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Perspective said:
Further education for anyone sufficiently misinformed, to kindly phrase it, to use the term "Originalist" when defining their view of the Constitution. It's complete nonsense. It always has been.

America Has Always Been A Colorblind Society Says Dolt Who Unfortunately Picks All Our Federal Judges
Who wants to tell Leonard Leo?
https://abovethelaw.com/2018/10/ame...o-unfortunately-picks-all-our-federal-judges/


Let's cut the crap. The reason the libs favor the "living document" view of the Constitution is because it favors current liberal positions. The reason the conservatives favor the "textualist" view of the Constitution is because it favors current conservative positions. It's that simple, all other rationales are BS.

The libs favor the living document view because gun control and affirmative action are contrary to the text of the 2nd and 14th Amendments respectively and the right to privacy, the basis for abortion rights, is nowhere to be found within the four corners of the Constitution. That's why libs are not textualists, no other reason.

Why do libs hate the Electoral College? Because it gives rural states, which currently trend conservative, a disportionate say in who is president. If someday rural states became liberal and urban areas became conservative, the libs woudl love the Electoral College. Politics is all about power, not principle.
 
Long post , but you can just reply with ?this is why trump won? in large font and that will be fine . For others , read on ...

Rural areas are never liberal are they ? People living in cities live in proximity to diversity - of thought , religious persuasion, color , ethnic backgrounds . It is no secret even in red states, cities vote liberal .

I will extend this further ?  Instead of asking "who's the real America," let's ask ? Who, today, reflects values that were once the bedrock of American virtue?  No one has that monopoly now.  But I'll gladly defend the cities as more tolerant and generally less dumb than sparser rural areas.

Who's more out of touch withe majority of their fellow citizens? That's not even close ? most people in this country are not evangelical or small town or rural or uneducated. And you don't need field trips to go ask them to be more tolerant and informed.

For a long time - I have been fed up with the idea that "we" have to understand "them," even as the "them" dwindles in numbers and hardens in dopey and intentional aversion to facts and knowledge. 

I'm all for outreach - to people of good will with whom You might disagree, and who are willing to learn new things even if those new things make them uncomfortable. But I am tired of people calling for ?coastal elites? to go find the dejected "forgotten" people.

America's cities, for one thing, are full of dejected, forgotten people who wrestle with drugs and crime and unemployment. They're just not the right color for the sympathy the new MAGA duds declare we're supposed to deploy in the heartland.

This is why for dems  it?s important to harp on the popular vote point to counter the notion that gop represents a movement of ?the people? versus ?elites?

There are lots of potential non-majoritarian sources of political legitimacy that one could claim (constitution etc) ?- but Republicans are deeply invested in the argument that they are the authentic voice of real Americans while relying exclusively on non-majoritarian institutions for power.
 
fortune11 said:
Long post , but you can just reply with ?this is why trump won? in large font and that will be fine . For others , read on ...

Not just Trump, but George W. Bush also won the presidential election despite Al Gore getting more popular votes. The EC was designed by the founding fathers to protect sparsely populated states from heavily populated ones. It's doing what its supposed to do.
 
Happiness said:
fortune11 said:
Long post , but you can just reply with ?this is why trump won? in large font and that will be fine . For others , read on ...

Not just Trump, but George W. Bush also won the presidential election despite Al Gore getting more popular votes. The EC was designed by the founding fathers to protect sparsely populated states from heavily populated ones. It's doing what its supposed to do.

Don?t even try to put lipstick on this pig ? electoral college was a sop to slave owning states 

The constitution is not some law of gravity that cannot be changed. Slavery was legal at one time , now it is not . Segregation was legal and now it is not (although some republicans wish it were) .
 
fortune11 said:
Happiness said:
fortune11 said:
Long post , but you can just reply with ?this is why trump won? in large font and that will be fine . For others , read on ...

Not just Trump, but George W. Bush also won the presidential election despite Al Gore getting more popular votes. The EC was designed by the founding fathers to protect sparsely populated states from heavily populated ones. It's doing what its supposed to do.

Don?t even try to put lipstick on this pig ? electoral college was a sop to slave owning states 

The constitution is not some law of gravity that cannot be changed. Slavery was legal at one time , now it is not . Segregation was legal and now it is not (although some republicans wish it were) .

There you people go again, making everything about race, and facts, and truth. Stop it!
 
Perspective said:
fortune11 said:
Happiness said:
fortune11 said:
Long post , but you can just reply with ?this is why trump won? in large font and that will be fine . For others , read on ...

Not just Trump, but George W. Bush also won the presidential election despite Al Gore getting more popular votes. The EC was designed by the founding fathers to protect sparsely populated states from heavily populated ones. It's doing what its supposed to do.

Don?t even try to put lipstick on this pig ? electoral college was a sop to slave owning states 

The constitution is not some law of gravity that cannot be changed. Slavery was legal at one time , now it is not . Segregation was legal and now it is not (although some republicans wish it were) .

There you people go again, making everything about race, and facts, and truth. Stop it!

Ha ha

Another way of putting it ? Congratulations liberals, by being against the bad thing you have made good people like me support the bad thing. This should teach you not to be against bad things in the future if you want good people like me on your side.
 
Making structural changes to the Constitution, such as get rid of the Electoral College, based on the current situation is a dangerous game. How do you know that in the future Wyoming will always be rep and California will always be dem? Was California always dem in the past? Libs always get burned when they do shit like this. The Libs thought they were so clever with Roe v. Wade by creating a new Constitutional right outside of the text of the Constitution. However, by freeing judges from the text of laws, they opened the door to judicial activism that conservatives have used with gusto against the liberals. Without Roe, there would be no Citizens United.
 
Happiness said:
Making structural changes to the Constitution, such as get rid of the Electoral College, based on the current situation is a dangerous game. How do you know that in the future Wyoming will always be rep and California will always be dem? Was California always dem in the past? Libs always get burned when they do shit like this. The Libs thought they were so clever with Roe v. Wade by creating a new Constitutional right outside of the text of the Constitution. However, by freeing judges from the text of laws, they opened the door to judicial activism that conservatives have used with gusto against the liberals. Without Roe, there would be no Citizens United.

Good to see the acknowledgement that conservative justices deviate from the text of the Constitution. In 2018, corporations are persons for First Amendment purposes, in conservative justices' eyes. Gotta follow tortured logic to arrive there.

There's a very fair and reasonable argument to be made against the "privacy" right liberal justices created.
 
Couldn't happen to a Creepier guy!

Michael Avenatti and Julie Swetnik Referred for Criminal Prosecution Over Bogus Kavanaugh Claims

nfamous porn lawyer Michael Avenatti and his client Julie Swetnik have been referred for criminal prosecution after making a series of false claims to the Senate Judiciary Committee.

"While the Committee was in the middle of its extensive investigation of the late-breaking sexual-assault allegations made by Dr. Christine Blasey Ford against Supreme Court nominee Judge Brett Kavanaugh, Avenatti publicized his client?s allegations of drug- and alcohol-fueled gang rapes in the 1980s," Chairman Chuck Grassley's office released in a statement Thursday. "The obvious, subsequent contradictions along with the suspicious timing of the allegations necessitate a criminal investigation by the Justice Department."

Avenatti and Swetnik are being referred for the federal criminal offenses of conspiracy, false statements and obstruction of Congress. The recommended charges are detailed in a 29-page letter issued by the Committee.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2018/10/25/breaking-avanatti-n2531943
 
morekaos said:
Couldn't happen to a Creepier guy!

Michael Avenatti and Julie Swetnik Referred for Criminal Prosecution Over Bogus Kavanaugh Claims

nfamous porn lawyer Michael Avenatti and his client Julie Swetnik have been referred for criminal prosecution after making a series of false claims to the Senate Judiciary Committee.

"While the Committee was in the middle of its extensive investigation of the late-breaking sexual-assault allegations made by Dr. Christine Blasey Ford against Supreme Court nominee Judge Brett Kavanaugh, Avenatti publicized his client?s allegations of drug- and alcohol-fueled gang rapes in the 1980s," Chairman Chuck Grassley's office released in a statement Thursday. "The obvious, subsequent contradictions along with the suspicious timing of the allegations necessitate a criminal investigation by the Justice Department."

Avenatti and Swetnik are being referred for the federal criminal offenses of conspiracy, false statements and obstruction of Congress. The recommended charges are detailed in a 29-page letter issued by the Committee.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2018/10/25/breaking-avanatti-n2531943

THE IRONY. Grassley referring for a criminal investigation AFTER he pushed someone through to a lifelong appointment. He certainly didn't seem to care for investigations during the hearings.
 
What?s more loathsome - legally representing a porn actress, or f?ing a porn star while married to your third wife 30 years younger home with your newborn?
 
Perspective said:
What?s more loathsome - legally representing a porn actress, or f?ing a porn star while married to your third wife 30 years younger home with your newborn?
f'ing a porn star while married, if the wife doesn't approve, would be more loathsome.  That's a deflection, however, as the "cheater" isn't really part of this topic.

That deflection doesn't nullify the fact that the lawyer is pretty sleazy. 
 
This is very clarifying isn?t it ?

WP ? What happens if Democrats subpoena Trump's tax returns? Newt Gingrich says it will have to go to the Supreme Court, and "we'll see if the Kavanaugh fight was worth it."


Evangelicals ? God wants you to overturn abortion and at the same time protect the sanctity of marriage ? , uh no , I meant sanctity of trump tax fraud

 
spootieho said:
Perspective said:
What?s more loathsome - legally representing a porn actress, or f?ing a porn star while married to your third wife 30 years younger home with your newborn?
f'ing a porn star while married, if the wife doesn't approve, would be more loathsome.  That's a deflection, however, as the "cheater" isn't really part of this topic.

That deflection doesn't nullify the fact that the lawyer is pretty sleazy.

?Deflection?? Why is this lawyer famous? Why are Trump enthusiasts here talking about him? Why are they attacking his character? Look in a mirror.
 
Perspective said:
spootieho said:
Perspective said:
What?s more loathsome - legally representing a porn actress, or f?ing a porn star while married to your third wife 30 years younger home with your newborn?
f'ing a porn star while married, if the wife doesn't approve, would be more loathsome.  That's a deflection, however, as the "cheater" isn't really part of this topic.

That deflection doesn't nullify the fact that the lawyer is pretty sleazy.

?Deflection?? Why is this lawyer famous? Why are Trump enthusiasts here talking about him? Why are they attacking his character? Look in a mirror.
They attack his character, because he is an annoying clown.  He makes himself a target for that.  Certain people deserve it.

Yeah.  What you did was textbook deflection.  Its something people do when they have nothing valid to contribute. 

Mirror? Lol.  Im not the brainwashed one with his head stuck so far up his party?s ass that he cant accept the guy is clown.  Btw, i gave you the courtesy of answering your question. 
 
He?s famous because he represents a porn star whom Trump f?d & paid to keep quiet. So, complaining about his morality or mere existence in the press, & ignoring why he?s there in the first place, is idiotic. But, that?s Trump enthusiasts for you...
 
Perspective said:
He?s famous because he represents a porn star whom Trump f?d & paid to keep quiet. So, complaining about his morality or mere existence in the press, & ignoring why he?s there in the first place, is idiotic. But, that?s Trump enthusiasts for you...

Ha, you'll get nowhere arguing w spotiho --  he complains a lot about civility while using words like a__h__ (full word not the bleeped out version)

Others Trump supporters at least get the insanity of it all and play along at times, this dude is wound up way too tight about how self important he is  --  needs some serious therapy to chill once in a while   
 
Perspective said:
He?s famous because he represents a porn star whom Trump f?d & paid to keep quiet. So, complaining about his morality or mere existence in the press, & ignoring why he?s there in the first place, is idiotic. But, that?s Trump enthusiasts for you...

You mean like complaining about Russian hackers but maintain total silence about what the hackers revealed abut the DNC and the Clinton campaign?
 
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