Las Ventanas Plans 2+3 vs. Maricopa Plans 1+2

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woodburyowner said:
Just spoke to the agent at Maricopa.  Sounds like they are getting slammed with pre-quals and inquiries.  Right now there is no broker co-op.  She mentioned that Plan 2 model will be absolutely stunning.
There's some pent up demand for Maricopa as it's in the sweet spot of many buyers' ranges who are looking for that 4bed/3bath home below $1m.  Once sales slows a bit after the first few phase releases, they'll bring on some buyer incentives and the broker co-op. 
 
USCTrojanCPA said:
woodburyowner said:
Just spoke to the agent at Maricopa.  Sounds like they are getting slammed with pre-quals and inquiries.  Right now there is no broker co-op.  She mentioned that Plan 2 model will be absolutely stunning.
There's some pent up demand for Maricopa as it's in the sweet spot of many buyers' ranges who are looking for that 4bed/3bath home below $1m.  Once sales slows a bit after the first few phase releases, they'll bring on some buyer incentives and the broker co-op. 

I hope so, I'm over the initial hype of these homes, unless phase 2 has a drastic price reduction, I think I'll pass on those as well.  I have a deflating feeling about Irvine real estate, maybe I should start a thread over at ocreader. 
 
akim997 said:
sorry for the long post.  let's get this thread back on track...  im going to go to LV this morn to see if I can check it out.

What did you think of LV?  You should have no problem picking one of these up in phase 1, I registered and pre-qualified a few days before the pre-sale event and was offered to buy. 
 
i didnt get a chance to go over there, but i dont think id be interested in any early phase.  i may just get pre-registered to try and get one of the nicer lots over there.  phase 1 and 2 are closest to the toll road, so not very appealing in my opinion.  i should say plan 1 and 3 are the best, but i cant bring myself to do it.  plan 2 really does seem like the only decent floorplan over there.  family/great room design is really important to me and my family.  what's up with plan 3?  horrible... 
 
akim997 said:
i didnt get a chance to go over there, but i dont think id be interested in any early phase.  i may just get pre-registered to try and get one of the nicer lots over there.  phase 1 and 2 are closest to the toll road, so not very appealing in my opinion.  i should say plan 1 and 3 are the best, but i cant bring myself to do it.  plan 2 really does seem like the only decent floorplan over there.  family/great room design is really important to me and my family.  what's up with plan 3?  horrible...

Are the models totally done?  How did they handle Plan 3's great room?
 
shadax said:
akim997 said:
i didnt get a chance to go over there, but i dont think id be interested in any early phase.  i may just get pre-registered to try and get one of the nicer lots over there.  phase 1 and 2 are closest to the toll road, so not very appealing in my opinion.  i should say plan 1 and 3 are the best, but i cant bring myself to do it.  plan 2 really does seem like the only decent floorplan over there.  family/great room design is really important to me and my family.  what's up with plan 3?  horrible...


Are the models totally done?  How did they handle Plan 3's great room?


No the models are not done. The only way to see them is to pre-qualify and call the sales office for a guided tour.  Plan 3's Great Room has an awkward execution.  I'm no interior designer but when the TV view angle is corner to corner, it really makes the room small and dysfunctional.  This would be perfect for families who has a small TV or doesn't watch TV downstairs at all.  The only seat in the house that is good for TV would be the lone corner seat, while everyone else will need a neck brace after a few minutes of TV. 
 
ps99472 said:
shadax said:
akim997 said:
i didnt get a chance to go over there, but i dont think id be interested in any early phase.  i may just get pre-registered to try and get one of the nicer lots over there.  phase 1 and 2 are closest to the toll road, so not very appealing in my opinion.  i should say plan 1 and 3 are the best, but i cant bring myself to do it.  plan 2 really does seem like the only decent floorplan over there.  family/great room design is really important to me and my family.  what's up with plan 3?  horrible...


Are the models totally done?  How did they handle Plan 3's great room?


No the models are not done. The only way to see them is to pre-qualify and call the sales office for a guided tour.  Plan 3's Great Room has an awkward execution.  I'm no interior designer but when the TV view angle is corner to corner, it really makes the room small and dysfunctional.  This would be perfect for families who has a small TV or doesn't watch TV downstairs at all.  The only seat in the house that is good for TV would be the lone corner seat, while everyone else will need a neck brace after a few minutes of TV.

I hear you, I far prefer the "3-walled" great room.

 
ps99472 said:
shadax said:
akim997 said:
i didnt get a chance to go over there, but i dont think id be interested in any early phase.  i may just get pre-registered to try and get one of the nicer lots over there.  phase 1 and 2 are closest to the toll road, so not very appealing in my opinion.  i should say plan 1 and 3 are the best, but i cant bring myself to do it.  plan 2 really does seem like the only decent floorplan over there.  family/great room design is really important to me and my family.  what's up with plan 3?  horrible...


Are the models totally done?  How did they handle Plan 3's great room?


No the models are not done. The only way to see them is to pre-qualify and call the sales office for a guided tour.  Plan 3's Great Room has an awkward execution.  I'm no interior designer but when the TV view angle is corner to corner, it really makes the room small and dysfunctional.  This would be perfect for families who has a small TV or doesn't watch TV downstairs at all.  The only seat in the house that is good for TV would be the lone corner seat, while everyone else will need a neck brace after a few minutes of TV. 

Reminds me of the 2460sq ft model from CalPac homes as seen in Campanile, Los Olivos, Camelia, etc.    Fire place in one corner and tv viewing in another.  Here's an example...
http://www.redfin.com/CA/Irvine/20-Longvale-92602/home/7213164

While I love many things about this floorplan, this is one thing I really despised.    I wonder...  did BK have anything to do with this floorplan?    Didn't he work for CalPAc or something?
 
Akim, this is a nice home but man... $848,000!... This is the reality of the amount of $$ that one needs to have to own a modest home in Irvine.

You know.. I was honestly hoping that i could pick up a home like this for $650,000 back in the IHB days. When i came to the realization that it won't happen... I decided not to move to Irvine. I know that is the market rate in Irvine... but $848,000 seems just unreal to me for a home under 2500 sq/ft.

Akim, if i had to live in Irvine... I would just continue to rent... possibly forever.

20 LONGVALE
Irvine, CA 92602
 
From when I first saw the floor plans, I felt Plan 3's 1st floor wasn't laid out very well.

I modified a version of it trying to keep within the footprint of the original and adding a few features I felt were missing:

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It's a bit boxy, but I think the more open area gives you more flexibility with placing furniture to accommodate your tastes. The Flex area can be made into a seating area (even if you put a fireplace there), a piano area, an area for the kids to put their computer or video games or even a small dining area depending how you laid out the great room and then reducing the dining area next to the kitchen into a smaller nook dining area.
 
irvinehomeowner said:
From when I first saw the floor plans, I felt Plan 3's 1st floor wasn't laid out very well.

I modified a version of it trying to keep within the footprint of the original and adding a few features I felt were missing:

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It's a bit boxy, but I think the more open area gives you more flexibility with placing furniture to accommodate your tastes. The Flex area can be made into a seating area (even if you put a fireplace there), a piano area, an area for the kids to put their computer or video games or even a small dining area depending how you laid out the great room and then reducing the dining area next to the kitchen into a smaller nook dining area.
IHO, maybe your calling is to be an architect?  I like how you modify floor plans...maybe you should go work at Irvine Pac....errr TIC.
 
Heh... don't give me so much credit, architects do much more than cutting/pasting in Paint, they take into account structural integrity, aesthetics, building code etc etc... I just do things purely from a functional design.

BK could probably tear apart my modifications.

The thing I wonder about is when they commission the architects to design the home, how much research do they do in determining livability and functionality of the space. I don't know if the guys that design the TIC/IrvPac homes are actually people who have a family and live in these kind of homes or are young bachelors/DINKs that don't really understand the usage. They are just told... "Give us a 4/3 with 1 bedroom down and a Great Room".
 
So I modified my Plan 3 1st floor a bit more:

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I flipped the front half of the home to give better flow and allow me to create a separate dining/living area. There is an issue with the stairs, it has to be an L or U which would eat into the tech space on the 2nd floor.

I removed space from the Great Room area added it to the top of the kitchen so I think the footprint stays the same while retaining the same backyard space and adding a Cali Room (for Coltrane).
 
Stopped by today to take a look at the finished models at Maricopa.  Sales says they had about 900 people go through on Sat.  Today probably around 500.  Only 3 homes left out of the initial 8 homes in phase 1.  I guess they weren't able to sell out before the grand opening.  They have one plan 2 and two plan 3's left. 

So we venture into the plan 1 model and really spent a good amount of time there in gauging the floor plan and layout.  We think it is more functional then LV plan 3.  The Great Room is decent though a bit small for me.  The fireplace option will be a problem since you will lose that wall for a full sofa placement.  Kitchen window is great for cooking, too bad it's not in plan 2.  I can also see into the Great Room/TV from the Kitchen, not too bad.  Really like the little entrance from the garage to the kitchen, great for shoes/mud room, not so great for desk/chair, the door will probably hit the chair which is in the way.  Laundry room downstairs which I like, decent size for pantry/storage, not a walk in though.  Bath 3 has high ceilings, Bed 4 feels LV cramped, and coat closet is awkward with the sloped under stairs storage.  L shaped yard, has a 10 feet setback, the minimum, lots for all 3 models are 3,850.  Non-zero lots, you can walk from one side of the house, through the yard and to the other side.  Still very close to neighbors.  Going upstairs, you first see Bed 2 and 3, then Masters.  Good for kidspying per BK.  Nothing special about the Bed 2 and 3, decent size.  Master bed is not memorable as well.  Master bath is nothing special, good counter space with the attached dual sinks. 

Plan 2 model is next and upon entering I noticed a lot of people commenting on the foyer/entrance/den experience.  Plan 1 was mostly a "not bad" vibe (we were in there for so long, I start listening to people's reactions when they first walk in), while plan 2 gives a more "wow" feel.  The Den is now the dealbreaker for me.  It is big enough to be a separate TV/living room/study/guest room.  I think it is bigger then my current living room.  I think IHO convinced me about keeping it as a den, though sales said the cost for converting is about $2000.  It's great as separate living room spaces with enough room to not be claustrophic when watching TV.  Also by keeping it as a den, the coat closet is more tucked in, where in a bed 4 config., the closet opens into the foyer.  I believe the upstairs toilet is over the den and not the entrance for those who cares about that feng shui crap.  The Great Room is a much better size then Plan 1's.  Kitchen has a bigger island along with the walk in pantry.  Home management desk is in the Dining room which is awkward for me.  Definitely not formal dining, but who has time to do that anyways?  Garage entry is in the foyer, good and bad, at least the foyer is wide and open.  The bath 3 ceiling is not as high as plan 1's.  Storage door is across from toilet/sink, weird.  Single door out to the yard from Dining.  Again, yard is not that great, trellis covers longer area, if I barbecue there, I would feel cramped.  Fireplace is in a better spot, still lose that wall but at least you can put two sofas in.  But in the end, having two rooms downstairs for TVs is a win win in my book.  Going upstairs, you can make your BK pitstops before arriving at the Master.  Laundry room is pretty small, and it's upstairs.  Master bath seems inefficient to me.  I don't like vampire tubs and losing the counter space due to separate sinks.  Closet seems a bit small for this price range.  Shower is rectangular and not enclosed, don't look forward to cleaning the glass after every shower. 

Getting late, post up more pics tomorrow.  Next phase release seems to be coming up.  I hear from sales that I'm in the top 5 on the list.  We'll see what happens. 
 
Looks like we were all there on Sunday... too bad none of us know our secret identities or we could have compared notes.

Lots of FCBs, as commented on Saturday, but I did notice a good mix of non-FCBs.

If the Plan 1 had the laundry upstairs and a loft, we would highly consider it... we can live with a downstairs laundry if it's close to the stairs like Plan 3, but having it right next to the kitchen is bad planning. You have to walk your clothes through the kitchen and I'm not too keen on having my clothes smell like food.

As ps9 said, the foyer in Plan 2 is nice, esp with the double door option of the den which at least gives me one of the two extinct living spaces in Irvine's current floor plans. I don't understand why they didn't put a wall or short wall to enclose the master shower on the side facing the entrance. A short wall would allow the "openness" but retain the privacy and could also give some function to that area... if you reduced the shower size, you probably could have fit in a small "his" closet.

I agree with bones that a Plan 2 down with a Plan 2 up would be ideal. We like the upstairs loft space and the dual master closets (although the master shower is not enclosed). The island in Plan 3's kitchen was TOO big in my opinion. You could have reduced it by at least a third and then given the downstairs that gunshot layout of kitchen/dining/great room.

Drove by Las Ventanas to look-loo the outside of the finished models... was tempted to flash the bag'o cash to get early access but decided to wait until they were officially open because the Mrs. prefers furnished models. They look okay from the outside, I know ps9 said they were small but 4br+loft for $700k seems like a good deal compared to 4br+no loft for $865k for Maricopa Plan 2.
 
Maricopa Plan 2 (furnished)

Den (quite spacious, sectional couch, two wall desks, and a TV wall)

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Another view

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Entry/Foyer (wide, gives a roomy feel when walking in)  If selecting the bed 4 config, the coat closet would move into the foyer and the walkway would be narrower as well, since another wall will go up. 

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Bath 3 (wish the ceiling was higher but the stairs is right on top)

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Great Room w/Fireplace (long sectional and back table used as room divider)

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TV wall

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Looking into Kitchen/Dining

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Another view

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Fireplace

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Dining (need narrow, long rectangular table)

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Kitchen

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Counter/Stove/Oven

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Walk-in pantry (people liked this the most)

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Home management

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Door out to yard

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Trellis area

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Other side

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Tree between two houses on one side

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Another view

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Other side

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Lower view (fireplace blocks out entry?)

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Stairs up

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Twists around

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Bed 2

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Bath 2

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Bed 3

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Laundry

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Master Bed

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Another view

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Master commode and closet

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All hers

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Sink/Tub (not much counter space)

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Got squeegee? Where's towel rack?  There is one near the commode entrance but too far.

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Hi neighbor

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what is that about a 3 foot setback on the side of the house? may as well have been a zero lot and given you the space on the other side to make it more functional.
 
Is it me, or would others rather have more sink, counter space, than a tub jutting out into the bathroom? Wonder if no tub is an option?

My .02c

Soylent Green Is People.
 
qwerty said:
what is that about a 3 foot setback on the side of the house? may as well have been a zero lot and given you the space on the other side to make it more functional.
Technically, it's 5 feet... but is looks, feels and smells like 3.
 
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