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It doesn't matter who you voted for and supported. But if you give advice to bring "Chaos" (words that you mentioned: revolution, militia, making history in our books, etc.) that's a problem.
In regards to drinking with you, I think I'll pass. (You wouldn't be the first choice I would drink with, that I can tell you)
This is one of your reasonable comments. I mostly agree, but for the "entitled" party. I don't think Irvine folks, or other Never Trump campers, are "entitled" simply because they find Trump's words and ideas despicable.
irvinehomeowner
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To me, the results was more about how how much people disliked Hillary over how much they liked Trump.
I think this was a fitting result, HRC was so smug that she had the female vote locked up, the blue states locked up, the Latino vote locked up, and that the debates/locker room video/etc was gravy... and that's what most of the media thought (including myself)... and then the results exposed her hubris.
While I think Trump isn't qualified to be prez (luckily, there are other branches to check him), people just didn't like the current establishment (as seen by the Senate and House votes). This is the same thing that happened 8 years ago where many didn't think America was going to vote in an African American president.
Or maybe, it is the glass ceiling, when Obama won, McCain has a woman vice president, would it had been different if McCain chose a male running mate?
Maybe it's as simple as America isn't ready for women in the highest office... at least not for the the two that we could vote for.
If Hillary couldn't beat someone like Trump, she has to know how disliked she is. Maybe Michelle Obama can run in 2020/24.
I think this was a fitting result, HRC was so smug that she had the female vote locked up, the blue states locked up, the Latino vote locked up, and that the debates/locker room video/etc was gravy... and that's what most of the media thought (including myself)... and then the results exposed her hubris.
While I think Trump isn't qualified to be prez (luckily, there are other branches to check him), people just didn't like the current establishment (as seen by the Senate and House votes). This is the same thing that happened 8 years ago where many didn't think America was going to vote in an African American president.
Or maybe, it is the glass ceiling, when Obama won, McCain has a woman vice president, would it had been different if McCain chose a male running mate?
Maybe it's as simple as America isn't ready for women in the highest office... at least not for the the two that we could vote for.
If Hillary couldn't beat someone like Trump, she has to know how disliked she is. Maybe Michelle Obama can run in 2020/24.
BangBros said:eyephone said:
Uhh no I said "IF". I didn't say let's do it. Please read English.
If you are horny, go jerk off. I didn't ask you to go jerk off. But only "if" you are horny. So I said "If" people want to oust him, then form a rebellion in arms and get the job done.
If you haven't noticed, I'm a Trump supporter. Why do you think I want violence? But I'll certainly throw in my free advice for people who may consider it.
I am just belittling the protesters because clearly their action right now is absolutely futile unless they take drastic measures above.
So I will repeat my english again and I hope you can comprehend it. If the protesters out on the streets want to see progress, then take up arms and form a rebellion and start a revolution. Otherwise, these protestors need to go home, go to bed, suck it up, and stop wasting public resources like riot control and police presence and causing traffic jams and littering our streets.
And eyephone, when are you going to have that SX negro vodka drink with me? Or are you still offended because the bottle says "Negro" ?
It doesn't matter who you voted for and supported. But if you give advice to bring "Chaos" (words that you mentioned: revolution, militia, making history in our books, etc.) that's a problem.
In regards to drinking with you, I think I'll pass. (You wouldn't be the first choice I would drink with, that I can tell you)
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Read Michael Moore's Full 'Trumpland' Explanation for How Trump Won
http://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/new...ation-for-how-trump-won/ar-AAk6BxT?li=BBnbfcL
Back in October, filmmaker Michael Moore released the surprise documentary Michael Moore in Trumpland, which detailed Hillary Clinton's strengths as a presidential candidate and also featured a lengthy section on how Donald Trump could win the election.
In the film, which Moore filmed over two days in Ohio in September, the Oscar-winning director explains how voters in swing states like Michigan, Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Wisconsin -- all states won by Trump on Election Day -- could put the GOP nominee into power. (Moore called those states "Brexit states.") Moore's remarks in the video, which echoed comments he wrote on his website earlier this year, were even picked up by Trump himself, who tweeted out an edited video of the Michael Moore in Trumpland segment, and said he agreed with Moore. (Moore later slammed Trump for promoting the edited video.)
In the wake of Trump's victory, Moore tweeted, "The American Brexit. In June, Britain voted to leave Europe. Yesterday, America voted to leave America." Below, read Moore's full comments from Michael Moore in Trumpland, which provide further context to his post-election tweet.
Donald Trump came to the Detroit Economic Club, and stood there in front of the Ford Motor executives, and said, 'If you close these factories as you're planning to do in Detroit and build them in Mexico, I'm going to put a 35 percent tariff on those cars when you send them back, and nobody is going to buy them.' It was an amazing thing to see. No politician, Republican or Democrat, had ever said anything like that to these executives. And it was music to the ears of people in Michigan and Ohio and Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. The Brexit states. ... Whether Trump means it or not is kind of irrelevant because he's saying the things to people who are hurting. And it's why every beaten-down, nameless, forgotten working stiff, who used to be part of what was called the middle class, loves Trump. He is the human Molotov cocktail that they've been waiting for. The human hand grenade that they can legally throw into the system that stole their lives from them. And on Nov. 8, Election Day, although they've lost their jobs, although they've been foreclosed on by the bank, next came the divorce and now the wife and kids are gone, the car's been repo'd, they haven't had a real vacation in years, they're stuck with the sh--ty Obamacare bronze plan, where you can't even get a f---ing Percocet. They've essentially lost everything they had, except one thing. The one thing that doesn't cost them a cent and is guaranteed to them by the American Constitution: the right to vote. They might be penniless, they might be homeless, they might be f---ed over and f---ed up, it doesn't matter. Because it's equalized on that day: a millionaire has the same number of votes as the person without a job, one. And there's more of the former middle class than there are in the millionaire class.
So on Nov. 8, the dispossessed will walk into the voting booth, be handed a ballot, close the curtain, and take that lever or felt pen or touch screen and put a big f---ing 'X' in the box by the name of the man who has threatened to upend and overturn the very system that has ruined their lives: Donald J. Trump.
They see that the elites, who ruined their lives, hate Trump. Corporate America hates Trump. Wall Street hates Trump. The career politicians hate Trump. The media hates Trump -- after they loved him, and created him, and now hate him. Thank you, media. The enemy of my enemy is who I'm voting for on Nov. 8. Yes, on Nov. 8, you: Joe Blow, Steve Blow, Bob Blow, Billy Blow, Billy Bob Blow, all the Blows get to go and blow up the whole goddamn system, because it's your right. Trump's election is going to be the biggest 'f--- you' ever recorded in human history. And it will feel good. For a day. Maybe a week. Possibly a month. And then? Like the Brits, who wanted to send a message, so they voted to leave Europe. Only to find out, that if you voted to leave Europe, you actually have to leave Europe. And now they regret it. All the Ohioans, Pennsylvanians, Michiganders, and Wisconsinites of Middle England, right? They all voted to leave, and now they regret it -- and over 4 million of them have signed a petition to have a do-over. They want another election. It ain't going to happen. Because you used the ballot as an anger-management tool. And now you're f---ed. And the rest of Europe? They're like, 'Bye, Felicia.'
So when the rightfully angry people of Ohio and Michigan and Pennsylvania and Wisconsin find out after a few months in office that President Trump wasn't going to do a damn thing for them, it'll be too late for them to do anything about it. But I get it. You wanted to send a message. You had righteous anger, and justifiable anger. Well, message sent. Good night, America. You just elected the last President of the United States.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/new...ation-for-how-trump-won/ar-AAk6BxT?li=BBnbfcL
Back in October, filmmaker Michael Moore released the surprise documentary Michael Moore in Trumpland, which detailed Hillary Clinton's strengths as a presidential candidate and also featured a lengthy section on how Donald Trump could win the election.
In the film, which Moore filmed over two days in Ohio in September, the Oscar-winning director explains how voters in swing states like Michigan, Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Wisconsin -- all states won by Trump on Election Day -- could put the GOP nominee into power. (Moore called those states "Brexit states.") Moore's remarks in the video, which echoed comments he wrote on his website earlier this year, were even picked up by Trump himself, who tweeted out an edited video of the Michael Moore in Trumpland segment, and said he agreed with Moore. (Moore later slammed Trump for promoting the edited video.)
In the wake of Trump's victory, Moore tweeted, "The American Brexit. In June, Britain voted to leave Europe. Yesterday, America voted to leave America." Below, read Moore's full comments from Michael Moore in Trumpland, which provide further context to his post-election tweet.
Donald Trump came to the Detroit Economic Club, and stood there in front of the Ford Motor executives, and said, 'If you close these factories as you're planning to do in Detroit and build them in Mexico, I'm going to put a 35 percent tariff on those cars when you send them back, and nobody is going to buy them.' It was an amazing thing to see. No politician, Republican or Democrat, had ever said anything like that to these executives. And it was music to the ears of people in Michigan and Ohio and Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. The Brexit states. ... Whether Trump means it or not is kind of irrelevant because he's saying the things to people who are hurting. And it's why every beaten-down, nameless, forgotten working stiff, who used to be part of what was called the middle class, loves Trump. He is the human Molotov cocktail that they've been waiting for. The human hand grenade that they can legally throw into the system that stole their lives from them. And on Nov. 8, Election Day, although they've lost their jobs, although they've been foreclosed on by the bank, next came the divorce and now the wife and kids are gone, the car's been repo'd, they haven't had a real vacation in years, they're stuck with the sh--ty Obamacare bronze plan, where you can't even get a f---ing Percocet. They've essentially lost everything they had, except one thing. The one thing that doesn't cost them a cent and is guaranteed to them by the American Constitution: the right to vote. They might be penniless, they might be homeless, they might be f---ed over and f---ed up, it doesn't matter. Because it's equalized on that day: a millionaire has the same number of votes as the person without a job, one. And there's more of the former middle class than there are in the millionaire class.
So on Nov. 8, the dispossessed will walk into the voting booth, be handed a ballot, close the curtain, and take that lever or felt pen or touch screen and put a big f---ing 'X' in the box by the name of the man who has threatened to upend and overturn the very system that has ruined their lives: Donald J. Trump.
They see that the elites, who ruined their lives, hate Trump. Corporate America hates Trump. Wall Street hates Trump. The career politicians hate Trump. The media hates Trump -- after they loved him, and created him, and now hate him. Thank you, media. The enemy of my enemy is who I'm voting for on Nov. 8. Yes, on Nov. 8, you: Joe Blow, Steve Blow, Bob Blow, Billy Blow, Billy Bob Blow, all the Blows get to go and blow up the whole goddamn system, because it's your right. Trump's election is going to be the biggest 'f--- you' ever recorded in human history. And it will feel good. For a day. Maybe a week. Possibly a month. And then? Like the Brits, who wanted to send a message, so they voted to leave Europe. Only to find out, that if you voted to leave Europe, you actually have to leave Europe. And now they regret it. All the Ohioans, Pennsylvanians, Michiganders, and Wisconsinites of Middle England, right? They all voted to leave, and now they regret it -- and over 4 million of them have signed a petition to have a do-over. They want another election. It ain't going to happen. Because you used the ballot as an anger-management tool. And now you're f---ed. And the rest of Europe? They're like, 'Bye, Felicia.'
So when the rightfully angry people of Ohio and Michigan and Pennsylvania and Wisconsin find out after a few months in office that President Trump wasn't going to do a damn thing for them, it'll be too late for them to do anything about it. But I get it. You wanted to send a message. You had righteous anger, and justifiable anger. Well, message sent. Good night, America. You just elected the last President of the United States.
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sgip
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America's A-OK with a woman president, just not Hillbilly R Cankles. Michelle O in 2020? This is the same Michelle who's sole accomplishment is telling everyone they need to eat better, right? Well, if a completely unqualified junior senator could become President, I guess there's hope....
On the R side of the aisle I'd vote for Governor Jan Brewer of Arizona. On the Dems side there's Tammy Duckworth although I'm not sure if there would be a birther issue in her case. A solid pick in my mind.
I'm sure a few other names will be floated up as time moves on.
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On the R side of the aisle I'd vote for Governor Jan Brewer of Arizona. On the Dems side there's Tammy Duckworth although I'm not sure if there would be a birther issue in her case. A solid pick in my mind.
I'm sure a few other names will be floated up as time moves on.
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nosuchreality
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I don't see the Senate floor rules changing which means even though Dems are now the minority party, nothing moves forward without consent of their leader or at least eight of them stabbing him in the back.
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BangBros said:
This is one of your reasonable comments. I mostly agree, but for the "entitled" party. I don't think Irvine folks, or other Never Trump campers, are "entitled" simply because they find Trump's words and ideas despicable.
morekaos
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Here is what sore loser, foul mouthed, elitist, filthy rich, self important, Aaron Sorkin told his daughter...what a DB.
Sorkin Girls,
Well the world changed late last night in a way I couldn?t protect us from. That?s a terrible feeling for a father. I won?t sugarcoat it?this is truly horrible. It?s hardly the first time my candidate didn?t win (in fact it?s the sixth time) but it is the first time that a thoroughly incompetent pig with dangerous ideas, a serious psychiatric disorder, no knowledge of the world and no curiosity to learn has.
And it wasn?t just Donald Trump who won last night?it was his supporters too. The Klan won last night. White nationalists. Sexists, racists and buffoons. Angry young white men who think rap music and Cinco de Mayo are a threat to their way of life (or are the reason for their way of life) have been given cause to celebrate. Men who have no right to call themselves that and who think that women who aspire to more than looking hot are shrill, ugly, and otherwise worthy of our scorn rather than our admiration struck a blow for misogynistic shitheads everywhere. Hate was given hope. Abject dumbness was glamorized as being ?the fresh voice of an outsider? who?s going to ?shake things up.? (Did anyone bother to ask how? Is he going to re-arrange the chairs in the Roosevelt Room?) For the next four years, the President of the United States, the same office held by Washington and Jefferson, Lincoln and Teddy Roosevelt, F.D.R., J.F.K. and Barack Obama, will be held by a man-boy who?ll spend his hours exacting Twitter vengeance against all who criticize him (and those numbers will be legion). We?ve embarrassed ourselves in front of our children and the world.
And the world took no time to react. The Dow futures dropped 7000 points overnight. Economists are predicting a deep and prolonged recession. Our NATO allies are in a state of legitimate fear. And speaking of fear, Muslim-Americans, Mexican-Americans and African-Americans are shaking in their shoes. And we?d be right to note that many of Donald Trump?s fans are not fans of Jews. On the other hand, there is a party going on at ISIS headquarters. What wouldn?t we give to trade this small fraction of a man for Richard Nixon right now?
So what do we do?
First of all, we remember that we?re not alone. A hundred million people in America and a billion more around the world feel exactly the same way we do.
Second, we get out of bed. The Trumpsters want to see people like us (Jewish, ?coastal elites,? educated, socially progressive, Hollywood?) sobbing and wailing and talking about moving to Canada. I won?t give them that and neither will you. Here?s what we?ll do?
?we?ll fucking fight. (Roxy, there?s a time for this kind of language and it?s now.) We?re not powerless and we?re not voiceless. We don?t have majorities in the House or Senate but we do have representatives there. It?s also good to remember that most members of Trump?s own party feel exactly the same way about him that we do. We make sure that the people we sent to Washington?including Kamala Harris?take our strength with them and never take a day off.
We get involved. We do what we can to fight injustice anywhere we see it?whether it?s writing a check or rolling up our sleeves. Our family is fairly insulated from the effects of a Trump presidency so we fight for the families that aren?t. We fight for a woman to keep her right to choose. We fight for the First Amendment and we fight mostly for equality?not for a guarantee of equal outcomes but for equal opportunities. We stand up.
America didn?t stop being America last night and we didn?t stop being Americans and here?s the thing about Americans: Our darkest days have always?always?been followed by our finest hours.
Roxy, I know my predictions have let you down in the past, but personally, I don?t think this guy can make it a year without committing an impeachable crime. If he does manage to be a douche nozzle without breaking the law for four years, we?ll make it through those four years. And three years from now we?ll fight like hell for our candidate and we?ll win and they?ll lose and this time they?ll lose for good. Honey, it?ll be your first vote.
The battle isn?t over, it?s just begun. Grandpa fought in World War II and when he came home this country handed him an opportunity to make a great life for his family. I will not hand his granddaughter a country shaped by hateful and stupid men. Your tears last night woke me up, and I?ll never go to sleep on you again.
Love,
Dad
Sorkin Girls,
Well the world changed late last night in a way I couldn?t protect us from. That?s a terrible feeling for a father. I won?t sugarcoat it?this is truly horrible. It?s hardly the first time my candidate didn?t win (in fact it?s the sixth time) but it is the first time that a thoroughly incompetent pig with dangerous ideas, a serious psychiatric disorder, no knowledge of the world and no curiosity to learn has.
And it wasn?t just Donald Trump who won last night?it was his supporters too. The Klan won last night. White nationalists. Sexists, racists and buffoons. Angry young white men who think rap music and Cinco de Mayo are a threat to their way of life (or are the reason for their way of life) have been given cause to celebrate. Men who have no right to call themselves that and who think that women who aspire to more than looking hot are shrill, ugly, and otherwise worthy of our scorn rather than our admiration struck a blow for misogynistic shitheads everywhere. Hate was given hope. Abject dumbness was glamorized as being ?the fresh voice of an outsider? who?s going to ?shake things up.? (Did anyone bother to ask how? Is he going to re-arrange the chairs in the Roosevelt Room?) For the next four years, the President of the United States, the same office held by Washington and Jefferson, Lincoln and Teddy Roosevelt, F.D.R., J.F.K. and Barack Obama, will be held by a man-boy who?ll spend his hours exacting Twitter vengeance against all who criticize him (and those numbers will be legion). We?ve embarrassed ourselves in front of our children and the world.
And the world took no time to react. The Dow futures dropped 7000 points overnight. Economists are predicting a deep and prolonged recession. Our NATO allies are in a state of legitimate fear. And speaking of fear, Muslim-Americans, Mexican-Americans and African-Americans are shaking in their shoes. And we?d be right to note that many of Donald Trump?s fans are not fans of Jews. On the other hand, there is a party going on at ISIS headquarters. What wouldn?t we give to trade this small fraction of a man for Richard Nixon right now?
So what do we do?
First of all, we remember that we?re not alone. A hundred million people in America and a billion more around the world feel exactly the same way we do.
Second, we get out of bed. The Trumpsters want to see people like us (Jewish, ?coastal elites,? educated, socially progressive, Hollywood?) sobbing and wailing and talking about moving to Canada. I won?t give them that and neither will you. Here?s what we?ll do?
?we?ll fucking fight. (Roxy, there?s a time for this kind of language and it?s now.) We?re not powerless and we?re not voiceless. We don?t have majorities in the House or Senate but we do have representatives there. It?s also good to remember that most members of Trump?s own party feel exactly the same way about him that we do. We make sure that the people we sent to Washington?including Kamala Harris?take our strength with them and never take a day off.
We get involved. We do what we can to fight injustice anywhere we see it?whether it?s writing a check or rolling up our sleeves. Our family is fairly insulated from the effects of a Trump presidency so we fight for the families that aren?t. We fight for a woman to keep her right to choose. We fight for the First Amendment and we fight mostly for equality?not for a guarantee of equal outcomes but for equal opportunities. We stand up.
America didn?t stop being America last night and we didn?t stop being Americans and here?s the thing about Americans: Our darkest days have always?always?been followed by our finest hours.
Roxy, I know my predictions have let you down in the past, but personally, I don?t think this guy can make it a year without committing an impeachable crime. If he does manage to be a douche nozzle without breaking the law for four years, we?ll make it through those four years. And three years from now we?ll fight like hell for our candidate and we?ll win and they?ll lose and this time they?ll lose for good. Honey, it?ll be your first vote.
The battle isn?t over, it?s just begun. Grandpa fought in World War II and when he came home this country handed him an opportunity to make a great life for his family. I will not hand his granddaughter a country shaped by hateful and stupid men. Your tears last night woke me up, and I?ll never go to sleep on you again.
Love,
Dad
I love watching arrogant, self-righteous, elitists throwing hissy fits at people with 1/10000 their net worth. Are they going to sell their Palisades mansion and take their kids out of Harvard Westlake and send them to LAUSD so they can give their money to the folks who are supposed to be abused by President Trump? Of course not, they're just going to throw hissy fits.
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Don't drag my name in your conspiracy theory and other statements.
BangBros said:Maybe a movement is necessary. This could unite the undocumented hispanics and the Muslims who are so afraid of Trump. When people come together and unite, perhaps they'll begin to be more accepting of each other.
Look at Americans today. They're so scared of the Niqab/Hajib wearing Muslims that they're automatically suspected to be a terrorist. Once the revolution is won, maybe people will realize, hey, we can be friends with Muslims and they're not so bad after all !!!
Don't lie to me eyephone. I bet if I had a two rows of these woman sitting next to you on your plane, it'd give you a little mind-fuck.
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The Republican mantra is "less regulation." Wouldn't the slapping of 35% tariffs on domestic imported autos increase regulation? Wouldn't that also be the government "picking winners and losers" - something Republicans claim to abhor?
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