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[quote author="optimusprime" date=1225933592][quote author="stepping_up" date=1225933480]OC Register still says too close to call, but here's more silver lining



<a href="http://totalbuzz.freedomblogging.com/2008/11/05/still-too-close-to-call/7506/">Too Close to Call</a>





Opponents of the measure are already preparing court challenges against the vote. Also, attorney Gloria Allred has scheduled a noon press conference to discuss a lawsuit she is filing on behalf of a lesbian couple.</blockquote>


It's the liberal way. If we win, it's LEGITIMATE!! If we lose, well it's VOTER FRAUD of some sort.</blockquote>


No, this is discrimination and I don't care if 52% of the population thinks it's OK to discriminate.... it's not legal.
 
[quote author="optimusprime" date=1225933592][quote author="stepping_up" date=1225933480]OC Register still says too close to call, but here's more silver lining



<a href="http://totalbuzz.freedomblogging.com/2008/11/05/still-too-close-to-call/7506/">Too Close to Call</a>





Opponents of the measure are already preparing court challenges against the vote. Also, attorney Gloria Allred has scheduled a noon press conference to discuss a lawsuit she is filing on behalf of a lesbian couple.</blockquote>


It's the liberal way. If we win, it's LEGITIMATE!! If we lose, well it's VOTER FRAUD of some sort.</blockquote>


Here's a fact: Who was complaining about voter fraud in this election? The R side.



Who was complaining about voter fraud in the 2004 election? The R side.



Who was complaining about voter fraud and constituted the "Brooks Brothers Riot?" The R side.



Your ignorance is utterly astounding.
 
Discrimination? Interesting, now homosexuals can't tolerate what millions of people for thousands of years have defined as "marriage"?



Glad people who still value the foundation of marriage won out.
 
I don't usually do this, but I'm going to have to this morning, Fuck you Optimus. I don't care if you are a supporter of 8 or not, but to come into Troop's thread and shit on her like you did is just disgraceful.
 
[quote author="EvaLSeraphim" date=1225934698]What is the foundation of marriage, as you see it?</blockquote>
What's this ass know about marriage, he still plays with Transformers.
 
[quote author="EvaLSeraphim" date=1225934446][quote author="optimusprime" date=1225933592][quote author="stepping_up" date=1225933480]OC Register still says too close to call, but here's more silver lining



<a href="http://totalbuzz.freedomblogging.com/2008/11/05/still-too-close-to-call/7506/">Too Close to Call</a>





Opponents of the measure are already preparing court challenges against the vote. Also, attorney Gloria Allred has scheduled a noon press conference to discuss a lawsuit she is filing on behalf of a lesbian couple.</blockquote>


It's the liberal way. If we win, it's LEGITIMATE!! If we lose, well it's VOTER FRAUD of some sort.</blockquote>


Here's a fact: Who was complaining about voter fraud in this election? The R side.



Who was complaining about voter fraud in the 2004 election? The R side.



Who was complaining about voter fraud and constituted the "Brooks Brothers Riot?" The R side.



Your ignorance is utterly astounding.</blockquote>


This is a fairly recent article...pretty non-partisan write up.



<a href="http://www.enterprisenews.com/opinions/x1106471412/OPINION-Two-sides-complain-about-voter-fraud">http://www.enterprisenews.com/opinions/x1106471412/OPINION-Two-sides-complain-about-voter-fraud</a>
 
[quote author="stepping_up" date=1225934696]I don't usually do this, but I'm going to have to this morning, Fuck you Optimus. I don't care if you are a supporter of 8 or not, but to come into Troop's thread and shit on her like you did is just disgraceful.</blockquote>


LOL. So because the person who started this thread is a "NO" means I have to abide by the "rules of the thread".



Nice.
 
Hey asshole, comment on this: I mean, this IS your bible after all.....so what's it mean ? Hope you don't wear glasses !



Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God?s Law. I have learned a great deal from your bible, and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate.



I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the other specific laws and how to follow them.



1. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors.

They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?



2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair

price for her?



3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15:19-24. The problem is,

how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offence.



4. Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend

of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can?t I own Canadians?



5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?



6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don.t agree. Can you settle this?



7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?



8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev.

19:27. How should they die?



9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?



10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? - Lev.24:10-16. Couldn.t we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev.20:14)



I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God?s word is eternal and unchanging.
 
[quote author="EvaLSeraphim" date=1225934698]What is the foundation of marriage, as you see it?</blockquote>


Union of a man and woman.



Look who agrees...



?I have long opposed governmental recognition of same-gender marriages.?



Former President Bill Clinton
 
[quote author="Trooper" date=1225935110]Hey asshole, comment on this: I mean, this IS your bible after all.....so what's it mean ? Hope you don't wear glasses !



Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God?s Law. I have learned a great deal from your bible, and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate.



I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the other specific laws and how to follow them.



1. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors.

They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?



2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair

price for her?



3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15:19-24. The problem is,

how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offence.



4. Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend

of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can?t I own Canadians?



5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?



6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don.t agree. Can you settle this?



7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?



8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev.

19:27. How should they die?



9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?



10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? - Lev.24:10-16. Couldn.t we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev.20:14)



I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God?s word is eternal and unchanging.</blockquote>


Bible? Who says I was Christian? Or a bible thumper?



Way to leap to conclusions.
 
[quote author="optimusprime" date=1225934998]LOL. So because the person who started this thread is a "NO" means I have to abide by the "rules of the thread".



Nice.</blockquote>


No. You can disagree, but at least show some respect while doing so instead of being an offensive asshole.
 
<em>Discrimination? Interesting, now homosexuals can?t tolerate what millions of people for thousands of years have defined as ?marriage??



Glad people who still value the foundation of marriage won out.</em>



Now do you see what kind of idiots I've been dealing with all my life ? In an odd way, it's good that optimus is spouting his shit here....for you all to see.
 
[quote author="optimusprime" date=1225934998][quote author="stepping_up" date=1225934696]I don't usually do this, but I'm going to have to this morning, Fuck you Optimus. I don't care if you are a supporter of 8 or not, but to come into Troop's thread and shit on her like you did is just disgraceful.</blockquote>


LOL. So because the person who started this thread is a "NO" means I have to abide by the "rules of the thread".



Nice.</blockquote>


It was just down right rude to crap on a senior member of the board who is so widely respected. She's upset and hurt and posting those feelings in this thread now. Again, f you for not seeing how disgraceful you were this morning.
 
[quote author="optimusprime" date=1225933592]



It's the liberal way. If we win, it's LEGITIMATE!! If we lose, well it's VOTER FRAUD of some sort.</blockquote>


Um, considering why Prop 8 was even on the ballot at all (ie, over-turning something you didn't like), don't you think that's a bit hypocritical?
 
[quote author="optimusprime" date=1225934455]Discrimination? Interesting, now homosexuals can't tolerate what millions of people for thousands of years have defined as "marriage"?



Glad people who still value the foundation of marriage won out.</blockquote>


Just because it has been a certain way does not make it right. Slavery was condoned and institutionalized for most of "history" as was racism, torture, and mass murder. Marriage is defined by society, not history.
 
<em>?I have long opposed governmental recognition of same-gender marriages.?



Former President Bill Clinton</em>



So does Barack..... but you are missing the point. This is about equal rights, damned what you "think". When your children are old enough, they will be ashamed to know that their father voted this way.



You are sealing your own destiny....because we will win eventually....and you know it.
 
[quote author="Trooper" date=1225935374]<em>Discrimination? Interesting, now homosexuals can?t tolerate what millions of people for thousands of years have defined as ?marriage??



Glad people who still value the foundation of marriage won out.</em>



Now do you see what kind of idiots I've been dealing with all my life ? In an odd way, it's good that optimus is spouting his shit here....for you all to see.</blockquote>


Troop, I disagree here. There are other places where it's appropriate for the idiots to spout their bigotry, even on this board, but to do it in this thread this morning was unbelievable. I'm crying foul here.
 
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