Straw Poll regarding gas milage. and possible Oil consumption Ideas

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<blockquote>U.S. Auto Sales Rate May Skid to Lowest Since 1983 (Update2)



By Greg Bensinger



Oct. 14 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. auto sales this month may fall to their lowest rate in at least 25 years as showroom traffic slows, particularly for General Motors Corp. after its employee pricing deal ended, a Deutsche Bank AG analyst said.



October's seasonally adjusted annual rate, or SAAR, will probably decline to 11 million vehicles, Rod Lache wrote in a note to clients today. That would be the first time the rate has gone below 12 million since April 1983, he said. The average SAAR in the first nine months of 2008 was 14.1 million, according to Bloomberg data.



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The Volt was considered a halo car - one that broke even or lost a little money. GM may never get a chance to sell one if this keeps up.
 
Snap, I totally forgot to ask you. You say IC/Electric Hybrid is the future. Like the Prius? Or the IC as insurance when the batteries run out? Or using the IC as a generator for the electric motor. And here's a very important question, AWD, RWD or FWD and what will run what?
 
<a href="http://www.popularmechanics.com/automotive/new_cars/4276559.html?page=1">10 cool Euro Cars with good MPG.</a>



perhaps we will see a Fiat 500 that gets 55mpg some time. I dont get the smart car. I see them they have themon CA roads but bad milage big time.



Its all about the HP.



americans dont want to go 0-60 in 12 sec Plus ever again.



Thats what the little fiat 500 does its 58hp. but the milage is great. and it did as well as the mini in crashes.
 
[quote author="GOTTI" date=1224045737] You say IC/Electric Hybrid is the future. Like the Prius? </blockquote>


Yes. If for no other reason, because the drivetrains are nearly bulletproof. Toyota dealers (for the most part) sell these cars and do not ever see them back for service.
 
[quote author="ventouxbob" date=1224046793]

Its all about the HP.



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It's not. It's about weight. Go check the curb weight of the Smart euro version vs the USA version.



It takes x ammount of horsepower to go 55 mph if you weight y.



If y goes up 30%.................you use 30% more power to go the same speed...............and y is higher on the American vs Euro versions because of the DOT stuff they strap on the car (airbags, door bars, crash bumpers, emissions).
 
I responded "25-30" - I get just under 30 mpg (usually 29.5) with my Passat 2.0T 6-speed manual. If I go the speed limit on the freeway, with no traffic, I can get 35-38 mpg. At about 80 mph cruise, I can get 33 mpg. It's really not bad for such a big car, though it's not too heavy for its size - about 3300 lbs. It also is reasonably quick (about 7 seconds to 60).
 
[quote author="no_vaseline" date=1224047978][quote author="ventouxbob" date=1224046793]

Its all about the HP.



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It's not. It's about weight. Go check the curb weight of the Smart euro version vs the USA version.



It takes x ammount of horsepower to go 55 mph if you weight y.



If y goes up 30%.................you use 30% more power to go the same speed...............and y is higher on the American vs Euro versions because of the DOT stuff they strap on the car (airbags, door bars, crash bumpers, emissions).</blockquote>


BMW good example.



UK bmw:



318- 143 hp- 3171lbs

335iM-306 hp-3392 lbs





USA BMW



1. the minimum HP is 230 HP on a 3 series??? why why not a 318 in the usa why not a 143 hp BMW?? at 3340 lbs??



328- 230hp weight 3340 lbs



335i- 300 hp 3815 hp.



ok the american car weighs a bit more 200-500 lbs but they come with 90 more hp minimum.



maybe you can look up the MINI.



they have a 90HP mini that gets great milage.
 
[quote author="Strom" date=1224048389]I responded "25-30" - I get just under 30 mpg (usually 29.5) with my Passat 2.0T 6-speed manual. If I go the speed limit on the freeway, with no traffic, I can get 35-38 mpg. At about 80 mph cruise, I can get 33 mpg. It's really not bad for such a big car, though it's not too heavy for its size - about 3300 lbs. It also is reasonably quick (about 7 seconds to 60).</blockquote>


is that your mini cooper then on the Avitar?? strom
 
Actually weight doesn't impact gas consumption at a given speed. It plays a huge role during acceleration since F = ma, but a car's drag at 55mph doesn't change just because you have 5 adults sitting inside. So keep the trunk clean of anything you don't need, like that cooler you take to the beach 4 times a year, or that set of golf clubs that are just there to impress your coworkers.

An engine's size is also a factor. In general bigger engines have to overcome more mass, more surface area, more friction and more valvetrain losses than smaller engines. Nissan really pushed the edge in reducing friction in some of their recent engines, so much so that reports of unreasonable oil consumption have spiked (relatively) for some models.
 
[quote author="Daedalus" date=1224062176]Actually weight doesn't impact gas consumption at a given speed. It plays a huge role during acceleration since F = ma, but a car's drag at 55mph doesn't change just because you have 5 adults sitting inside. So keep the trunk clean of anything you don't need, like that cooler you take to the beach 4 times a year, or that set of golf clubs that are just there to impress your coworkers.

An engine's size is also a factor. In general bigger engines have to overcome more mass, more surface area, more friction and more valvetrain losses than smaller engines. Nissan really pushed the edge in reducing friction in some of their recent engines, so much so that reports of unreasonable oil consumption have spiked (relatively) for some models.</blockquote>


Who in SoCal gets to drive 55 at a constant speed? That's why the american cars have more rip.
 
-cars in america need more power to Haul our Fat asses around.



aerodynamics matter more than weight. Wind Drag is not linear with increased speed but rather exponential.



College physics 101 man! E=1/2mv2



The reality is the europeans drive a hell of a lot faster than Americans do. especially on the highways.



Also they get the hell out of each others way on the hwy not the fricking free for all we have in California.



I have routinely gone 95-115mph for 2-3 hrs at a split in france. this with a car of 1.5 liters displacement.



I rented a car in france put over 1000 miles on it all over the Alps and constantly speeding on the freeway 80mph-105mpg



I avg 40mpg for the 2 weeks amazing!!!! the car was about the size of a honda civic. gasoline powered.



The OIL Lobby is keeping fuel efficiant cars out of the usa and also americans dont give a fuck.



and in 2003 dumb assholes like mccain vote agianst legislation to make cars avg 35mpg.
 
Stop and go traffic aside, even Toyota is hurting.



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The late 1970s auto bust was brought on by poor quality product. Today's auto bust is being brought on by sales tactics from 2001-2008 designed to get orders by robbing forward sales in an effort to mask the festering sores on the industry (aka the UAW deal).
 
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My beloved Wrightspeed X1

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And Fisker supposedly stole the schematics from Tesla to build the Karma. Ironic.

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The ultimate <a href="http://roflrazzi.com/2008/10/07/the-flintstones-fighting-high-gas-prices-ur-doing-it-right/">green machine</a>.
 
[quote author="ventouxbob" date=1224058274][quote author="Strom" date=1224048389]I responded "25-30" - I get just under 30 mpg (usually 29.5) with my Passat 2.0T 6-speed manual. If I go the speed limit on the freeway, with no traffic, I can get 35-38 mpg. At about 80 mph cruise, I can get 33 mpg. It's really not bad for such a big car, though it's not too heavy for its size - about 3300 lbs. It also is reasonably quick (about 7 seconds to 60).</blockquote>


is that your mini cooper then on the Avitar?? strom</blockquote>


Was until earlier this year. Now I've got a longer commute (new job), a 9-month-old (car seat included), and no time to go to the track.
 
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