San mateo almost sold out.

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irvinehomeshopper said:
RKP, you really need to read carefully. USC bought old and updated it to reflect the amenities just like the new homes. The added benefits to an older home is lot size that offer a dual width driveway and a real backyard where neighbors could not smell his fart. Updating a home is really simple and I don't know why Chindians are so afraid of it and resort to buying new with all sorts of compromises. Congrat USC.
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I did have to play GC for about 2 months, but it was worth it in the end.  I have a 2.5 car wide driveway because of it.  :D
 
iacrenter said:
LOL, that driveway leaves plenty of space for me to park two spanking new Fiat 500s!

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Sadly... I don't even think ONE of those will fit on that "driveway".
 
Patrick J. Star said:
rkp said:
many old irvine neighborhoods look dated and changing your house wont help the ugly neighborhood
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Not sure I can buy into that argument, if this is the alternative.

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I mean, does anything really need to be said after this picture? That's incredible. I would feel bad paying over $200,000 for that.
 
IndieDev said:
I mean, does anything really need to be said after this picture? That's incredible. I would feel bad paying over $200,000 for that.
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to each their own indie...this is by far uglier to me:http://www.redfin.com/CA/Irvine/7-Stillwater-92603/home/4742908

many people adore turtle rock and talk about how amazing it is but drive through it and you are transported to 1970s irvine tract homes...99% of the homes look original and are very unappealing to me and my wife...

sure we can buy in TR and make the insides nicer and maybe even bring up the curb appeal but who wants to live in a dated neighborhood.  it has just about the same charm and character that the new irvine developments do and thats none.  its still tract home and looks bland and identical but only difference is that its very old. 
 
I totally agree in 30 years the new neighborhoods of today will be hated by your children. By then at least the ones with front yard landscape will perceived with greater curb appeal.
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IndieDev said:
I mean, does anything really need to be said after this picture? That's incredible. I would feel bad paying over $200,000 for that.
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to each their own indie...this is by far uglier to me:http://www.redfin.com/CA/Irvine/7-Stillwater-92603/home/4742908

many people adore turtle rock and talk about how amazing it is but drive through it and you are transported to 1970s irvine tract homes...99% of the homes look original and are very unappealing to me and my wife...

sure we can buy in TR and make the insides nicer and maybe even bring up the curb appeal but who wants to live in a dated neighborhood.  it has just about the same charm and character that the new irvine developments do and thats none.  its still tract home and looks bland and identical but only difference is that its very old. 
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Patrick J. Star said:
rkp said:
to each their own indie...this is by far uglier to me:http://www.redfin.com/CA/Irvine/7-Stillwater-92603/home/4742908
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C'mon man, you can't really think that TR house is less attractive than this motorcourt embarrassment.  I mean, yes --- a garage dominant elevation is not ideal, but that is clearly a *house* --- worthy of a price tag north of half a million.  Not only does that San Mateo have a front door probably 4 feet off the asphalt, you know the photographer had his/her a$$ pressed right up against the garage door of the unit across the street when taking this picture.  These motorcourt homes are a sad legacy for the Irvine Company --- especially when balanced against the beautiful city they had developed until 2007 or so.  The TIC executive that put the final stamp of approval to move forward with this crap should be ashamed of themselves.
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i am not a fan of motorcourts and i wouldnt live in this house nor the TR house.  they both suck.  but if they both were on identical lots, i would choose the motorcourt facade and layout vs the older TR house.  thats what i meant.
 
rkp said:
Patrick J. Star said:
rkp said:
to each their own indie...this is by far uglier to me:http://www.redfin.com/CA/Irvine/7-Stillwater-92603/home/4742908
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C'mon man, you can't really think that TR house is less attractive than this motorcourt embarrassment.  I mean, yes --- a garage dominant elevation is not ideal, but that is clearly a *house* --- worthy of a price tag north of half a million.  Not only does that San Mateo have a front door probably 4 feet off the asphalt, you know the photographer had his/her a$$ pressed right up against the garage door of the unit across the street when taking this picture.  These motorcourt homes are a sad legacy for the Irvine Company --- especially when balanced against the beautiful city they had developed until 2007 or so.  The TIC executive that put the final stamp of approval to move forward with this crap should be ashamed of themselves.
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i am not a fan of motorcourts and i wouldnt live in this house nor the TR house.  they both suck.  but if they both were on identical lots, i would choose the motorcourt facade and layout vs the older TR house.  thats what i meant.
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I'd definitely pick the TR house, if I had to choose between the two.
 
irvinehomeshopper said:
That spear thing looks like a hemorrhoidal applicator.
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I think that aptly describes the feeling of buying a TIC product that looks like the picture above, taking it in the butt.
 
to me, there is so much more to TR than the front facade of houses... 

yes, a lot are ugly, but there has been a lot of homes that have been remodeled.  over the next 10-15 yrs, i'd expect that trend to continue.
 
possibly akim - i love west LA and you can have a brand new mansion next to a 30s original tract home and neither looks out of place.  maybe 10-15 years TR will look like that but for now, it still feels extremely dated

in any case, my point was only that the houses themselves arent bad...its the motorcourt thats horrible
 
Driveway, lush front yard (possibly backyard), that condo is much more desirable than the cookie cutter TIC one.

The TIC condos are the definition of ugly, CondoTrap's photo really sends it home. Huge ugly motorcourt, all the homes look exactly the same, no sidewalk, or greenery in the front, 18 inches off the asphalt to your front door.

But I agree with IHS, if people buy them, and pay their good hard earned money to live off what basically amounts to an alley, then TIC must be doing something right.
 
IndieDev said:
Driveway, lush front yard (possibly backyard), that condo is much more desirable than the cookie cutter TIC one.

The TIC condos are the definition of ugly, CondoTrap's photo really sends it home. Huge ugly motorcourt, all the homes look exactly the same, no sidewalk, or greenery in the front, 18 inches off the asphalt to your front door.

But I agree with IHS, if people buy them, and pay their good hard earned money to live off what basically amounts to an alley, then TIC must be doing something right.
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the TIC condos of the past and present are both cookie cutter are rows and rows of clones.  my question to all of you is that *if* both these products pictured below were next to each other on a SFR street with same setback, same driveway size, same backyard, etc, you wouldnt pick the first one over the second one?? 
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and my above point doesnt even take into account the layouts...so much of the 70s had very tight spaces with 8 ft ceilings vs open rooms with 9 ft ceilings...
 
If that TIC condo were a SFR with an actual driveway, backyard over 10 feet deep, with actual sideyards, and a sidewalk in front of your home instead of directly putting you on the street, then yes, with a more modern layout, it might be a better pick over the 70s condo for me personally.

But then you'd be paying almost a million dollars for the driveway, sidewalk, yard, etc.

Irvine is a catch 22 for the middle/upper-middle class families. Sad to see the compromise 9-5ers have to make just to get into TIC homes.
 
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