Presidential Elections

[Ready2Downsize]

Candidates ALWAYS backtrack.

As for the wall. I don't think it's a viable plan.

Take away the reasons for illegals coming to the US and you'll eliminate the need for the wall. In other words, change the law that anyone born here gets U.S. citizenship and stop handing out free housing, food stamps, etc to the kids born here, never mind their parents are not legal. That puts an end to those coming from down south and probably shuts down birth motels.

Way easier to pass a law than build a wall that will just have tunnels and be ugly.

 

[Perspective]

Candidates ALWAYS backtrack.

As for the wall. I don't think it's a viable plan.

Take away the reasons for illegals coming to the US and you'll eliminate the need for the wall. In other words, change the law that anyone born here gets U.S. citizenship and stop handing out free housing, food stamps, etc to the kids born here, never mind their parents are not legal. That puts an end to those coming from down south and probably shuts down birth motels.

Way easier to pass a law than build a wall that will just have tunnels and be ugly.

Absolutely, but there's a question of degree and actual intent here, that is abnormal, to say the least. Most Presidential candidates share huge aspirational policy objectives, whether politicaly viable or not, and actually believe in and want these objectives achieved.

Trump's biggest objectives were pretty extreme on our normal political spectrum and there's a growing likelihood he never really intended to achieve them.

 

[iacrenter]

Candidates ALWAYS backtrack.

As for the wall. I don't think it's a viable plan.

Take away the reasons for illegals coming to the US and you'll eliminate the need for the wall. In other words, change the law that anyone born here gets U.S. citizenship and stop handing out free housing, food stamps, etc to the kids born here, never mind their parents are not legal. That puts an end to those coming from down south and probably shuts down birth motels.

Way easier to pass a law than build a wall that will just have tunnels and be ugly.

Absolutely, but there's a question of degree and actual intent here, that is abnormal, to say the least. Most Presidential candidates share huge aspirational policy objectives, whether politicaly viable or not, and actually believe in and want these objectives achieved.

Trump's biggest objectives were pretty extreme on our normal political spectrum and there's a growing likelihood he never really intended to achieve them.

I didn't vote for Trump but I think we should give him a chance. He is not a politician in the traditional sense. He broke almost every mold in running a presidential campaign and was heavily underestimated by the media and his opponents. We are in new territory with this president and I wouldn't bet against him. Let's just pray he gets it right for our country.

 

[Movingup]

We are in new territory with this president and I wouldn't bet against him. Let's just pray he gets it right for our country.

Everyone who bet against him are eating crow so far. Amen

 

[Movingup]

Will Trump enthusiasts ever admit they were conned?

Trump and advisers hedge on major pledges, including Obamacare and the wall
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...-obamacare-and-the-wall/ar-AAkccEu?li=BBnb7Kz

LOL. Trump hasn't even officially become the POTUS and you are spreading the theory that his supporters are being conned? How much will you pay me to keep your crystal ball? Priceless.

Theory? Trump is apparently walking back his three biggest positions. It was a rhetorical question. We all know the answer.

I know you are only happy with a liberal dictator like shoving Obamacare down our throats. Compromise is needed in politics and Trump is doing exactly what he needs to do. Your views did nothing to unify our country. If you cannot keep an open mind, you will be miserable for the next 4 years.

 

[Perspective]

Will Trump enthusiasts ever admit they were conned?

Trump and advisers hedge on major pledges, including Obamacare and the wall
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...-obamacare-and-the-wall/ar-AAkccEu?li=BBnb7Kz

LOL. Trump hasn't even officially become the POTUS and you are spreading the theory that his supporters are being conned? How much will you pay me to keep your crystal ball? Priceless.

Theory? Trump is apparently walking back his three biggest positions. It was a rhetorical question. We all know the answer.

I know you are only happy with a liberal dictator like shoving Obamacare down our throats. Compromise is needed in politics and Trump is doing exactly what he needs to do. Your views did nothing to unify our country. If you cannot keep an open mind, you will be miserable for the next 4 years.

Thank you for the personal attacks/insults and mischaracterizations of my comments. I know this is just a blog, but it would be nice if more than just a few folks could refrain from rhetoric, ad hominems, and logical fallacies in nearly every sentence.

The level of political conversation here, and elsewhere, would be so much greater, if folks would simply resist every temptation to insult others commenting on politics.

 

[Movingup]

Thank you for the personal attacks/insults and mischaracterizations of my comments. I know this is just a blog, but it would be nice if more than just a few folks could refrain from rhetoric, ad hominems, and logical fallacies in nearly every sentence.

The level of political conversation here, and elsewhere, would be so much greater, if folks would simply resist every temptation to insult others commenting on politics.

It would be nice if you can post some positive links so people can come together and realize the people succeed when the President succeeds. You have links after links targeting Trump and acted like you can predict the future. Or am I wrong?

 

[Perspective]

Thank you for the personal attacks/insults and mischaracterizations of my comments. I know this is just a blog, but it would be nice if more than just a few folks could refrain from rhetoric, ad hominems, and logical fallacies in nearly every sentence.

The level of political conversation here, and elsewhere, would be so much greater, if folks would simply resist every temptation to insult others commenting on politics.

It would be nice if you can post some positive links so people can come together and realize the people succeed when the President succeeds. You have links after links targeting Trump and acted like you can predict the future. Or am I wrong?

I'm posting links trying to determine what Trump's real plans are. I'm not predicting anything.

 

[qwerty]

I hope trump does build the wall. The cheap labor source goes away and then we can all start paying more for everything. Then wages will naturally go up. And there wouldn't be a better sight than watching white people clean toilets and cook food at Asian restaurants  I won't even pretend white people will try to pick fruits and veggies to make a living cause they can't hack it

 

[sgip]

Here's a fun map of each precincts voting results. I know in my area (Melinda Heights, Rancho Santa Margarita) most of the HRC votes came from the surrounding apartments. I'm not saying it's renters turning a red county blue... but it was renters....

http://www.ocvote.com/maps/#33.6981/-117.7879/10/type=results|

Fascinating fact: The Green Party won one precinct in OC when both eligible voters in the area picked Stein.


My .02c

 

[jmoney74]

Thank you for the personal attacks/insults and mischaracterizations of my comments. I know this is just a blog, but it would be nice if more than just a few folks could refrain from rhetoric, ad hominems, and logical fallacies in nearly every sentence.

The level of political conversation here, and elsewhere, would be so much greater, if folks would simply resist every temptation to insult others commenting on politics.

It would be nice if you can post some positive links so people can come together and realize the people succeed when the President succeeds. You have links after links targeting Trump and acted like you can predict the future. Or am I wrong?

I'm posting links trying to determine what Trump's real plans are. I'm not predicting anything.

Same ole perspective.  Doesnt get it.

 

[Perspective]

Thank you for the personal attacks/insults and mischaracterizations of my comments. I know this is just a blog, but it would be nice if more than just a few folks could refrain from rhetoric, ad hominems, and logical fallacies in nearly every sentence.

The level of political conversation here, and elsewhere, would be so much greater, if folks would simply resist every temptation to insult others commenting on politics.

It would be nice if you can post some positive links so people can come together and realize the people succeed when the President succeeds. You have links after links targeting Trump and acted like you can predict the future. Or am I wrong?

I'm posting links trying to determine what Trump's real plans are. I'm not predicting anything.

Same ole perspective.  Doesnt get it.

Thanks for yet another personal insult.

 

[Happiness]

I don't think Trump will succeed in pulling back NATO, getting our "allies" to pay more of the tab for their defense, curb Chinese imports, bring manufacturing jobs back, stop illegal immigration, etc. because there's too much money involved in maintain the status quo.  However, I give Trump credit for at least starting the conversation so we may at least get some improvement in these areas.  Hillary is 100% establishment and would have scoffed at even having the conversation. Trump may not succeed but at least he offers hope.  Hillary is just another link in the chain of the same old postwar economic/financial/political structure.

Disclaimer: This post should not be taken as an ad hominem attack on any person or entity, living or dead, real or imagined.

 

[Kangen.Irvine]

The ocvote.com Voter Turnout site does offer an interesting perspective. In an election like this, economic perspectives probably do influence how people vote, but traditionally I think that's how it normally is. The government has a great influence on taxation so people would be smart to vote accordingly.

 

[Movingup]

I hope trump does build the wall. The cheap labor source goes away and then we can all start paying more for everything. Then wages will naturally go up. And there wouldn't be a better sight than watching white people clean toilets and cook food at Asian restaurants  I won't even pretend white people will try to pick fruits and veggies to make a living cause they can't hack it

Yeah. Our 18 trillion GDP depends on the Mexican illegals. We also need to thank their service by providing free healthcare to them when they visit the ER with pneumonia, broken bones or whatever medical illnesses. Let's bus them across the border daily or our GDP growth can't break 1%. Why isn't Obama doing it yet?

 

[Movingup]

I'm posting links trying to determine what Trump's real plans are. I'm not predicting anything.

Anyone can choose to believe all the liberal biased, out to get Trump media they want, it's all over the web. But if you are using the board to spread the propaganda post after post, then you should expect to defend yourself.

No one knows what policies or promises he will keep, but Americans want change. All we want is America to be great, including Trump. If we keep fighting each other and don't support the President, nothing will get done just like the past 8 years and proved to be a true killer for the working class.

 

[eyephone]

Thank you for the personal attacks/insults and mischaracterizations of my comments. I know this is just a blog, but it would be nice if more than just a few folks could refrain from rhetoric, ad hominems, and logical fallacies in nearly every sentence.

The level of political conversation here, and elsewhere, would be so much greater, if folks would simply resist every temptation to insult others commenting on politics.

It would be nice if you can post some positive links so people can come together and realize the people succeed when the President succeeds. You have links after links targeting Trump and acted like you can predict the future. Or am I wrong?

I'm posting links trying to determine what Trump's real plans are. I'm not predicting anything.

Same ole perspective.  Doesnt get it.

Jmoney vs Perspective
(Drama on TI)
I got my money on Jmoney

 

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[Perspective]

I'm posting links trying to determine what Trump's real plans are. I'm not predicting anything.

Anyone can choose to believe all the liberal biased, out to get Trump media they want, it's all over the web. But if you are using the board to spread the propaganda post after post, then you should expect to defend yourself.

No one knows what policies or promises he will keep, but Americans want change. All we want is America to be great, including Trump. If we keep fighting each other and don't support the President, nothing will get done just like the past 8 years and proved to be a true killer for the working class.

No, if we're being reasonable, we should expect to defend ideas, policies, and opinions, not ourselves from juvenile personal insults.

Anyway, I'm not the blog police, and this thread's conversation can be as worthless as those willing to comment want it to be. So be it.