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BangBros said:
I don't give a shit about Trump's tax return.  Any business man/corporation evades taxes like a wildfire.  They keep their money in offshore accounts and only bring enough of it here to pay the their employees a decent wage.  That's how all the companies I've worked for done it.

So I don't really care if Trump paid a billion or $0 in taxes because the white folks (board of directors/CEOs) who I've worked for are equally guilty of the same shit.

Now what I REALLY want to know is the content of those 30,000+ emails that were deleted.  If those emails are released, and they're clean, then I'm all Hillary 100%.  But if those emails are never recovered, I have to wonder what the hell were in them.
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The message that he carried is "Make America Great Again" do you think if all business leaders and. corporate titans follow his foot steps and hurried their money over sea and pay ZERO tax that would make America great again? Clintons have flaws and mistakes with emails she admitted it. Trumps on the other hands denied all the facts that she brought up against him. I am just a an average joe and I did not file for bankruptcy once and he a SUCCESSFUL man with 6 bankruptcies under his fat belly. America great when we are done with this election without trump.
 
BangBros said:
Compressed-Village said:
The message that he carried is "Make America Great Again" do you think if all business leaders and. corporate titans follow his foot steps and hurried their money over sea and pay ZERO tax that would make America great again?
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Uhh... news flash.. they're ALREADY doing it! 

"Nearly 20% of large U.S. corporations that reported a profit on their financial statements in 2012 ended up paying exactly nothing in U.S. corporate income taxes."
"General Electric, Boeing, Verizon and 23 other profitable Fortune 500 firms paid no federal income taxes from 2008 to 2012."
source:http://www.americansfortaxfairness.org/tax-fairness-briefing-booklet/fact-sheet-corporate-tax-rates/http://www.usatoday.com/story/money...-profitable-companies-paid-no-taxes/81399094/http://money.cnn.com/2016/04/13/pf/taxes/gao-corporate-taxes/

Every "business", "corporation", "small business" cheats the tax man in one way shape or form.  The Chinese restaurant on Jeffrey that says "cash only" is cheating the system.  The big dawg corporations are doing it.  Everyone who files a shitload of meaningless deductions are doing it.  It's just the degree of it, but everyone are all equally guilty of "making america great". 

So to me Trump is no different than Verizon, GE, GM, and the rest of the 20% of corporations.

I don't care about cheating taxes.  Because it's so prevalent in the business world.  I'm not saying it's the right thing, but if you going to hold that against him, then you should be sue-ing your own employer who is probably one of the top 20% in the US paying 0 income taxes overall.

Now, let's get to the REAL PRESSING issue. What was in THOSE emails!!??!?  Did they directly/indirectly cause the deaths in Benghazi?  What top secret information was emailed to her unsecured email server in her basements that apparently Wikileaks and the FBI got involved?  Lastly, why did her IT team all plead the 5th with the email scandal?
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it doesn't look too good when you argue that poor people paying no taxes = moochers and deadbeats and rich folks paying zero taxes = smart.
 
BangBros said:
peppy said:
it doesn't look too good when you argue that poor people paying no taxes = moochers and deadbeats and rich folks paying zero taxes = smart.
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I don't make shit up.  I back them up with facts and source
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I wasn't directly referring to you as a person. That has been the attitude coming from the Republican candidates. It's hard to change that narrative and hiding tax returns doesn't help that. That's all. Then there's the whole thing about debt and conflicts of interests. If EVERY candidate has released their tax returns in the last 40 years it just makes it seem like he is trying to hide something. And Trump can try to make it equivalent to releasing Emails, but the matter of fact is that not all candidates have customarily released their PST files. He can insist on it but that now looks like a double standard which also doesn't help his cause.



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Wait, so if the "smart" companies aren't paying taxes, why would cutting taxes keep them from moving jobs out of the country?

I'm all for cutting taxes, but Trump's argument on how that would keep jobs doesn't jibe if the companies aren't paying those taxes. The deregulation part makes some sense but at the same time, regulation is there for many other reasons (public safety, unfair competition, etc).

I totally dislike Hillary's rhetoric as it's the same political double-speak we hear all the time but she did win the composure battle. I only saw the first half hour or so, but you can tell that it was Trump who kept getting riled up as he continued to interrupt her "2 minutes" while she stayed silent most of the time during his turns. However, she really didn't answer the questions Holt asked her and spent a lot of her time criticizing Trump which I guess was her game plan to expose how irritable he gets.

Trump stance on foreign trade did stump Hillary and I wish he could have got more into the detail on why NAFTA was bad instead of just saying it was, that would have helped his case.

It seemed like Holt was leaning more favorable towards Hillary because he seemed to push harder on the issues with Trump but again, I only watched a portion of it.

My takeaway is the same as before the debate, Trump is a businessman and Hillary is a politician, he wants to get things done and she wants to make it seem like things are getting done. Even if Trump does become prez, I think he doesn't realize how hard it is to get your way when you're not the one who is really in charge.

If I had to bet now, HRC has the edge and will probably be our next prez... and I'm moving to Canada.
 
irvinehomeowner said:
Wait, so if the "smart" companies aren't paying taxes, why would cutting taxes keep them from moving jobs out of the country?

I'm all for cutting taxes, but Trump's argument on how that would keep jobs doesn't jibe if the companies aren't paying those taxes. The deregulation part makes some sense but at the same time, regulation is there for many other reasons (public safety, unfair competition, etc).

I totally dislike Hillary's rhetoric as it's the same political double-speak we hear all the time but she did win the composure battle. I only saw the first half hour or so, but you can tell that it was Trump who kept getting riled up as he continued to interrupt her "2 minutes" while she stayed silent most of the time during his turns. However, she really didn't answer the questions Holt asked her and spent a lot of her time criticizing Trump which I guess was her game plan to expose how irritable he gets.

Trump stance on foreign trade did stump Hillary and I wish he could have got more into the detail on why NAFTA was bad instead of just saying it was, that would have helped his case.

It seemed like Holt was leaning more favorable towards Hillary because he seemed to push harder on the issues with Trump but again, I only watched a portion of it.

My takeaway is the same as before the debate, Trump is a businessman and Hillary is a politician, he wants to get things done and she wants to make it seem like things are getting done. Even if Trump does become prez, I think he doesn't realize how hard it is to get your way when you're not the one who is really in charge.

If I had to bet now, HRC has the edge and will probably be our next prez... and I'm moving to Canada.
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Canada??? The weather is brutal in the winter. Believe me, I was there for an extended stay. Right before Thanksgiving and right after. In November and thereafter, you wish you never move to Canada.
 
Looks like Hilary won the debate.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...on-the-first-debate/57e9b033e9b69b3019a1e037/

Article talks about the results of different focus groups from key battle ground states: Pennsylvania, Florida, and Ohio. (The majority would pick Hilary) Also, the article talks about other moments from the debate, and post debate comments. This article is very informative. (If you want a summary of the debate read this article)

I watched the debate and it lived up to expectations.
 
I watched maybe 15-20 mins on the debate and I felt Trump just wasn't prepared enough to make a mark. He won some points but Hillary definitely came off as prepared and won the debate.  He needs some good speech and debate classes

In my opinion, Trump should've just stuck to main arguments instead of going around and around in circles and never really forming a point

In the talk about stamina (random as he**) she makes it a point to say she went to 100+ countries to negotiate a peace treaty and 11 hours in front of a committee...that should've been his golden opportunity "Why were you in front of the senate for 11 hours? Could you explain?" and it would lead up to the emails (her weak spot)...he could've easily brought up emails again in the convo about cyber terrorism but he just kept naming off people who supported him or even brought up Benghazi as secretary of state etc

I feel like the general public sees her as a liar.  Your whole debate should've been bringing up those points even in formal trump fashion...even if you never even talked about yourself lol and you probably would've won that debate in people's eyes...but instead you kept going on and on like a kid

Just to be clear, I'm not a fan of either candidate just seeing what I observed
 
I think everyone knew it was going to turn out this way.

I have to give props to HRC for goading Trump and succeeding, but she didn't really say anything of substance either.

I actually don't think it matters who "won" the debate, the same people who will vote for either candidate will still do so and for the undecided, they will just flip a coin or vote Gary Johnson.

#MaxDiscountsForPrez
 
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