Protest, Riot, Curfew
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Upd.https://www.foxnews.com/us/black-lives-matter-plans-war-on-police-ny-leader-says
Then iPD wouldn't be able to have 3-4 cruisers at every traffic stop.
The humanity!
Not sure where you got 30% from. Mayor Garcetti is proposing cuts of $100-150 million from a $1,800 million budget.
I'm pretty sure 30% of $1,800 million is $540 million.
But yeah, 30% sounds like a good scare tactic!
Honestly they could just implement the "8 can't wait" policies promoted in Obama's online town hall earlier this week and call it a day.
https://8cantwait.org/
Data proves that together these eight policies can decrease police violence by 72%.
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REQUIRE WARNING BEFORE SHOOTING
REQUIRES EXHAUST ALL ALTERNATIVES BEFORE SHOOTING
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REQUIRE USE OF FORCE CONTINUUM
REQUIRE COMPREHENSIVE REPORTING
I'm surprised and disappointed that we aren't seeing more leadership on civil rights from the Libertarian side too. Isn't there an "Ayn Rand Institute" in Irvine?
* Stop resisting arrest
Simple. You have something to say? Say it to the cop or later to the judge. But flexing your muscles on a cop is not going to be wise in the long term.
Yeah, it's called the lockdown.
I blame the reopenings... if people were not out and about, there would be no need to arrest anyone.
/sarcasm
It's not about looking for excuses. I am throwing out a universal solution. If someone fights a cop, he (well, sometimes she) should better understand the consequences of his (respectively, her) action. Then again, police brutality does exist. Cops get agitated too, they are same people, but better trained on some aspects of dealing with people in the streets.
No, I am not a cop
Jailing everyone is a little bit too extreme solution of this problem
However, I admit, it will solve the vast majority of the world problem. Prob, we should try it
It might be systematic or culture problem. Buffalo PD knocks down 75 year old to the ground during protest.
CNBC: Cuomo applauds suspension of Buffalo cops who knocked down 75-year-old man
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/05/cuo...uffalo-police-who-shoved-75-year-old-man.html
(Click abc news link for video)https://abcnews.go.com/US/george-floyd-protest-updates-famous-monument-robert-lee/story?id=71062391
What if there was not a camera? The 75 year old may have been charge with something. (Just saying) If you watch the video this could of been another fatality by a cop. The 75 year old guy appears to be white. (This issue is not a racism problem, but abusing power problem or something)
(I think the problem if another cop says something about another cop the following may occur: they are considered to be crossing the blue line, they get the cold treatment, backup might be late on calls, bad patrol car, crappy area to patrol) To sum it up, they get punished for speaking up.
adventurous
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Someone from BLM was pushing out the agenda of establishing their own armed "peace officer" department to get in war with the police.Kings said:they're talking about a "community-oriented, nonviolent public safety and outreach capacity"
if you thought looting was bad now...i'm sure all of those upstanding citizens will be good now that the big bad police force is gone
Upd.https://www.foxnews.com/us/black-lives-matter-plans-war-on-police-ny-leader-says
sgip
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So just throwing this out here... perhaps this needs to be a separate thread or poll, but let's play "what if".
"What if".... the Irvine PD get's woke and decides to do as LA / NYC apparently are going to do and cuts 30 percent from the IPD budget, redirecting the funds to social services. How would you react?
Good thing? Bad thing? Stoopid thing? Discuss....
"What if".... the Irvine PD get's woke and decides to do as LA / NYC apparently are going to do and cuts 30 percent from the IPD budget, redirecting the funds to social services. How would you react?
Good thing? Bad thing? Stoopid thing? Discuss....
paperboyNC
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Soylent Green Is People said:
Then iPD wouldn't be able to have 3-4 cruisers at every traffic stop.
The humanity!
Not sure where you got 30% from. Mayor Garcetti is proposing cuts of $100-150 million from a $1,800 million budget.
I'm pretty sure 30% of $1,800 million is $540 million.
But yeah, 30% sounds like a good scare tactic!
Amy Cooper, the white woman who called the cops on a black man who had the audacity to ask her to leash her dog in compliance with the law, is a card carrying Liberal.
Campaign donation records show she is a contributor to Barack Obama, Pete Buttigieg, and John Kerry.
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/amy-cooper-central-park-racist-dog-walker-trump-a9533581.html
I guess that?s why they call it virtue signaling. Your purported virtue is just a public signal that does not reflect how you act when you think no one is watching.
I?ll bet you all the buffets IHO can eat in a year that if Ms. Cooper had been better able to control her inner Karen a couple of weeks ago, she would be marching for George Floyd now.
Campaign donation records show she is a contributor to Barack Obama, Pete Buttigieg, and John Kerry.
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/amy-cooper-central-park-racist-dog-walker-trump-a9533581.html
I guess that?s why they call it virtue signaling. Your purported virtue is just a public signal that does not reflect how you act when you think no one is watching.
I?ll bet you all the buffets IHO can eat in a year that if Ms. Cooper had been better able to control her inner Karen a couple of weeks ago, she would be marching for George Floyd now.
irvinehomeowner
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@Happiness:
I don't want to send the wrong signal here (virtuous or not), but I thanked your post for the buffet reference.
It is possible that she would protest... but there is hypocrisy like this in both parties.
I don't want to send the wrong signal here (virtuous or not), but I thanked your post for the buffet reference.
It is possible that she would protest... but there is hypocrisy like this in both parties.
Hugo Township
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Soylent Green Is People said:
Honestly they could just implement the "8 can't wait" policies promoted in Obama's online town hall earlier this week and call it a day.
https://8cantwait.org/
Data proves that together these eight policies can decrease police violence by 72%.
BAN CHOKEHOLDS & STRANGLEHOLDS
REQUIRE DE-ESCALATION
REQUIRE WARNING BEFORE SHOOTING
REQUIRES EXHAUST ALL ALTERNATIVES BEFORE SHOOTING
DUTY TO INTERVENE
BAN SHOOTING AT MOVING VEHICLES
REQUIRE USE OF FORCE CONTINUUM
REQUIRE COMPREHENSIVE REPORTING
I'm surprised and disappointed that we aren't seeing more leadership on civil rights from the Libertarian side too. Isn't there an "Ayn Rand Institute" in Irvine?
adventurous
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I can easily replace it with one policy, which will eliminate all the conflicting situations.HMart said:
* Stop resisting arrest
Simple. You have something to say? Say it to the cop or later to the judge. But flexing your muscles on a cop is not going to be wise in the long term.
qwerty
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Yeah I?ve never understood the idea of trying to resist arrest. If I was ever arrested I?m just putting my hands up for everyone to see.
With that said, you can?t continue to have excuses for cops - he was reaching for this, he was reaching for that. I thought he was kneeling down in preparation to shoot me, etc. not making excuses for criminals but we need to stop making excuses for cops.
Is there an equivalent to shutdown on shootings?
With that said, you can?t continue to have excuses for cops - he was reaching for this, he was reaching for that. I thought he was kneeling down in preparation to shoot me, etc. not making excuses for criminals but we need to stop making excuses for cops.
Is there an equivalent to shutdown on shootings?
irvinehomeowner
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qwerty said:
Yeah, it's called the lockdown.
I blame the reopenings... if people were not out and about, there would be no need to arrest anyone.
/sarcasm
adventurous
New member
qwerty said:
It's not about looking for excuses. I am throwing out a universal solution. If someone fights a cop, he (well, sometimes she) should better understand the consequences of his (respectively, her) action. Then again, police brutality does exist. Cops get agitated too, they are same people, but better trained on some aspects of dealing with people in the streets.
No, I am not a cop
adventurous
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It's a slippery slope pathirvinehomeowner said:
Jailing everyone is a little bit too extreme solution of this problem However, I admit, it will solve the vast majority of the world problem. Prob, we should try it
qwerty said:
It might be systematic or culture problem. Buffalo PD knocks down 75 year old to the ground during protest.
CNBC: Cuomo applauds suspension of Buffalo cops who knocked down 75-year-old man
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/05/cuo...uffalo-police-who-shoved-75-year-old-man.html
(Click abc news link for video)https://abcnews.go.com/US/george-floyd-protest-updates-famous-monument-robert-lee/story?id=71062391
What if there was not a camera? The 75 year old may have been charge with something. (Just saying) If you watch the video this could of been another fatality by a cop. The 75 year old guy appears to be white. (This issue is not a racism problem, but abusing power problem or something)
(I think the problem if another cop says something about another cop the following may occur: they are considered to be crossing the blue line, they get the cold treatment, backup might be late on calls, bad patrol car, crappy area to patrol) To sum it up, they get punished for speaking up.