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This has not been a problem in the past.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/08/01/do-nfl-games-really-take-eyeballs-off-presidential-debates/
We can speculate that this would pull more Trump supporters from the debates. If there were a concurrent NASCAR event for each, Trump would lose many supporters' eyeballs. :-X
Good find. I hope the debate ratings crush it...and looking at the NFL games....that 1st debate (against a crappy Falcons/Saints game) should do just that.
I want to see Trump under fire with the whole country watching him and see how he blows his lid. Stephanopoulos went easy on him....HRC and those debate moderators won't be.
The VP debates, on the other hand, will be snoozers. I hope a Cops marathon is on SpikeTV those nights.
Maybe Trump will have his "Nixon Moment" sweating profusely causing spray-tan run-off to change his shirt collar from white to burnt orange, all while appearing completely uncomfortable?
What's interesting is that with all the talk of the Dems being favored by the electoral map, the only recent president to win with the electoral map but not the general election is a Republican (George W Bush 2000).
Losing horribly TO A WOMAN WITH SIMILARLY SIZED HANDS is the best.
paydawg said:
This has not been a problem in the past.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/08/01/do-nfl-games-really-take-eyeballs-off-presidential-debates/
Perspective
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paydawg said:
We can speculate that this would pull more Trump supporters from the debates. If there were a concurrent NASCAR event for each, Trump would lose many supporters' eyeballs. :-X
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peppy said:
Good find. I hope the debate ratings crush it...and looking at the NFL games....that 1st debate (against a crappy Falcons/Saints game) should do just that.
I want to see Trump under fire with the whole country watching him and see how he blows his lid. Stephanopoulos went easy on him....HRC and those debate moderators won't be.
The VP debates, on the other hand, will be snoozers. I hope a Cops marathon is on SpikeTV those nights.
Perspective
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paydawg said:
Maybe Trump will have his "Nixon Moment" sweating profusely causing spray-tan run-off to change his shirt collar from white to burnt orange, all while appearing completely uncomfortable?
Perspective
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NBC/WSJ Poll: Hillary Clinton Jumps to Nine Point Lead Over Donald Trump
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/fir...nton-jumps-nine-point-lead-over-trump-n623131
"In this latest poll, Clinton enjoys a significant advantage among women (51 percent to Trump's 35 percent), African Americans (91 percent to 1 percent), all non-white voters (69 percent to 17 percent), young voters (46 percent to 34 percent), and white voters with a college degree (47 percent to 40 percent)."
There's no sugarcoating these trends. You can't tailor-focus your message to working-class Rustbelt White men and expect much of anyone else to listen.
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/fir...nton-jumps-nine-point-lead-over-trump-n623131
"In this latest poll, Clinton enjoys a significant advantage among women (51 percent to Trump's 35 percent), African Americans (91 percent to 1 percent), all non-white voters (69 percent to 17 percent), young voters (46 percent to 34 percent), and white voters with a college degree (47 percent to 40 percent)."
There's no sugarcoating these trends. You can't tailor-focus your message to working-class Rustbelt White men and expect much of anyone else to listen.
Perspective
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The Electoral College map today, is not pretty if you're a Republican:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/2016_elections_electoral_college_map.html
What's worse, is if these spreads hold, or even worsen, Republicans will lose seats in the Senate, House, and in state races, not just the Presidency.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/2016_elections_electoral_college_map.html
What's worse, is if these spreads hold, or even worsen, Republicans will lose seats in the Senate, House, and in state races, not just the Presidency.
Perspective
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Trump is being justifiably mocked for yet another specious argument:
Twitter Users Hilariously Troll Trump With #ManyPeopleAreSaying Memehttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-many-people-are-saying_us_57a95219e4b06adc11f14357?
Twitter Users Hilariously Troll Trump With #ManyPeopleAreSaying Memehttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-many-people-are-saying_us_57a95219e4b06adc11f14357?
Perspective
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Nate Silver has Clinton at an 87.5% probability today:
Who will win the presidency?http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/
Who will win the presidency?http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/
paperboyNC
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Perspective said:
What's interesting is that with all the talk of the Dems being favored by the electoral map, the only recent president to win with the electoral map but not the general election is a Republican (George W Bush 2000).
nosuchreality
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Keep in mind Clinton won in 1992 with something in the 43% of votes range. Both elections were sub-50%.
Either way, Trump losing, IMO, is a good thing. Losing horribly is better.
Frankly, I hope Gary Johnson makes the hurdle to show up for the debates. Trump coming in third would do the country good, IMHO.
All that said, the polls scare me. While Clinton is looking strong on the electoral map, it's based off of individual State races.
While all sides have their rabid supporters, how many of the 15-20% barely made up their minds are telling the truth and won't flipflop?
A good example is the forecast showing Clinton chance of winning Florida, and the two most recent polls show Jul 31-Aug 7 43%/43%/7% which means 7% undecided others, 43% Clinton, 43% Trump, 7% Johnson. And 2nd most recent Aug1-3, 43/39/4 which leaves 16% unaccounted for on a small poll.
Then there is the question of, will people that vote for Trump actually say so on the survey?
Either way, Trump losing, IMO, is a good thing. Losing horribly is better.
Frankly, I hope Gary Johnson makes the hurdle to show up for the debates. Trump coming in third would do the country good, IMHO.
All that said, the polls scare me. While Clinton is looking strong on the electoral map, it's based off of individual State races.
While all sides have their rabid supporters, how many of the 15-20% barely made up their minds are telling the truth and won't flipflop?
A good example is the forecast showing Clinton chance of winning Florida, and the two most recent polls show Jul 31-Aug 7 43%/43%/7% which means 7% undecided others, 43% Clinton, 43% Trump, 7% Johnson. And 2nd most recent Aug1-3, 43/39/4 which leaves 16% unaccounted for on a small poll.
Then there is the question of, will people that vote for Trump actually say so on the survey?
Perspective
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nosuchreality said:
Losing horribly TO A WOMAN WITH SIMILARLY SIZED HANDS is the best.
Perspective
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Will he debate? He hasn't shown much interest in preparing for domestic nor foreign policy details to date. Is he going to cram study this stuff so as to not appear as completely uniformed? His poll numbers in swing states continue to worsen, so he has little to lose debating at this point, except for maybe a deteriorating integrity level.
His energy level this morning at the NAHB speech, his return to rambling speech (as opposed to sticking to prepared remarks from a teleprompter), his return to inflammatory speech, and his repeated comments suggesting he might lose the election, all suggest to me he'll find a reason to avoid the debates.
His energy level this morning at the NAHB speech, his return to rambling speech (as opposed to sticking to prepared remarks from a teleprompter), his return to inflammatory speech, and his repeated comments suggesting he might lose the election, all suggest to me he'll find a reason to avoid the debates.
It all suggests to me that he was never really interested in being president and was more interested in building his brand and ego but not ready to truly run the country. I'm still convinced him and his billionaire chronies (plus ole Bill Clinton) decided this would be a fun stunt to hand Hillary the election.Perspective said:
Who in the right mind says this?
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/08/11/trump-if-i-lose-ill-have-a-nice-long-vacation.html
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/08/11/trump-if-i-lose-ill-have-a-nice-long-vacation.html
sgip
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With the Olympics and Back To School, no one really is paying any attention to the details. There's no sense investing in ads during August. Expect things to warp into overdrive after 9/15/16 (post "I'm the bigger 9/11 patriot" hoo-ha) with the inevitable "October Surprise" coming. People have very, very short memories and minds get made up late in the game. All the stuff going on now is keeping the base from falling asleep.
I enjoy hearing from the Right that Trump was put in the election cycle to aid the Clinton's to win in November, then after the DNC E-mail dump, the Left was all "Trump and Putin are forming the VOLTRON of DOOM, trying to defeat Hillary". That's quite the long game strategy Trump's playing if both sides of the aisle say he's out to get each of them.
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I enjoy hearing from the Right that Trump was put in the election cycle to aid the Clinton's to win in November, then after the DNC E-mail dump, the Left was all "Trump and Putin are forming the VOLTRON of DOOM, trying to defeat Hillary". That's quite the long game strategy Trump's playing if both sides of the aisle say he's out to get each of them.
My .02c