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Sorkin's butthurt because he can no longer visit the WH. Someone should challenge him to come up with one single anti-Semitic statement The Tang Menace has said in the last 10 years. Then, if successful in doing so, ask Sorkin when did he last demand the Scabrous Gordon to return all of the money The Clinton Foundation received from Qatar and Saudi - governments committed to destroying all things Jewish, LGBTQUERTYXZ etc.  All we'll hear are crickets.

I prefer John Podhoretz's letter to his daughters:

Dear Daughters,

Trump won.
Signed,
Daddy.

PS: You'll live.




My .02c

SGIP
 
I normally don't post at TI anymore, but I had to drop in to see Perspective's reaction firsthand.  Unfortunately, what he doesn't get is that the condescending, reverse racism he displays is exactly what got Trump elected.  It was the coalition of bitter clingers & deplorables that are sick of that type of rhetoric.  What Perspective's highly educated, yet out-of-touch, compadres don't understand is that 1/3 of Hispanics also voted for Trump, as did up to perhaps 15% of black voters (many would not state who they voted for in exit polling).  Trump got a higher percentage of both groups than Romney did.

There are also three large groups that Trump won, despite not fitting Perspective's narrative of "poorly educated older white males":

-College-educated Whites (Yep, he won people that graduated from college and have light pigmentation)
-White women (Yes, WHITE WOMEN!  How could Hillary have lost this group??)
-Catholics across all races (presumably many Hispanics included here; Obama won this group in 2008/2012)

At some point Perspective will have to put his education to use and accept the fact that a broad coalition supported Trump, not just the stereotypical people that he equates as closet KKK members.

Sorry to interrupt the normally scheduled identity politics here, but as somebody wise once said:  "Facts are stubborn."




 
Thanks for stopping by Mellow Ruse. That's not a fair characterization of my point of view, but whatever. This is just a blog for folks to share their thoughts and perspectives.

If I were to reduce this Presidential election to a brief explanation of an extremely complex issue, I'd characterize it as:

~40% of voters will vote Republican no matter what, and
~40% of voters will vote Democrat no matter what.

There are the remaining 20% of voters in the middle, of which I am one, who either abstain, vote for a third party, or pick the least worst candidate each Presidential election.

Enthusiasm for Trump, and lack of enthusiasm for Clinton, swung the swing states (Rust Belt) to Trump, with Clinton winning the popular vote ever so slightly.

Who were these enthusiastic Rust Belt voters?

Oh, and thanks for attacking me personally, rather than simply discussing the issues refraining from ad hominems.
 
Perspective said:
The Republican mantra is "less regulation." Wouldn't the slapping of 35% tariffs on domestic imported autos increase regulation? Wouldn't that also be the government "picking winners and losers" - something Republicans claim to abhor?
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what makes you think Trump is a Republican?
 
paydawg said:
Perspective said:
The Republican mantra is "less regulation." Wouldn't the slapping of 35% tariffs on domestic imported autos increase regulation? Wouldn't that also be the government "picking winners and losers" - something Republicans claim to abhor?
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what makes you think Trump is a Republican?
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I would say he is a new type/form of Republican.
 
The irony in this election for me, is that my life isn't likely to change much at all as a result, except that I could pay a lot less in federal income taxes and possibly no ACA taxes. The lives of folks struggling in middle America aren't likely to change much at all either, and whatever tax break they see will be nominal.

Good times.
 
BangBros said:
OVER 90 MILLION ELIGIBLE VOTERS DIDN'T VOTE!!


So 43% or over 90 million qualified voters didn't vote.  There's your fuckin' problem.  The 90 million deplorables didn't give a shit.

In one of the biggest elections in the history of all time, 43% just sat on the bench spectating.  WOW.  There's your fucking problem right there.  This election is not a hillary or trump problem.  This is clearly a people problem.

They should make it law to force people to vote  OR ELSE pay a fine ;) ;) just like how they make it law to force people to buy health insurance or pay a fine.
http://heavy.com/news/2016/11/eligi...can-democrat-popular-vote-registered-results/
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is there a demographic breakdown of the non voters, i'm thinking there is a fair section of retirees that don't feel like voting will do anything, but what about the rest... hate both candidates so much so that didn't even bother?
 
Liar Loan said:
-White women (Yes, WHITE WOMEN!  How could Hillary have lost this group??)
-Catholics across all races (presumably many Hispanics included here; Obama won this group in 2008/2012)
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As a white woman, I can say I don't identify with Hillary. I consider her sneaky, dishonest and out for herself. Women "help" each other more than men and I look at Hillary as the last person who would help others without some ulterior motive.

Trump successfully brought Hillary down to his level and slinging mud wasn't helpful, imo. She called out Trump for bullying and then called half his supporters deplorables., implying a whole lot of people are worth less than those who support her.

As for Catholics, that's an easy one. It comes down to the abortion issue which spans far more than Catholics. For some that may have been a very big issue... enough to cause someone to overlook Trump's baggage and cast their vote for him.

Oh and there are a lot of Hispanic catholics so that might have eaten into some of Hillary's expected Latino vote.
 
Perspective said:
The irony in this election for me, is that my life isn't likely to change much at all as a result, except that I could pay a lot less in federal income taxes and possibly no ACA taxes. The lives of folks struggling in middle America aren't likely to change much at all either, and whatever tax break they see will be nominal.

Good times.
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Every middle American I've seen interviewed said they didn't expect Trump to bring their jobs back.  Despite their lack of education, they fully understand that their former manufacturing jobs are gone for good.  They voted for Trump not because they actually believe Trump will bring their old jobs back, they voted for Trump as a big F-U to the Washington mandarins and Wall Street vampires who wrecked their lives.
 
Yes but I know a lot of guys like that.

It's different for men and women. Women look to other women as equals and helpers. We don't view men the same way.

I think Martha Stewart probably is thought of by some with some of those qualities (and she's an ex con) but she is "helpful".

Hillary would be excluded by lots of clicks and Martha let in even though we know Martha probably is out for herself too the difference being she seems to help others improve.

I have nothing against a woman president, I just didn't want Hillary. Not enough to vote against her till she made the deplorable remark.

 
Ready2Downsize said:
Yes but I know a lot of guys like that.

It's different for men and women. Women look to other women as equals and helpers. We don't view men the same way.

I think Martha Stewart probably is thought of by some with some of those qualities (and she's an ex con) but she is "helpful".

Hillary would be excluded by lots of clicks and Martha let in even though we know Martha probably is out for herself too the difference being she seems to help others improve.

I have nothing against a woman president, I just didn't want Hillary. Not enough to vote against her till she made the deplorable remark.
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Fair enough, but the deplorable remark pales in comparison to Trump's many similar comments, no?
 
Happiness said:
Perspective said:
The irony in this election for me, is that my life isn't likely to change much at all as a result, except that I could pay a lot less in federal income taxes and possibly no ACA taxes. The lives of folks struggling in middle America aren't likely to change much at all either, and whatever tax break they see will be nominal.

Good times.
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Every middle American I've seen interviewed said they didn't expect Trump to bring their jobs back.  Despite their lack of education, they fully understand that their former manufacturing jobs are gone for good.  They voted for Trump not because they actually believe Trump will bring their old jobs back, they voted for Trump as a big F-U to the Washington mandarins and Wall Street vampires who wrecked their lives.
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Agreed. What do you think will be the consensus for enthusiastic Trump supporters if/when Trump starts cutting taxes for "the rich" and curtailing regulation on the big banks/Wall Street (Dodd-Frank et. al)?
 
I knew my vote in California wouldn't be counted but I still went out and voted because I wanted it known there was someone out there NOT HAPPY with how things are going.

Do I think much will change? No, not really because I think Trump won't be able to get things thru congress but if he does, so be it.

Do I think the economy will be better off with Trump or Clinton? I don't know but I was pretty sure I and my family would be much worse off with a liberal agenda and I would like to see Obama Care repealed. Beyond that, we're overdue for a downturn in the economy and the business cycle can't be repealed indefinitely.

 
I think that's the biggest problem with the Electoral College - everyone not living in a swing state, or near swing state, is disenfranchised.
 
Perspective said:
Ready2Downsize said:
Yes but I know a lot of guys like that.

It's different for men and women. Women look to other women as equals and helpers. We don't view men the same way.

I think Martha Stewart probably is thought of by some with some of those qualities (and she's an ex con) but she is "helpful".

Hillary would be excluded by lots of clicks and Martha let in even though we know Martha probably is out for herself too the difference being she seems to help others improve.

I have nothing against a woman president, I just didn't want Hillary. Not enough to vote against her till she made the deplorable remark.
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Fair enough, but the deplorable remark pales in comparison to Trump's many similar comments, no?
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No because Trump lives in the mud. Hillary joined him and threw a big fat bowl of mud right in my face and I wasn't even doing anything but sitting minding my own business.

It's like J.R. Ewing. He's a anti hero. You just roll your eyes and laugh it off as J.R. (Trump) being J.R. (Trump) and wonder if he can top the last bit of entertainment.
 
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