Newer Irvine listings with crazy WTF asking prices from equity sellers

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was going in a different direction, as you've chosen to not include a lot of costs in your EW calcs. . .and reasonably speaking, it closed in oct of 2015, so more like 2.5 years vs 4. . . and assuming both properties owner occupied, would have advantage of being eligible for tax free capital gains treatment. . . .
 
Cultivate's listing is misleading, single loaded street? I thought in layman's terms, that implied a house with nobody behind you.

Calculating with the asking prices seems pointless.
 
Burn That Belly said:
LongIrvine said:
was going in a different direction, as you've chosen to not include a lot of costs in your EW calcs. . .and reasonably speaking, it closed in oct of 2015, so more like 2.5 years vs 4. . . and assuming both properties owner occupied, would have advantage of being eligible for tax free capital gains treatment. . . .

fair enough. you are correct. Let's do some math with the EW piedmont home. The home was built sometime last year in 2017, so he's only paid 1 year's worth of taxes up to 6-30-2018. (Let's assume he can sell it by the end of the month and incur no more property taxes). But he's going to get hit on capitalized taxes. But that's not our problem, that's a seller's discretion for selling early. We're just talking ROI in the least amount of time. BTW, I don't know what his original purchase price is, I assume it was $1.201M based on last year's tax assessment bill so it should be fairly close.

Home built - 2017
Asking price: $1,498,000
Property Taxes paid: $11,385.31
HOA @ 12 mos: $1500
Landscaping (approx): $20,000
Seller/buyer closing costs (6%): $89,880
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Total: $122,765.31

Home price paid ~approx in 2017: $1,201,686 + $122,765 = $1,324,451.

$1,498,888 - $1,324,451 = $174,437 net profit or 14.5% ROI.  (The ROI is calculated only against the original purchase price of home)

But you're right he will be tax penalized for selling early. However, the point is to show, it took EW home 1 year to hit 14.5% ROI but takes 2.5 years for the 2015 GP home to hit 10.9% ROI.

Keep in mind, for every year that passes, the GP home has to absorb the additional $6,615 in property tax difference ($18K for the GP home vs. $11K for the EW home) due to the extra MR. After 30 years, the MR is gone for EW but remains for GP.  ;)

I think after-tax CF makes more sense when doing personal investment analysis. The difference is not so large if you fully deduct MR.
 
Burn That Belly said:
bones said:
Agree. Pointless on asking prices.

Okay, I give you real world example then.

114 Baja. Piedmont in EW.

Originally bought for $1,084,000 in 9/13/2017. Re-Sold for $1,210,000 in 2/26/2018. $126,000 appreciation in 5 months. Wowzers.
https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/114-Baja_Irvine_CA_92620_M11996-92598

Only wrinkle there is that the buyer probably locked in that price in early 2017.  After commissions and closing costs, there's not a lot of meat left on that bone.  But hey, as the saying goes....no one every goes BK off booking gains.
 
USCTrojanCPA said:
Burn That Belly said:
bones said:
Agree. Pointless on asking prices.

Okay, I give you real world example then.

114 Baja. Piedmont in EW.

Originally bought for $1,084,000 in 9/13/2017. Re-Sold for $1,210,000 in 2/26/2018. $126,000 appreciation in 5 months. Wowzers.
https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/114-Baja_Irvine_CA_92620_M11996-92598

Only wrinkle there is that the buyer probably locked in that price in early 2017.  After commissions and closing costs, there's not a lot of meat left on that bone.  But hey, as the saying goes....no one every goes BK off booking gains.

That and looks like the closing price is with zero upgrades.  They didn't do a whole lot - everything looks standard but some minor upgrades to master bath + kitchen backsplash, they paved the backyard and staged the place. 

There's no doubt that there's money to be made esp if you buy in the early phases of a project especially if you are an investor and have the $$ to buy out whole motorcourts like someone did in OH.  But for an owner occupied home (which I know this isn't), this wouldn't make sense unless you just want to GTFO of Eastwood :)
 
Burn That Belly said:
bones said:
Agree. Pointless on asking prices.

Okay, I give you real world example then.

114 Baja. Piedmont in EW.

Originally bought for $1,084,000 in 9/13/2017. Re-Sold for $1,210,000 in 2/26/2018. $126,000 appreciation in 5 months. Wowzers.
https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/114-Baja_Irvine_CA_92620_M11996-92598
126,000
-72,000 (realtor commission)
-30,000 (backyard landscaping)
  -4,000 closing costs


  20k appreciation you mean?
 
ThirtySomethingWEquity said:
Burn That Belly said:
bones said:
Agree. Pointless on asking prices.

Okay, I give you real world example then.

114 Baja. Piedmont in EW.

Originally bought for $1,084,000 in 9/13/2017. Re-Sold for $1,210,000 in 2/26/2018. $126,000 appreciation in 5 months. Wowzers.
https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/114-Baja_Irvine_CA_92620_M11996-92598
126,000
-72,000 (realtor commission)
-30,000 (backyard landscaping)
  -4,000 closing costs


  20k appreciation you mean?

That listing paid 2.25% to selling agent so I'm going to guess 4.5% total. Only $54,450 in commission!

And no, appreciation and net profit from sale are different things. You only compare gross purchase and sale price to calculation appreciation.
 
Cares said:
ThirtySomethingWEquity said:
Burn That Belly said:
bones said:
Agree. Pointless on asking prices.

Okay, I give you real world example then.

114 Baja. Piedmont in EW.

Originally bought for $1,084,000 in 9/13/2017. Re-Sold for $1,210,000 in 2/26/2018. $126,000 appreciation in 5 months. Wowzers.
https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/114-Baja_Irvine_CA_92620_M11996-92598
126,000
-72,000 (realtor commission)
-30,000 (backyard landscaping)
  -4,000 closing costs


  20k appreciation you mean?

That listing paid 2.25% to selling agent so I'm going to guess 4.5% total. Only $54,450 in commission!

And no, appreciation and net profit from sale are different things. You only compare gross purchase and sale price to calculation appreciation.

Yea numbers look rich. They prob got some Chinese landscaper in there for cheap. But also have to factor in carry costs and taxes.
 
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