the Impaler. He is asked direct questions and overspeaks because he wants to return to the spotlight. Everyone on Team MAGA should STFU and stay on a singular simple to understand point:

Hillary lost the election even though there was an array of opposition against the Republican candidate. The rooskie collusion story has been ginned up out of thin air - a demonstrable fact - and for the good of the country it's time to move on.

Never

Going

To

Happen

though with this bunch.

Honestly, if it was Jeb! or Mittens, and if they won, the same ROOOSKIEES narrative would have bubbled up from the losing side.

My .02c 
 
Question of the day:
Did the att payment to Cohen had any influence on the Net Neutrality ruling?


Soylent Green Is People said:
Cohen, like any "hanger on" in a new administration, is going to push around the pay to play access for personal benefit. Novartis published a great response about Cohen's deal being a bust, but they had to pay. I read it on Twitter, but don't have the time to link the story. 

Do I care that Cohen got money from them rooskies? Not really. When the full articles are read about these payments, most of them rooskies had contributed to Democratic candidates in prior elections. Wasn't much wailing and gnashing of teeth then, only open palms waiting for grease to be slathered.

To be clear - none of this is right, but also none of it is new.

My .02c
 
eyephone said:
morekaos said:
eyephone said:
Any thoughts on Cohen?s Essential consulting?  ;)

Follow the money!!

There is NOTHING criminal about any of those three payments.  All three readily admitted to the payments and gave reasons. All legal, this is just a lot of suggestive innuendo but no burger. Watch, there will be no criminal charges filed in relation to these 3 payments, or they would have already been filed by the Southern District.

I want to know more about the linked Russia guy that gave Money. That guy was sanctioned by the US recently.

So Viktor Vekselberg makes a bribe payment to Trump and his cohorts and a month later gets sanctioned by that same administration?  Well he got his moneys worth there. That's a bit harsh and doesn't make any sense.

Viktor Vekselberg, chairman of asset manager Renova Group, is an oligarch close to Vladimir Putin, and last month the Trump administration placed him on a list of sanctioned Russians for activities including election interference. The purpose of the payments, which predate the sanctions, and the nature of the business relationship between Vekselberg and Cohen is unclear.

https://www.local10.com/news/politics/muellers-team-questions-russian-oligarch-about-payments-to-cohen
 
On Net Neutrality, the question doesn't bubble up to the Cohen/Trump level.

NN was impacted by the FCC Chair - an Obama holdover, moved up by Trump to his present position, and by Congress who so far has not pushed through any legislation to counter what the FCC is doing. The States are also trying, but not getting very far. May want to see how many of those folks have campaign contributions from those pushing this.

My .02c
 
The ?Russian Collusion? Trial Is On, And Mueller May Be The First Casualty
Lawyers for Russian company Concord Management and Consulting, LLC, formally entered a ?not guilty? plea in federal court Monday in a case special counsel Robert Mueller probably never thought would happen.

Mueller generated headlines with the February indictment, safe in the knowledge the 13 Russians were beyond U.S. jurisdiction. Therefore, there would be no trial ? only sensational Russian collusion accusations.

Mueller may now have to try the case, and Concord?s lawyers have put the special counsel on notice. The Russian company?s lawyers intend to invoke ?discovery? to obtain U.S. intelligence about what they knew of Russian activities.

In starting Wednesday?s trial, Eric A. Dubelier, a Reed Smith law partner, entered a ?not guilty? plea in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia. He also repeated his client?s interest for a ?speedy trial.?

McCarthy called Mueller?s entire indictment an ?unforced error.?

?One thing you never want to do is to indict in a case that you?re not prepared to try,? McCarthy said.

Mueller tried to delay Wednesday?s hearing and floated a claim Concord had not been properly served notice.

?Until the Court has an opportunity to determine if Concord was properly served, it would be inadvisable to conduct an initial appearance and arraignment at which important rights will be communicated and a plea entertained,? Mueller?s lawyers filed in federal court.

But Concord opposed the motion. ?The Special Counsel is not entitled to special rules and is required like the Attorney General to follow the rules of the Court,? Dubelier stated in his response to Mueller.

U.S. District Court Judge Dabney Friedrich agreed with Concord and rejected Mueller?s request for a delay in the trial without comment, which led to Wednesday?s arraignment.

Concord wants a ?speedy trial? as provided by federal law, the company?s lawyers also repeated Wednesday. The case will resume July 9.
http://dailycaller.com/2018/05/09/russian-collusion-trial-robert-mueller-first-casualty/
 
morekaos said:
Donald Trump turned a rumor into a full-blown government conspiracy in just 5 days

https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/23/politics/donald-trump-spygate/index.html

...or I postulate that the headline could just as easily read...

The Government turned a rumor into a full-blown Trump conspiracy in just 2 Years

Punch..counter-punch.

pre-election
"we needed to insert an fbi informant into your campaign to protect you from russia collusion"

post-election
"we're need to investigate your campaign for russia collusion even though we had an fbi informant to protect you"
 
eyephone said:
Drum roll please. What does this mean?

?Michael Cohen Removes Trump Affiliation From Twitter And LinkedIn

Cohen signaled in an interview with ABC News Monday that his loyalties were shifting away from Trump in order to protect his family.

?My wife, my daughter and my son have my first loyalty and always will,? Cohen said. ?I put family and country first.?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5b3df987e4b07b827cbde927/amp

trump is going down! we got him this time!
 
Kings said:
eyephone said:
Drum roll please. What does this mean?

?Michael Cohen Removes Trump Affiliation From Twitter And LinkedIn

Cohen signaled in an interview with ABC News Monday that his loyalties were shifting away from Trump in order to protect his family.

?My wife, my daughter and my son have my first loyalty and always will,? Cohen said. ?I put family and country first.?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5b3df987e4b07b827cbde927/amp

trump is going down! we got him this time!


Findings that Russia meddled to help Trump beat Clinton were 'accurate and on point': Senate intel panel
https://www.google.com/amp/www.foxn...rate-and-on-point-senate-intel-panel.amp.html


 
Take the time, as I did, to read the 7 page summary by this Senate committee. Some findings:

1) This has been going on since the Carter administration! I'm sure dear reader that you can recall how this was a tipping point in Reagan's win over Carter and Mondale, Bush's victory over Dukakis, Clintons win over Bush and Dole, Bush II's win over Gore and Kerry, Obama's win over McCain and.... sheess... I've lost track. No, only this election did it matter. As we all know, Russian influencing of American opinions is as rampant as American influencing of Russian opinions. The pot is calling the kettle black.

B) The Senate could not quantify any shift in opinion one way or another. Clearly, that's some effective stuff the GRU deployed, eh Comrade?

III) Zero evidence of collusion. Hello.....Hello.... is this Mic on?

This remains still one giant nothingburger with a side of freedom fries to go with it.

My .02c
 
Soylent Green Is People said:
Take the time, as I did, to read the 7 page summary by this Senate committee. Some findings:

1) This has been going on since the Carter administration! I'm sure dear reader that you can recall how this was a tipping point in Reagan's win over Carter and Mondale, Bush's victory over Dukakis, Clintons win over Bush and Dole, Bush II's win over Gore and Kerry, Obama's win over McCain and.... sheess... I've lost track. No, only this election did it matter. As we all know, Russian influencing of American opinions is as rampant as American influencing of Russian opinions. The pot is calling the kettle black.

B) The Senate could not quantify any shift in opinion one way or another. Clearly, that's some effective stuff the GRU deployed, eh Comrade?

III) Zero evidence of collusion. Hello.....Hello.... is this Mic on?

This remains still one giant nothingburger with a side of freedom fries to go with it.

My .02c

We shall see when Cohen tell his side of his story.  ;)

 
I'm sure Cohen has plenty on Trump's non-Presidential Election stuff. The stuff he's got might make "The Godfather" look like an episode of "Mr. Rogers Neighborhood". For Trump, "It's not personal...it's business...." to quote another and in business, certainly New York business, it's conducted in a way that might not look all that on the level to most of us. Doesn't make it right, just what it is.

That said, this isn't the same as the Clinton Whitewater Impeachment Special Counsel. In that case, Willie lied under oath about a matter that a 3 judge panel OK'd the SC to investigate. Today, Muller has a blank check and the full force of the US Government to squeeze anything out that looks untoward. I'm confident there's plenty to find.... but that still isn't Russian Collusion.

If President Tourette's Syndrome answers a narrow set of questions about them thar ruskies, this thing will be all over by September. If SC Muller submits questions about porn start payoffs and bad business dealings, etc, I'd support firing the SC for not focusing on the real question - Was the 2016 election won through collusion with a foreign power?

We will see.

My .02c
 
Pruitt was a turd in need of a much earlier flushing. So long, and good riddance. 

His purpose was to be the "Bad Guy" and reform the EPA - something that has to be done, but instead of focusing on mission, he devolved into a petty thief and little more. When the EPA feels it's empowered to regulate how rainwater is to be handled on your property, that's a clear sign there needs to be reform. Pruitt was not that person to get the job done.

Hopefully they will put a steadier hand on the wheel over at EPA, someone who will take an axe to it's roots to get some real pruning done. .  Who would I pick? Perhaps someone from Ducks Unlimited - someone who knows how to manage a resource, not just wall it off. Wouldn't hurt to make nice with some of the better organizations like Surfrider etc while also muting some of the radical environmentalists. Alas, it looks as though another swamp dweller will be elevated and little will be done the way it needs to be.

My .02c
 
Soylent Green Is People said:
Take the time, as I did, to read the 7 page summary by this Senate committee. Some findings:

1) This has been going on since the Carter administration! I'm sure dear reader that you can recall how this was a tipping point in Reagan's win over Carter and Mondale, Bush's victory over Dukakis, Clintons win over Bush and Dole, Bush II's win over Gore and Kerry, Obama's win over McCain and.... sheess... I've lost track. No, only this election did it matter. As we all know, Russian influencing of American opinions is as rampant as American influencing of Russian opinions. The pot is calling the kettle black.

B) The Senate could not quantify any shift in opinion one way or another. Clearly, that's some effective stuff the GRU deployed, eh Comrade?

III) Zero evidence of collusion. Hello.....Hello.... is this Mic on?

This remains still one giant nothingburger with a side of freedom fries to go with it.

My .02c

Just wanted to post this in response
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...l-as-it-was-unfolding/?utm_term=.5d3505c592a6

and
https://fivethirtyeight.com/feature...ares-to-watergate-iran-contra-and-whitewater/
 
eyephone said:
What are your thoughts on Pruitt?

Wait , weren't people on this forum praising Scott Pruitt and offering to buy him lunch or something -- or did I dream that up 

Now because Trump has fired him, it is OK to start bashing him : )  After all , Trump can so no wrong ..

You should have asked people's views on that sexual abuser from Ohio , Jim Jordon, who Trump is still defending vocally.  Lets see how long that lasts. 
 
nosuchreality said:
I'd rather see a good spotlight shined on DeVos until the cockroaches crawl out in the open.

Yes , but in the meantime , we can thank that hopelessly biased liberal fake news mainstream (did i miss any other adjectives) media for shining a spotlight on this particular MAGA-roach, Scott Pruitt.  Wouldn't have happened otherwise ...
 
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