Presidential Elections

[someguy]

Who was participating in an insurrection and trying to trespass. Sad that anyone lost a life... but should not have been there.

And you keep ignoring the people who died from the trauma of the aftermath but I know that's convenient for you.

I've been traumatized by the insurrection aka greatest attack of democracy of all time ever since forever. Please acknowledge me. I'm a victim in need of saving. I accept donations via BTC, paypal, venmo, and visa gift cards. I'm not asking, but if you want to setup a gofundme for me I'll accept that too.

 

[sgip]

GWB and Dick Cheney, authors of the Iraqi war (2003-2011), were directly responsible for the deaths of 4,400 American service men and women. During the war the entire Left and some few on the Right protested against the President and Vice President as they were considered to be war criminals. Here's a helpful 2011 article from the Left - The Atlantic - as a reminder.

Remembering Why Americans Loathe Dick Cheney

As the former vice-president releases his memoir, it's useful to recall the many reasons Americans disapproved of his tenure.

www.theatlantic.com

Flash forward to 2024, Dick Cheney endorses and will be voting for Harris.

Former Vice President Dick Cheney says he will vote for Harris

His daughter, former Rep. Liz Cheney, offered her endorsement of the Democratic presidential nominee earlier this week.

www.nbcnews.com

The hard Left have simply stuffed their principles down deep into their soul for the mere sake of winning power - as evidenced by some of the quotes here:

Kamala Harris met with furious reactions after praising Dick Cheney

Vice President Kamala Harris praised former Vice President Dick Cheney on Thursday, after his daughter Liz Cheney campaigned with her in Wisconsin.

www.dailymail.co.uk

The bottom line: It seems, dear reader, that you are so offended by a riot that got out of control that you cannot vote for one candidate. OK, then one has to ask how can you vote for another candidate who is thrilled for the endorsement of someone capable of committing mass murder - as I believe Dick Cheney is guilty of? The answer, to quote Logan Roy: "....you are not serious people...."

 

[Kalapa]

DARVO

As Trump said:

I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters.

For those of you wondering about the bizarre behavior of why facts don’t matter to some, here is the answer.

Trump's constant 'redefining of reality' to meet his needs of the moment, often with minimal connection with objective reality or in direct contradiction of facts

We just witnessed in real time, the use of DARVO right here on these forums.

This tactic is used by religious cults, abusers, narcissists, and propaganda machines like the CCP. The tactic works well, which is why it gets used so much.

Deny
Attack
Reverse Victim and Offender

Trump did not come up with the tactic. He is not intelligent enough for that.

It was perfected by his mentor, attorney Roy Cohn, the lead prosecutor of the Red Scare McCarthyism fame. (Does the “othering” by calling everyone Communists and Marxists sound familiar?)

Once you understand and see it, it becomes powerless.

The good news is that this behavior won’t go on forever. Its lead perpetrator is is exhausted and in mental decline. The immune system of Democracy also recognizes the game for what it is and is responding accordingly.

As Obama said,

“don’t boo, VOTE!”

Roy Cohn: The mysterious US lawyer who helped Donald Trump rise to power

As new film The Apprentice premieres at the Cannes Film Festival, a look at the cultural afterlife of political hitman Roy Cohn, who was Donald Trump's mentor in his early career.

www.bbc.com

 

[morekaos]

Puleeze…so anyone who died in a car accident a week later but was there was killed by an insurectuinist…..or committed suicide weeks later is a victim? No move along

 

[irvinehomeowner]

I've been traumatized by the insurrection aka greatest attack of democracy of all time ever since forever. Please acknowledge me. I'm a victim in need of saving. I accept donations via BTC, paypal, venmo, and visa gift cards. I'm not asking, but if you want to setup a gofundme for me I'll accept that too.

Puleeze…so anyone who died in a car accident a week later but was there was killed by an insurectuinist…..or committed suicide weeks later is a victim? No move along

And right on cue... Examples of DARVO.

The school yard counters are hilarious.

 

[morekaos]

Yah well your “liar liar pants on fire” defense really doesn’t work but…ok

 

[irvinehomeowner]

And again... with more emoticons.

 

[morekaos]

she’s going down like the Hindenburg

 

[irvinehomeowner]

Why do you even post polls? In 2016, they predicted Hillary to win and you ignored them, in 2020, they predicted Biden and you ignored them, now they are basically 50/50 and all of a sudden they are the arbiter of a Trump victory for you.

But it's okay to be wrong about science, facts and basically anything logical... because you have a boat... or you're just kidding.

If Trump loses (because really, that's what it comes down to, not Kamala winning but Trump losing), will you accept the election results?

 

[morekaos]

Because all those previous polls never took into account Trumps undercount…if they show a tie or within the margin of error… he is really ahead…if they show he is ahead…he is ahead by a ton. Those previous polls never showed him ahead… these do…she is doomed!

 

[morekaos]

I make my living with charts, what’s useful here is not always the raw number but the trend. The trend is your friend and in this case Trump is peeking at the perfect moment in time.

 

[morekaos]

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This unemployed Jack Smith?

'I would fire him within two seconds,' Trump says about Special Counsel Jack Smith​

WASHINGTON - Former President Donald Trump made it official Thursday: If he is re-elected, he would dismiss Special Counsel Jack Smith, who is prosecuting cases against him.

"I would fire him within two seconds,” Trump told radio show host Hugh Hewitt.

'I would fire him within two seconds,' Trump says about Special Counsel Jack Smith

Former President Donald Trump made it official Thursday: If he is re-elected, he would dismiss Special Counsel Jack Smith, who is prosecuting him.

www.aol.com

 

[irvinehomeowner]

Because all those previous polls never took into account Trumps undercount…if they show a tie or within the margin of error… he is really ahead…if they show he is ahead…he is ahead by a ton. Those previous polls never showed him ahead… these do…she is doomed!

Uh... 2020 polls? You kept claiming Trump victory then too.

Same with 2022 mid terms.

morekaos touch babeeeeeeeee!

 

[morekaos]

he did win that one,. but regardless…Biden had a significant lead going into the election in the polls. This time Kackala has no lead in the polls so when you factor in his under polling Trump way ahead of her….shes doomed!

 

[irvinehomeowner]

Because all those previous polls never took into account Trumps undercount…if they show a tie or within the margin of error… he is really ahead…if they show he is ahead…he is ahead by a ton. Those previous polls never showed him ahead… these do…she is doomed!

Actually... I want to back up and see if we can have a real convo here.

That is a good point that polls did not take into account Trump's undercount, but back then, Trump was an unknown factor so that makes sense.

But by 2020, Trump was very well known... and the polls were right.

Now, a POC woman as a presidential candidate could be considered an unknown factor (although she has been VP for 4 years), wouldn't that have some margin of undercount *you* are not considering?

That's why I think the polling is 50/50 but reality may actually lean Harris.

Still haven't answered if you will accept a Trump loss.

 

[morekaos]

Actually, no, the undercount is specific to Republican/Democrat adjustments to the polling models. They always over sample Democrats, it doesn’t matter who the candidate is…. this time will be no different. Trump’s numbers are greater than they show…. as I’ve said, if she does not show a lead greater than the margin of error, Trump is ahead in that poll….she’s domed.!!

 

[someguy]

@Kalapa You're a paid shill right? Or the best would be if you're actually @morekaos 's alter ego - a character he created to keep himself entertained

IHO - Why do people ask questions like "would you accept the result?" I see that on the MSM. It seems like a bizarre thing to ask so frequently. Would you agree to a specific reaction to something that hasn't happened yet? Do you promise to press the accelerator when the light turns green?

 

[irvinehomeowner]

I'm not on MSM.

I ask because Trump didn't accept the 2020 results. Why is that so hard to understand? You know what is a bizarre thing? Not understanding that you lost both the popular and the electoral college but still thinking you won.

It's not a hard question... I can answer it, if Trump wins, I have to accept it. I won't like it but I'm not going to say the election was rigged for 4 years. You know what that's called? A sore loser... or a delusional one.

 

[morekaos]

Crazy huh?

Hillary Clinton Maintains 2016 Election ‘Was Not On the Level’: ‘We Still Don’t Know What Really Happened’​

“There was a widespread understanding that this election [in 2016] was not on the level,” Clinton said during an interview for the latest episode of The Atlantic’s politics podcast, The Ticket. “We still don’t know what really happened.”

“There’s just a lot that I think will be revealed. History will discover,” the Democratic Party’s 2016 presidential nominee continued.

Hillary Clinton Maintains 2016 Election ‘Was Not On the Level’: ‘We Still Don’t Know What Really Happened’

Hillary Clinton is sticking with her conviction that the 2016 presidential election was not conducted legitimately, saying the details surrounding her loss are still unclear."There was a widespread understanding that this election [in 2016] was not on the level," Clinton said during an interview...

www.yahoo.com

 

[irvinehomeowner]

Yes... but did she encourage an insurrection of love and peace?