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His value could not be lower.
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His value could not be lower.
Of course you can trade him...it will just be at extremely low value...and Fultz doesn't have a crazy dad.
They are a super flawed team and have been somewhat injured.
Lebron is not super focused either
It is really really bad for Lebron to miss the playoffs and his career is only going downhill from now.
Also, which FA wants to come the Lakers now?
But it should be understandable, I think the number of games he missed this season was the most in his career.
If he was healthy and played in most of the games, then I could understand how fans would be upset. Additionally, other Lakers players missed games to due to injury (or suspension).
I think AD still wants to. Regardless if they make playoffs or not, the Lakers are still a storied franchise that players would like to play for. Do people want to play with Lebron more or less than with Kobe? I feel that Kobe was one of the reasons why FAs didn't want to come to LA (and management).
That's not really the point...Lebron is not getting any younger and suffered the first serious injury of his career. There is no reason to believe that he will be any better going forward. Getting a no. 14 pick is nothing.
FO failed in the last offseason because they thought this was a "4 year process" when it really should have been a two year process. They should have offered Cousins a 5 year deal and get better players than who they picked up.
No one cares about the "storied franchise" thing...players who have the choice want to win and win now. Lebron brings a lot of drama and not many players want to be in his shadow.
George didn't want to come to Lakers and Kawhi is probably going to stay in Toronto or go to the Clippers. AD may want to come to LA but he does not have a choice and even if he signs in 2020...Lebron will not be anywhere close to where he is at now.
You never know. They could get a higher pick. There have been good picks at 14 and lower... Kyle Kuzma was #27.
Cousins was risky. I don't think any team was offering a 5-year deal to him. Didn't Cousins actually initiate the GS deal?
I agree that LBJ is probably on the downhill now but he is still better than much of the NBA.
I just don't see how making the playoff and losing in the 1st round is better than getting another draft pick.
I actually disagree on DRuss. It was not a mistake to trade him. People's opinion of him seems to have changed because he made the all star team in the weaker East (as an injury fill in). But is he is really a different player with the Nets than with the Lakers? Advanced stats would say NO.
DRuss with the lakers
40.8% FG, 35.1% 3PT, Defensive win share -13%
DRuss with the nets
42.8% FG, 35.0% 3PT, Defensive win share -15.4%
He is a well below average defender. Ranking around 50 among NBA guards. He is pretty much the same player on the offensive end in terms of efficiency. He has actually gotten worse on the defensive end. If you look at his true shot%, he is worse than Ingram/Kuzma, on par with Hart, and better than Lonzo.
He is also near the league bottom in assists to turnover ratio among point guards.
He's just shooting more while playing less defense leading to higher points per game. But it's really empty calories.
Without the DRuss trade, Lakers do not have Kyle Kuzma who is already a superior player and would still be stuck with mozgov.
Lonzo is a very good defensive player but a pretty bad offensive player. I disagree that Lonzo is "light years" ahead of Russ. Russ has taken the leadership role on the Nets team and made them competitive. He has developed as a player and a leader. Lonzo may get there but he looks lost a lot and his father does not help at all.
Lonzo, Kuzma, and Ingram are all good to very good players...but I don't see any of them to becoming superstars.
We need to lose more! ?Tank for Zion?
(There is a slim chance of the Lakers getting the first pick. But if we lose more ithe odds get better.
)
There is no upside of winning at this point.
Another point
Did Magic and Rob do a good job during the AD trade rumor?
(It?s like if you worked for a company and you found out your company got bought out and were most likely going to let go of all the employees. (another scenario company restructuring) Would you work as hard as before or would you be checked out?
I understand things happen. But there?s better ways of approaching it. Telling the young players that it?s a business is not a great approach in my opinion.
How about the veterans not including Lebron? Are they stepping up to the plate?
Lakers FO is amateur hour at this point. They did a poor job in the offseason and made it worse mid-season. Lakers are basically run by Lebron and Rich Paul anyways.
Trading Zubac was a big mistake.
His value could not be lower.
Irvinecommuter
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eyephone said:
Of course you can trade him...it will just be at extremely low value...and Fultz doesn't have a crazy dad.
Playoff push or tanking mode.
?Tank for Zion!? (Their odds of getting Zion is not high compared to other teams, but the upcoming draft class suppose to be good)
Let?s say the Lakers make the playoffs. Their seed will be like 8 and I assume would face GS. GS would win most likely.
?Tank for Zion!? (Their odds of getting Zion is not high compared to other teams, but the upcoming draft class suppose to be good)
Let?s say the Lakers make the playoffs. Their seed will be like 8 and I assume would face GS. GS would win most likely.
Irvinecommuter
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eyephone said:
They are a super flawed team and have been somewhat injured.
Lebron is not super focused either
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Lottery pick here we come...
irvinehomeowner
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I don't understand fans being upset at not making playoffs.
The team went through so many injuries and has a lack of chemistry that this season shouldn't really matter.
Getting a draft pick is much better than losing in the first round, isn't that what they were celebrating all these previous years when they missed the playoffs?
It's crazy how the Clippers traded one of their best players and are still better... personally I'd rather see them miss the playoffs too because they would lose their 1st round pick. I do think Jerry West is going to sign some big names next season for the Clips (Kawhi?).
It was a mistake to trade DRuss... he may not be as fast or as good on D as Lonzo but he can shoot a lot better which is what Lebron needs around him. And seeing PG13 go off this season makes you wonder why what could have been if he was a Laker. AD is great, but he gets injured so much it's worrisome.
The team went through so many injuries and has a lack of chemistry that this season shouldn't really matter.
Getting a draft pick is much better than losing in the first round, isn't that what they were celebrating all these previous years when they missed the playoffs?
It's crazy how the Clippers traded one of their best players and are still better... personally I'd rather see them miss the playoffs too because they would lose their 1st round pick. I do think Jerry West is going to sign some big names next season for the Clips (Kawhi?).
It was a mistake to trade DRuss... he may not be as fast or as good on D as Lonzo but he can shoot a lot better which is what Lebron needs around him. And seeing PG13 go off this season makes you wonder why what could have been if he was a Laker. AD is great, but he gets injured so much it's worrisome.
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irvinehomeowner said:
It is really really bad for Lebron to miss the playoffs and his career is only going downhill from now.
Also, which FA wants to come the Lakers now?
irvinehomeowner
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Irvinecommuter said:
But it should be understandable, I think the number of games he missed this season was the most in his career.
If he was healthy and played in most of the games, then I could understand how fans would be upset. Additionally, other Lakers players missed games to due to injury (or suspension).
I think AD still wants to. Regardless if they make playoffs or not, the Lakers are still a storied franchise that players would like to play for. Do people want to play with Lebron more or less than with Kobe? I feel that Kobe was one of the reasons why FAs didn't want to come to LA (and management).
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irvinehomeowner said:
That's not really the point...Lebron is not getting any younger and suffered the first serious injury of his career. There is no reason to believe that he will be any better going forward. Getting a no. 14 pick is nothing.
FO failed in the last offseason because they thought this was a "4 year process" when it really should have been a two year process. They should have offered Cousins a 5 year deal and get better players than who they picked up.
No one cares about the "storied franchise" thing...players who have the choice want to win and win now. Lebron brings a lot of drama and not many players want to be in his shadow.
George didn't want to come to Lakers and Kawhi is probably going to stay in Toronto or go to the Clippers. AD may want to come to LA but he does not have a choice and even if he signs in 2020...Lebron will not be anywhere close to where he is at now.
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Irvinecommuter said:
You never know. They could get a higher pick. There have been good picks at 14 and lower... Kyle Kuzma was #27.
Although LBJ's contract is 4 years, I do think they said it was a 2-year process. Didn't Magic say he would quit in 2 years if they didn't turn it around?
Cousins was risky. I don't think any team was offering a 5-year deal to him. Didn't Cousins actually initiate the GS deal?
I agree and disagree. Some players don't care about winning, just cashing it or playing with reputable team. Lebron does bring drama, some players don't want to play with him (like Kawhi) but some do.
Did it ever come out what happen with PG13? What I last read is the Lakers lost interest in PG13 (rumored because Kawhi becamse available) so that's why PG13 signed with OKC.
Well, on top of that, as I said before, AD is also injury prone, but maybe he can manage that better.
I agree that LBJ is probably on the downhill now but he is still better than much of the NBA.
I just don't see how making the playoff and losing in the 1st round is better than getting another draft pick.
irvinehomeowner said:
I actually disagree on DRuss. It was not a mistake to trade him. People's opinion of him seems to have changed because he made the all star team in the weaker East (as an injury fill in). But is he is really a different player with the Nets than with the Lakers? Advanced stats would say NO.
DRuss with the lakers
40.8% FG, 35.1% 3PT, Defensive win share -13%
DRuss with the nets
42.8% FG, 35.0% 3PT, Defensive win share -15.4%
He is a well below average defender. Ranking around 50 among NBA guards. He is pretty much the same player on the offensive end in terms of efficiency. He has actually gotten worse on the defensive end. If you look at his true shot%, he is worse than Ingram/Kuzma, on par with Hart, and better than Lonzo.
He is also near the league bottom in assists to turnover ratio among point guards.
He's just shooting more while playing less defense leading to higher points per game. But it's really empty calories.
Without the DRuss trade, Lakers do not have Kyle Kuzma who is already a superior player and would still be stuck with mozgov.
irvinehomeowner
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Well I did say DRuss wasn't as good on D and a better shooter than Lonzo, not Ingram/Kuzma. Lonzo's career numbers are 37% FG and 31.5% 3pt... and DRuss is a better shooter from 3 over Ingram/Kuzma.
They could have traded other assets for what turned out to be Kuzma. The one benefit of trading DRuss was shedding the Mozgov contract (which made cap space available for LBJ). They also got Brook Lopez who I think they should have tried to keep as stretch 5s are not common (although moreso today than before).
And don't get me wrong, i don't think having DRuss would have made this season better, but, he probably would have played more games than Lonzo... the best ability is availability.
Which brings me to my other concern that Lonzon/Ingram/BI/Hart are always injured. These are young guys and I'm not sure why they keep getting dinged up. BI I can understand as he only weighs 100 lbs, but as much as everyone points to LBJ's extended injury, the kids haven't been very available either... including the vets like Rondo, Javale and Lance.
They could have traded other assets for what turned out to be Kuzma. The one benefit of trading DRuss was shedding the Mozgov contract (which made cap space available for LBJ). They also got Brook Lopez who I think they should have tried to keep as stretch 5s are not common (although moreso today than before).
And don't get me wrong, i don't think having DRuss would have made this season better, but, he probably would have played more games than Lonzo... the best ability is availability.
Which brings me to my other concern that Lonzon/Ingram/BI/Hart are always injured. These are young guys and I'm not sure why they keep getting dinged up. BI I can understand as he only weighs 100 lbs, but as much as everyone points to LBJ's extended injury, the kids haven't been very available either... including the vets like Rondo, Javale and Lance.
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paydawg said:
Lonzo is a very good defensive player but a pretty bad offensive player. I disagree that Lonzo is "light years" ahead of Russ. Russ has taken the leadership role on the Nets team and made them competitive. He has developed as a player and a leader. Lonzo may get there but he looks lost a lot and his father does not help at all.
Lonzo, Kuzma, and Ingram are all good to very good players...but I don't see any of them to becoming superstars.
USCTrojanCPA said:
We need to lose more! ?Tank for Zion?
(There is a slim chance of the Lakers getting the first pick. But if we lose more ithe odds get better.
)There is no upside of winning at this point.
Another point
Did Magic and Rob do a good job during the AD trade rumor?
(It?s like if you worked for a company and you found out your company got bought out and were most likely going to let go of all the employees. (another scenario company restructuring) Would you work as hard as before or would you be checked out?
I understand things happen. But there?s better ways of approaching it. Telling the young players that it?s a business is not a great approach in my opinion.
How about the veterans not including Lebron? Are they stepping up to the plate?
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eyephone said:USCTrojanCPA said:
We need to lose more! ?Tank for Zion?
(There is a slim chance of the Lakers getting the first pick. But if we lose more ithe odds get better.
There is no upside of winning at this point.
Another point
Did Magic and Rob do a good job during the AD trade rumor?
(It?s like if you worked for a company and you found out your company got bought out and were most likely going to let go of all the employees. (another scenario company restructuring) Would you work as hard as before or would you be checked out?
I understand things happen. But there?s better ways of approaching it. Telling the young players that it?s a business is not a great approach in my opinion.
How about the veterans not including Lebron? Are they stepping up to the plate?
Lakers FO is amateur hour at this point. They did a poor job in the offseason and made it worse mid-season. Lakers are basically run by Lebron and Rich Paul anyways.
Irvinecommuter said:eyephone said:USCTrojanCPA said:
We need to lose more! ?Tank for Zion?
(There is a slim chance of the Lakers getting the first pick. But if we lose more ithe odds get better.
There is no upside of winning at this point.
Another point
Did Magic and Rob do a good job during the AD trade rumor?
(It?s like if you worked for a company and you found out your company got bought out and were most likely going to let go of all the employees. (another scenario company restructuring) Would you work as hard as before or would you be checked out?
I understand things happen. But there?s better ways of approaching it. Telling the young players that it?s a business is not a great approach in my opinion.
How about the veterans not including Lebron? Are they stepping up to the plate?
Lakers FO is amateur hour at this point. They did a poor job in the offseason and made it worse mid-season. Lakers are basically run by Lebron and Rich Paul anyways.
Trading Zubac was a big mistake.