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BangBros said:
tim said:
Just because something is legal does not mean it is moral/ethical/good or desirable in the leader of the free world. It is legal to wear nothing but shorts and a halter top; I don't want our president to do it. It is legal to frequently tease children; I don't want our president to do it. It is legal to lose a billion dollars; I don't want our president to do it.

Just because most companies value the dollar more than anything else does not make it good. This greed is killing us.
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I don't think you're understanding.  Mr. Trump, as much as a a-hole as he is to men, woman, and children was running a multi-billion dollar business.  Some of us will NEVER know what that feels like.
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I understand perfectly. He is a complete narcissist who cares about no one but himself.

Secondly, when running a multi-billion dollar business, you have a fiduciary responsibility to reduce costs, tax burden, and increase earnings for not just yourself but also your shareholders.  At the end of the day, in the free market, you must answer to your shareholders.  And that is what he did.  If you think for one second, his shareholders in '96 disagreed with what he is doing, then clearly, I think you should stop investing in your 401K, IRA, etc. and just put your cash under the mattress.
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It is you that does not understand. He got his $1 billion tax break by passing those losses off to the investors of Trump Hotels and Casino Resorts, which was a complete disaster. It lost money every year. During Trump?s 13 years as chairman, the company lost $1.1 billion. Trump stock fell from a high of $35 to just 17 cents, wiping out investors. So, yes, I do think his shareholders disagreed with what he was doing. If you had some of your investments in it, you would, too. He increased earnings for himself, but not for anyone else.


Everyone of us who have stocks, 401ks, IRAs, are all shareholders in a sense.  If you found out that your Apple stocks was worth $1 million, but because Apple failed to deduct losses, capital equipment, depreciation, etc.etc. and that costed shareholders $600,000, leaving your stocks worth only $400,000 , I'm sure heads will row and a lawsuit will transpire.

Don't be a hypocrite.

I want every company that my 401k/IRA/Roth IRA funds have an invested interests in, to MAXIMIZE profits for ME when I retire to the FULLEST extent of the law legally possible.
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I don't. I want profits to be considered along with other things. I don't want money at the cost of destroying our country, environment, ethics, and civic responsibility. The fact that you want this shows you are part of the short-sighted, greedy group that is not good for this country or this world.
 
There remains precious little time for Trump to get more folks who might be inclined to support Trump, to become enthused, actually register, and then get out and vote. Defending his tax situation will burn many days/weeks. Clinton can continue to "run out the clock" just taking a knee and running another play.

The Tax-Returns Story May Eat Up Precious Time For Trumphttp://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-tax-returns-story-may-eat-up-precious-time-for-trump/
 
The US is a frightening dangerous third world place and ONLY TRUMP can fix it! Nobody else can. Nope. No one.

Why aren't you as angry as me!?!  >:D >:(
 
Perspective said:
The US is a frightening dangerous third world place and ONLY TRUMP can fix it! Nobody else can. Nope. No one.

Why aren't you as angry as me!?!  >:D >:(
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You forgot, we are losing to Gy-nah (China)

Btw did you watch SNL, it was helarious.
 
Wow, BangBros, you've gone off on some weird tangent. You are saying that since many do a thing, including criminals, it is good. I disagree. Also, I do not live in Irvine. I did not grow up in Irvine. You presume to know things that you do not. Is humility a foreign concept to you?

You list many companies that have lost money. How many of those companies you cited went out of business after the CEO got to count the loss on his personal tax return? Legal? I don't know and I don't care. Scummy? Absolutely.

You talk about the poor in various places in the world. And you think I should then want to vote for a guy that rips off the poor?

I grew up poor. And as I grew up, I came to understand what greedy, selfish, short-sighted, narcissistic people look like. Trump is one. You are starting to sound like one. Business is filled with them. People who want money and power at any cost. They deceive themselves when they tell themselves that what they do is okay because everyone does it. But not everyone does it. They just stop having people around them that do not do it.

Before you said that Trump was okay because what he did was in the best interest of his shareholders. When I showed you that it wasn't, you then moved the goal post. You need to pick something and stick with it. Your argument style reminds me of Trump. Justify poor behavior by whatever comes to mind.

Just because you want to get rich, doesn't mean you should treat people like crap, even if it is legal. I DON'T CARE if what Trump did is legal. I am not trying to put him in jail. This is about whether he should be President. I don't want someone to be the most powerful person in the world who only cares about himself and making himself rich. He doesn't care about anyone else. He has a history of using bankruptcies and bullying to get out of paying his debts. I think that is really horrible behavior. The man has no honor. He has gotten out of paying poor and middle-class people by threatening to take the issue to court, which they cannot afford. He knows it. It is a power trip to him. He is disgusting. He doesn't care who he hurts.

Again, not all things legal are good. I know how the world works. That doesn't mean I want the President to be the worst of it. Trump is the worst of it.

Also, there is no shortage of reporting of laws he has broken: Trump Foundation in NY, doing business with Cuba, bribing the AG in Florida, etc.
 
eyephone said:
Perspective said:
The US is a frightening dangerous third world place and ONLY TRUMP can fix it! Nobody else can. Nope. No one.

Why aren't you as angry as me!?!  >:D >:(
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You forgot, we are losing to Gy-nah (China)

Btw did you watch SNL, it was helarious.
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Alec Baldwin is the best Trump impersonator ever.

Now I know why Hillary had that smug smile on during the debate... like the skit, she should have just let Trump talk most of the time.

 
irvinehomeowner said:
eyephone said:
Perspective said:
The US is a frightening dangerous third world place and ONLY TRUMP can fix it! Nobody else can. Nope. No one.

Why aren't you as angry as me!?!  >:D >:(
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You forgot, we are losing to Gy-nah (China)

Btw did you watch SNL, it was helarious.
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Alec Baldwin is the best Trump impersonator ever.

Now I know why Hillary had that smug smile on during the debate... like the skit, she should have just let Trump talk most of the time.
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Agreed. The only thing Alec should add to perfect his Trump, is squinting his eyes more, and using his hand gestures much more - especially that "okay" sign Trump excessively seems to have up in the air with one hand or the other.
 
So Whose voting what?  :P

I'm probably going to sit this election out.  I don't like either candidate.  One should be in jail and the other might start a world war.  I would love a woman president but not her (michelle Obama might be a decent choice in the future) and I would love a non politician (but not him)...i'll just close my eyes and pray  >:D

I kind of wish Bernie Sanders went on to run independent to give us a 3rd choice...although socialist aspects of his campaign might not be suitable for the US which is mostly capitalist
 
SoclosetoIrvine said:
So Whose voting what?  :P

I'm probably going to sit this election out.  I don't like either candidate.  One should be in jail and the other might start a world war.  I would love a woman president but not her (michelle Obama might be a decent choice in the future) and I would love a non politician (but not him)...i'll just close my eyes and pray  >:D

I kind of wish Bernie Sanders went on to run independent to give us a 3rd choice...although socialist aspects of his campaign might not be suitable for the US which is mostly capitalist
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Are there any good propositions we should be voting for?  Didn't really look through everything yet. 
 
Prop 51 - State bonds for schools.  Gov Brown says we shouldn't do this as it is better for local bonds which have more control.  Construction companies benefit from this.

 
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