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eyephone said:

Our country has sunk way beyond any of these remarks being disqualifying for office. At least he is making the other side mad, so the fox-watching, "family values" evangelicals will still elect him.  After all the only thing they believe in is "winning " .  Maybe his election will be the rock bottom we need to hit before the purge starts.

The VICE news segment on these Alabama GOP voters is cringe-inducing, what century are they living in ...
https://news.vice.com/story/why-these-alabama-voters-are-sticking-by-roy-moore


 
jmoney74 said:
Has to been confirmed that it was just the date she wrote in? 

Moore says he didn't even know her though.

She wrote in the date and restaurant name, and presented them as evidence that Roy Moore frequented the restaurant where the alleged assault occurred.

Still undetermined is whether she also wrote the "D.A." after his signature, which would be peculiar because he was never the DA but rather a Deputy DA before going into private practice.  Later as a judge, he ruled against her in a divorce case and the initials D.A. followed his stamped signature on that document and were the initials of his legal assistant at that time.  It also means she had an authentic signature of his that she could use to forge the one in her yearbook if she was so inclined.

Gloria Allred could clear this all up by submitting the yearbook to a 3rd party authenticator but has, thus far, refused to do so.
 
eyephone said:
I guess Asians are considered yellow. Lol

This term has been around forever.  It's sort of outdated now, but you hear it among the tolerant left when they talk about all colors being equal for example.
 
morekaos said:
morekaos said:
irvinehomeowner said:
marmott said:
I don't think Trump's incompetency is the question here.

I just doubt that Isis is defeated just because they've be kicked out of Syria.

This.

It's not cognitive dissonance on our part, it's on Trump's. :)

Defeated is not the word I would use but you have to admit the ball has been advanced.  After 8 years of watching these a-holes execute people in the open square from drones and doing NOTHING we have at the very least weakened their cause.

There is simply no denying that the change in rules of engagement from Obama era to Trump have made a significant difference. I am sure that the Trump haters will still find some pretzel logic to try to discredit the man. Winning!!


Trump, Mattis turn military loose on ISIS, leaving terror caliphate in tatters

?I will?quickly and decisively bomb the hell out of ISIS,? Trump, who would name legendary Marine Corps Gen. James Mattis as secretary of defense, promised. ?We will not have to listen to the politicians who are losing the war on terrorism."

Just over a year later, ISIS has been routed from Iraq and Syria with an ease and speed that's surprised even the men and women who carried out the mission. Experts say it's a prime example of a campaign promise kept. President Trump scrapped his predecessor?s rules of engagement, which critics say hamstrung the military, and let battlefield decisions be made by the generals in the theater, and not bureaucrats in Washington.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/12/08/trump-mattis-turn-military-loose-on-isis-leaving-terror-caliphate-in-tatters.html

LOL citing Fox News. 

People still think that terrorism can be "beaten" like Germany in WW2.  That's not how asymmetrical warfare works.  By scraping rules of engagement and creating more collateral damages, you can win the battle in the shortterm but lose the war in the longterm.
 
Irvinecommuter said:
Liar Loan said:
eyephone said:
I guess Asians are considered yellow. Lol

This term has been around forever.  It's sort of outdated now, but you hear it among the tolerant left when they talk about all colors being equal for example.

What the heck are you talking about?

I'm talking about people referring to Asians as yellow people.
 
Liar Loan said:
Irvinecommuter said:
Liar Loan said:
eyephone said:
I guess Asians are considered yellow. Lol

This term has been around forever.  It's sort of outdated now, but you hear it among the tolerant left when they talk about all colors being equal for example.

What the heck are you talking about?

I'm talking about people referring to Asians as yellow people.

And who exactly has referred to them as yellow people?
 
Irvinecommuter said:
Liar Loan said:
Irvinecommuter said:
Liar Loan said:
eyephone said:
I guess Asians are considered yellow. Lol

This term has been around forever.  It's sort of outdated now, but you hear it among the tolerant left when they talk about all colors being equal for example.

What the heck are you talking about?

I'm talking about people referring to Asians as yellow people.

And who exactly has referred to them as yellow people?

"Now we have blacks and whites fighting, reds and yellows fighting, Democrats and Republicans fighting, men and women fighting. What's going to unite us? What's going to bring us back together? A president? A Congress? No. It's going to be God."

https://www.google.com/amp/thehill....oy-moores-five-most-controversial-remarks?amp
 
eyephone said:
Irvinecommuter said:
Liar Loan said:
Irvinecommuter said:
Liar Loan said:
eyephone said:
I guess Asians are considered yellow. Lol

This term has been around forever.  It's sort of outdated now, but you hear it among the tolerant left when they talk about all colors being equal for example.

What the heck are you talking about?

I'm talking about people referring to Asians as yellow people.

And who exactly has referred to them as yellow people?

"Now we have blacks and whites fighting, reds and yellows fighting, Democrats and Republicans fighting, men and women fighting. What's going to unite us? What's going to bring us back together? A president? A Congress? No. It's going to be God."

https://www.google.com/amp/thehill....oy-moores-five-most-controversial-remarks?amp

Yeah...I saw that but I was referring to this quote by Liar Loan:

It's sort of outdated now, but you hear it among the tolerant left when they talk about all colors being equal for example.

I am trying to figure out 1) who exactly LL means as the "tolerant left" and 2) when did they use the term "yellow people".
 
Irvinecommuter said:
And who exactly has referred to them as yellow people?

Well, a lot of Asian activists have referred to themselves that way:

Yellow Power: The Origins of Asian America
https://densho.org/asian-american-movement/

History of the Yellow Power Movement
https://www.thoughtco.com/asian-american-civil-rights-movement-history-2834596


Songwriters too:

Bruce Springsteen:

Got in a little hometown jam
So they put a rifle in my hand
Sent me off to a foreign land
To go and kill the yellow man

Born in the U.S.A., I was born in the U.S.A.
Born in the U.S.A., born in the U.S.A.

Come back home to the refinery
Hiring man said "son if it was up to me"
Went down to see my V.A. man
He said "son, don't you understand"

I had a brother at Khe Sahn
Fighting off the Viet Cong

They're still there, he's all gone
He had a woman he loved in Saigon

I got a picture of him in her arms now

Grandmaster Flash:

Whether you're here or you're gone
Right or you're wrong,you were meant
To be somebody from the second you're born
Don't criticize and knock one another
It ain't really that hard to just be
A brother,so be good speak up
Don't wait for it to happen,life is
Passing you by and homeboy
You're cold knappin'
Don't get hung up on what you're not
Be proud of what you are and whatever
You got!
Cause it's a cold cruel world causing
Kids to cry,if you're hangin'
Your head,cold kiss it goodbye
Stand up for your heritage,rejoice
In the fact
Whether you're red,white,tan
Yellow,brown or black

The last couple lines of the Grandmaster Flash lyric is what I was referring to as a common refrain among the tolerant left, that it doesn't matter if you are black, white, red, brown, yellow, blue, green, or purple.  We are all just one race.
 
Liar Loan said:
Irvinecommuter said:
And who exactly has referred to them as yellow people?

Well, a lot of Asian activists have referred to themselves that way:

Yellow Power: The Origins of Asian America
https://densho.org/asian-american-movement/

History of the Yellow Power Movement
https://www.thoughtco.com/asian-american-civil-rights-movement-history-2834596


Songwriters too:

Bruce Springsteen:

Got in a little hometown jam
So they put a rifle in my hand
Sent me off to a foreign land
To go and kill the yellow man

Born in the U.S.A., I was born in the U.S.A.
Born in the U.S.A., born in the U.S.A.

Come back home to the refinery
Hiring man said "son if it was up to me"
Went down to see my V.A. man
He said "son, don't you understand"

I had a brother at Khe Sahn
Fighting off the Viet Cong

They're still there, he's all gone
He had a woman he loved in Saigon

I got a picture of him in her arms now

Grandmaster Flash:

Whether you're here or you're gone
Right or you're wrong,you were meant
To be somebody from the second you're born
Don't criticize and knock one another
It ain't really that hard to just be
A brother,so be good speak up
Don't wait for it to happen,life is
Passing you by and homeboy
You're cold knappin'
Don't get hung up on what you're not
Be proud of what you are and whatever
You got!
Cause it's a cold cruel world causing
Kids to cry,if you're hangin'
Your head,cold kiss it goodbye
Stand up for your heritage,rejoice
In the fact
Whether you're red,white,tan
Yellow,brown or black

The last couple lines of the Grandmaster Flash lyric is what I was referring to as a common refrain among the tolerant left, that it doesn't matter if you are black, white, red, brown, yellow, blue, green, or purple.  We are all just one race.

Yellow movement is fundamentally different than "yellow" people.    Not sure how Bruce Springsteen has to do with anything.

When using the term "yellow people", it is a reference to others.  Yellow power is reference to oneself and the group you are in. 
 
Irvinecommuter - You asked "who exactly" uses the term "yellow" to describe Asians.  I've cited numerous examples.  What more do you want? 

As I stated originally, this not a new term.  It's been around for a long time, and even tolerant liberals are known to use it (case in point: Bruce Springsteen).
 
Liar Loan said:
Irvinecommuter - You asked "who exactly" uses the term "yellow" to describe Asians.  I've cited numerous examples.  What more do you want? 

As I stated originally, this not a new term.  It's been around for a long time, and even tolerant liberals are known to use it (case in point: Bruce Springsteen).

I love the "whataboutisms" that allows ultra-conservatives to do whatever they want...completely ignoring context or underlying meaning.
 
Irvinecommuter said:
I love the "whataboutisms" that allows ultra-conservatives to do whatever they want...completely ignoring context or underlying meaning.

Sorry for the whataboutism, but you are purposefully ignoring the context of Roy Moore's quote too.  It's not pushing a racist narrative.  He's saying the strife in our nation will only come to an end when the nation turns to God.
 
Liar Loan said:
Irvinecommuter said:
I love the "whataboutisms" that allows ultra-conservatives to do whatever they want...completely ignoring context or underlying meaning.

Sorry for the whataboutism, but you are purposefully ignoring the context of Roy Moore's quote too.  It's not pushing a racist narrative.  He's saying the strife in our nation will only come to an end when the nation turns to God.

I know what he said.  I also know that contextually Roy Moore thinks that America was last great when slavery existed and that Amendments 1-10 are the only ones that should exist.  I also know that Roy Moore believes that his Christian values is more important than the Constitution and yet claims that Islam is bad because Muslims are trying to impose Sharia Law.  He thinks the there should a law against homosexuality and that the Unites States should be church first and state second.

There are a million things that are bad about Roy Moore...his use of racially insensitive language in like no. 500 on the list.

Whataboutism.
 
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