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Trump yesterday: I don?t think Russia attempted to interfere in our elections, I believe Putin

MAGA: exactly the right thing to say, sir

Trump today: Actually I MEANT to say the exact opposite of that

MAGA: exactly correct again, sir.

Trump is like a Jedi master with his storm troopers ? ?these are not the droids you are looking for ?  : )
 
fortune11 said:
Trump yesterday: I don?t think Russia attempted to interfere in our elections, I believe Putin

MAGA: exactly the right thing to say, sir

Trump today: Actually I MEANT to say the exact opposite of that

MAGA: exactly correct again, sir.

Trump is like a Jedi master with his storm troopers ? ?these are not the droids you are looking for ?  : )


Too funny, you got me laugh again.
 
Compressed-Village said:
fortune11 said:
Trump yesterday: I don?t think Russia attempted to interfere in our elections, I believe Putin

MAGA: exactly the right thing to say, sir

Trump today: Actually I MEANT to say the exact opposite of that

MAGA: exactly correct again, sir.

Trump is like a Jedi master with his storm troopers ? ?these are not the droids you are looking for ?  : )


Too funny, you got me laugh again.

We can all use a laugh .. and more thank you?s  :)
 
And on cue:

The president said his administration is "doing very well" in handling Russia.

But in the same breath, Trump said "no" when asked if Russia still poses a threat to the U.S.

That comment undercut his own director of national intelligence, Dan Coats, who said earlier this week intelligence agencies "have been clear in our assessments" of Russian election meddling and warned about "their ongoing, pervasive efforts to undermine our democracy."
http://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...-president-as-tough-on-russia-has-i-have-been
 
Irvinecommuter said:
This is the next talking point on Fox News.  The irony is incredible!

Conservative commentator Ann Coulter has called to "disband" the FBI, arguing that the bureau isn't the same as it was under former longtime Director J. Edgar Hoover.
https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1019678720813092864

FBI WAS SO MUCH BETTER WHEN IT WAS SPYING ON BLACK PEOPLE!


Also ? What?s getting lost in this dumpster fire is that the NRA was LITERALLY colluding with a Russian spy and within 24 HOURS, there?s a law that saves them from having to disclose their dark money donors to the IRS.

Now , thats  a thing that happened.
 
Amidst this chaos, clandestinely disclosed on a slow news Friday night, is the projection of our deficit surpassing $900B this year and $1T next year.
 
Perspective said:
Amidst this chaos, clandestinely disclosed on a slow news Friday night, is the projection of our deficit surpassing $900B this year and $1T next year.

Well...deficits only matter for Democratic administrations and if you are using them to benefit non-rich people.
 
Irvinecommuter said:
Perspective said:
Amidst this chaos, clandestinely disclosed on a slow news Friday night, is the projection of our deficit surpassing $900B this year and $1T next year.

Well...deficits only matter for Democratic administrations and if you are using them to benefit non-rich people.

Yes , the lazy minorities : )
 
Just imagine conservative reaction if President Obama considered handing over a former Bush ambassador to a hostile foreign power like Trump just did

But .... but ... economic anxiety !
 
Now I'm confused....

12 of Them Rooskies MUST be handed over to the United States! There are indictments!!!! (AKA "accusations without evidence yet presented in open court")

This is ok, however

ERMAGERD Putin asked POTUS to have a former Ambassador handed over to the Russian Federation and questioned about a criminal matter. (AKA "Also something that will never happen")

TREASON!

Interesting how this has become such a one way street on this whole matter. This who nonsense of a wonky "prisoner exchange" for information is complete foolishness. Too many pixels are being slaughtered over the subject at hand.

My .02c
 
Happiness said:
President elected by the people need not bow down to intelligence agencies.

But bow down to Putin?
Trump shouldn?t have accepted the soccer ball. The issue is more than Helsinki summit. Trump wants Russia to be part of the Group of 7.
 
Soylent Green Is People said:
Now I'm confused....

12 of Them Rooskies MUST be handed over to the United States! There are indictments!!!! (AKA "accusations without evidence yet presented in open court")

This is ok, however

ERMAGERD Putin asked POTUS to have a former Ambassador handed over to the Russian Federation and questioned about a criminal matter. (AKA "Also something that will never happen")

TREASON!

Interesting how this has become such a one way street on this whole matter. This who nonsense of a wonky "prisoner exchange" for information is complete foolishness. Too many pixels are being slaughtered over the subject at hand.

My .02c

Indictments are accusations with no evidence? I'm gonna go ahead and guess you're not a lawyer...
 
Happiness said:
President elected by the people need not bow down to intelligence agencies.

So, are the days gone of hugging, kissing and worshiping the flag and all police officers regardless? Sad.
 
Perspective said:
Happiness said:
President elected by the people need not bow down to intelligence agencies.

So, are the days gone of hugging, kissing and worshiping the flag and all police officers regardless? Sad.

The MAGA world will continue to sink to new lows to avoid ever admitting that they were wrong

supporting a traitor goes with the territory
 
Perspective said:
Soylent Green Is People said:
Now I'm confused....

12 of Them Rooskies MUST be handed over to the United States! There are indictments!!!! (AKA "accusations without evidence yet presented in open court")

This is ok, however

ERMAGERD Putin asked POTUS to have a former Ambassador handed over to the Russian Federation and questioned about a criminal matter. (AKA "Also something that will never happen")

TREASON!

Interesting how this has become such a one way street on this whole matter. This who nonsense of a wonky "prisoner exchange" for information is complete foolishness. Too many pixels are being slaughtered over the subject at hand.

My .02c

Indictments are accusations with no evidence? I'm gonna go ahead and guess you're not a lawyer...

Love is ... never having to say you are sorry (anyone remember that movie : )

Confusion is ... giving a mentally deranged person the benefit of doubt while suspecting a wide consensus your own national security apparatus presented with evidence. 

we are right there now in tinfoil hat territory  w the MAGA crew

 
FX show "The Americans" brought to real life ... 

Russia?s not meddling? Then explain Maria Butina.
by Dana Milbank
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...11bc1146b0b_story.html?utm_term=.f4ed7d6fc9ce

The yawning gap between the world as it exists and the world as President Trump sees it was on vivid display Wednesday.

A few minutes after noon, reporters in the White House were being ushered out of a Cabinet meeting they had been allowed to witness. One called out a question: ?Is Russia still targeting the U.S., Mr. President??

Trump replied with a shake of the head: ?Thank you very much. No.?

?No? You don?t believe that to be the case??

?No,? Trump repeated (though his spokeswoman would try her best later to undo it).

Just over an hour later, a striking young woman, with orange hair and a matching prison jumpsuit, was led, scowling, into Courtroom Four of the U.S. District Courthouse at the other end of Pennsylvania Avenue. According to the Justice Department ? Trump?s Justice Department ? this woman, Maria Butina, is a Russian national who, until her arrest Sunday, ?engaged in a years-long conspiracy to work covertly in the United States as an undeclared agent of the Russian Federation.? Her ?covert influence campaign,? directed by a senior Russian government official to advance Russia?s interests, involved international coordination, planning and deceit.

How is it possible that Trump can assert that Russia is not targeting the United States ? two days after he suggested it didn?t interfere with the 2016 election ? while just a few blocks away, his own administration is prosecuting a Russian for targeting the United States?

Butina did not speak but ran her hands through her long hair as her lawyer said she would be pleading not guilty. She sat, conferring quietly with lawyers, as prosecutors expanded on a written court filing packed with allegations right out of ?The Americans?: a duplicitous romantic relationship, an offer of sex for employment, a wire transfer to Russia and a possible plan to flee the country or be ?exfiltrated? by Russian intelligence.

Butina isn?t part of special counsel Robert S. Mueller III?s portfolio (regular Justice Department prosecutors are handling the case), and her alleged activities, trying to gain access to American leaders through the National Rifle Association, Conservative Political Action Conference and National Prayer Breakfast, were relatively anodyne. But unlike the Russians indicted by Mueller for hacking the Democratic National Committee and for running a troll farm, Butina is in U.S. custody. Here is possible Russian political meddling ? in the flesh.

In court, DOJ prosecutor Erik Kenerson claimed Butina has ties to the Russian intelligence services and oligarchs and was considered a covert Russian agent by a senior Russian official, believed based on descriptions in the complaint to be Alexander Torshin, deputy director of Russia?s central bank.

The 29-year-old Russian, attending classes at American University, was in a relationship with ?U.S. Person 1? ? a person who matches the description of Paul Erickson, a 56-year-old Republican political operative ? but prosecutors said Butina, in documents seized by the FBI, complained about living with him. They said she offered another person ?sex in exchange for a position within a special interest organization.?

Kenerson described her as an extreme flight risk, painting a spy-novel scenario of a Russian diplomatic car driving her to the border. (Butina?s lawyer, Robert Driscoll, conceding this theoretical possibility, asked the judge if he could consult with Russian consular officials in the courtroom.)

Kenerson displayed an FBI surveillance photo of her at a D.C. restaurant with a ?suspected Russian intelligence operative.? He also displayed a photo of Butina at the Capitol on Trump?s Inauguration Day, and described an exchange between the two: ?You?re a daredevil girl,? Torshin said in response to the photo.

Replied Butina: ?Good teachers!?

Kenerson said Butina had told the Russian official she was ?ready for further orders.?

With about 100 people ? several speaking Russian ? packing the courtroom, Driscoll argued that there were ?completely innocent explanations? for Butina?s behavior and that ?Ms. Butina is not a proxy for any of the serious and substantial issues our country has with Russia now.?

Whatever else Butina was, she was a savvy political actor. She believed in March 2015 that Republicans would win the White House, and that, to build ?constructive relations? with Republicans, she would use the NRA, which she described as the ?central place and influence? in the GOP and ?the largest sponsor of the elections to the U.S. Congress.? She got to ask Trump about Russia during a 2015 town hall and meet Donald Trump Jr. at an NRA convention.

This is what makes Trump?s utterances about Russia impossible to stomach. On Wednesday, even before he claimed Russia isn?t targeting America, Trump tweeted that people who ?HATE the fact that I got along well with President Putin? suffer from ?Trump Derangement Syndrome.?

No, what they hate is seeing Russia ? still ? infiltrating and undermining the American political process, and an American president who is willfully blind to it as he cozies up to the man responsible.
 
It?s the economy, stupid.

David Rubenstein: Democrats winning the House in November is no longer 'conventional wisdom' under healthy economy

The Carlyle Group co-founder David Rubenstein said it's less likely the Democrats win a majority of the seats in the House of Representatives during the 2018 midterms.
Rubenstein said that the healthy economy under President Trump and Republican leadership could mollify voters come November.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/17/rubenstein-dems-winning-the-house-no-longer-conventional-wisdom.html
 

Alleged Russian Spy Was Working to Infiltrate Religious Right As Well As Gun Groups


Butina also took advantage of Erickson?s links with the Christian right, as Slate?s Ruth Graham reports, though Torshin had his own relationships in that universe, having attended multiple National Prayer Breakfasts.

In 2016, according to a timeline compiled by the Washington Post, Butina emailed a Prayer Breakfast organizer to suggest that Putin might attend the following year. That didn?t happen, but she and Torshin attended. ?A new relationship between two countries always begins better when it begins in faith,? Butina emailed an organizer afterward, thanking him for a gift and for the ?very private meeting? after the breakfast. Butina was also part of a group that attempted to secure a meeting with the Trump campaign in May 2016 to talk about the persecution of Christians around the world, a topic of great interest to many American evangelicals.

Earlier, in 2015, Butina and Erickson also appeared on the radio show of conservative evangelical superstar (and big-time Trump promoter) Eric Metaxas to discuss gun rights and religious freedom ? topics that are strangely congruent in the conservative Christian circles in which all these birds flew.

The affection with which many Christian right figures hold Russia and specifically the gay-bashing Putin is hardly a secret, as I noted in 2016:

[Putin?s evangelical fan club] includes some pretty big names, like conservative Evangelical leader Franklin Graham, National Organization for Marriage leader Brian Brown, and American Family Association spokesperson Bryan Fischer. In almost every case it has been his distinctive combination of homophobia and Islamophobia that has made Putin one of the Christian right?s favorite international figures. The cultural conservative preference for authoritarian Christian Slavs who are fighting Muslims has ? carried over from the Serbs to their traditional sponsors in Moscow, and most especially to the former KGB officer who has revived Russia?s pre-communist tradition of militantly traditionalist Christianity.

So there is a U.S. religious constituency that very self-consciously supports Trump?s apparent interest in forming a new world order based on a Washington-Moscow axis, outflanking the decadent, secular, tolerant globalists of Western Europe.

Can any mega-church attendees confirm that the Trump doctrine was part of the weekly sermon? By the way, what ever happened to SoCal?
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligence...utina-tied-to-christian-right-gun-groups.html
 
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