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eyephone said:
Neither of those guys will command number 1.
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Neither of those guys will command number 1.
Yes the only way Fultz doesn't go first is if they trade the pick to another team to acquire Butler/Paul George. I do think they should deal the pick as their window is these next 2-3 years. I'd be dangling Avery Bradley and the pick right now and see who bites first. Looking at the top few teams in lottery, only a few might prefer a pass first PG.
I'm pretty sure the Bulls would prefer Fultz especially since Wade/Rondo are probably not going to be back after next year. Pacers have Teague so they probably need a better scorer so Fultz would be their pick. Out of the top 10 lottery, I could only see maybe Knicks/Phoenix/Sacramento needing a pass first PG but I don't think they gut their team for Lonzo Ball.
They'll lose in 4 or 5 games.
Fox is a great athlete but doesn't have a shot. Ball didn't guard him much during that game. Fox ran behind high screens and UCLA didn't have the guys to guard him.
Ball took a crappy UCLA team to sweet 16.
I disagree with need. We do need a real PG.
We do need an athletic wing. Hopefully get George now or later.
Would love cousins too. Get his head right. He is the best center in the league.
It's not quite as simple as "No kobe" What Boston did was absolutely fleece the Nets in what may go down as one of the most lopsided trades of all time with an all time bad GM in Billy King. So you need a Billy King to rebuild quickly. That fool put no protections on those 1st round picks.
"The Brooklyn Nets have acquired Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, Jason Terry and D.J. White from the Boston Celtics in exchange for Gerald Wallace, Kris Humphries, MarShon Brooks, Kris Joseph, Keith Bogans and three first round draft picks (2014, 2016 and 2018), as well as the right to swap first round picks in 2017, Nets General Manager Billy King has announced"
So what the Celtics did value assets over loyalty. They traded away their face of their franchise in Paul Pierce/Kevin Garnett and looked toward the future. Lakers did the opposite and valued Kobe's past achievements and rewarded him for it and let him retire a Laker. So you can just say "no kobe" and expect us to suddenly do better. Which is ironic as well because Kobe's general terrible play the last few years netted us a lot of nice assets in Russell/Ingram in the draft lol. Looking back, I probably still keep Kobe those last few years. As a diehard fan, I would've thrown a fit if I saw a headline "Kobe traded to _____ for x player and this pick" even if it improved our future chances.
In Hindsight, we could've rebuilt much better with Kobe still on the roster. Few things that come to mind, we should've kept Ariza and just paid the man instead of getting Metta World. We so desperately need 3 & D and he's thriving in Houston. Isiah Thomas verbally said he wanted to be a Laker many times but he didn't sign him and his asking price for a trade was low. We could've rolled the dice on a Harrison barnes instead of Mozgov/Deng contracts. You also can't forget "Basketball reasons" which would've gotten us at the minimum chris paul with the assumed Dwight howard following. So it's not just "no kobe" it's really lots of more complicated reasons why we are where we are.
But looking ahead, we got the #2 pick in a stacked draft. Hope the lakers do their due diligence in workouts and don't shy away from a non Lonzo ball pick. If we can find a gem, you draft him (looking back on Porzingis vs Russell). We have a non too shabby core of Russell/Clarkson/Ingram/Randle/Zubac and we just need to build on it. Hope we don't trade young players for a Paul George and just wait for him to come in 2018 instead.
Our PG position is serviceable with D'Angelo and even Clarkson... so it's not a deep need... and most good teams don't have a true pass-first PG anymore (both Cleveland, Boston and GS have scoring PGs).
Your post is like one of those "Lakers will get everything they want dreams" like a few years back... "not only will KD sign with the Lakers, but so will Westbrook and Anthony Davis".
Magic is not real magic... we have to be reasonable about what we can get and what's going to happen. It's still going to be a few years before the Lakers are good enough for the playoffs, and then even more years beyond that when they are championship contenders (GS and Lebron will be too old).
Not exactly. George wants to be a Lakers and cousins wanted to get a deal to LA as well.
Neither of those guys will command number 1.
SoclosetoIrvine
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eyephone said:
Yes the only way Fultz doesn't go first is if they trade the pick to another team to acquire Butler/Paul George. I do think they should deal the pick as their window is these next 2-3 years. I'd be dangling Avery Bradley and the pick right now and see who bites first. Looking at the top few teams in lottery, only a few might prefer a pass first PG.
I'm pretty sure the Bulls would prefer Fultz especially since Wade/Rondo are probably not going to be back after next year. Pacers have Teague so they probably need a better scorer so Fultz would be their pick. Out of the top 10 lottery, I could only see maybe Knicks/Phoenix/Sacramento needing a pass first PG but I don't think they gut their team for Lonzo Ball.
irvinehomeowner
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How have the Celts bounced back to prominence so quickly (and they have a top pick next year)?
Two words: No Kobe
Two words: No Kobe
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The east is super weak. Ainge gets lucky again and again.
They are still far behind the cavs. I think fox is better fit for them.
They are still far behind the cavs. I think fox is better fit for them.
usctrojancpa
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eyephone said:irvinehomeowner said:How have the Celts bounced back to prominence so quickly (and they have a top pick next year)?
Two words: No Kobe
Btw - Celts are getting tossed right now. 49-27
They'll lose in 4 or 5 games.
Making a big SPLASH!!!
Magic says Kobe wants to be involved with the Lakers. Also, Kareem has some interest being involved with the Lakers.
http://www.lakersnation.com/magic-j...ts-to-be-involved-with-the-lakers/2017/05/17/
Magic says Kobe wants to be involved with the Lakers. Also, Kareem has some interest being involved with the Lakers.
http://www.lakersnation.com/magic-j...ts-to-be-involved-with-the-lakers/2017/05/17/
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It's finally time that the greats will be around with Magic as the face. Sells the team way better.
qwerty
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Mark my words - lonzo ball is over-rated. I hope the lakers take De'Aron fox from Kentucky. That guy is an elite athlete. Very fast. Ball couldn't guard him. Then I thought it was a bitch move that the balls came out and said he pulled his hamstring early in the Kentucky game.
Perspective
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In this draft class, he's rated by most to be top-3 prospect. That seems a fair evaluation. The most accurate description I've heard, is that he's Jason Kidd, but that Lonzo can actually shoot. Lonzo shot 55% from the floor and 41% from three range.
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4066421/lonzo-ball
Now, his shooting form is ugly, and his dad is another modern era social media idiot who will say anything to get folks to talk about him, good or bad, but his play making ability at Chino Hills and UCLA speaks for itself.
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4066421/lonzo-ball
Now, his shooting form is ugly, and his dad is another modern era social media idiot who will say anything to get folks to talk about him, good or bad, but his play making ability at Chino Hills and UCLA speaks for itself.
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qwerty said:
Fox is a great athlete but doesn't have a shot. Ball didn't guard him much during that game. Fox ran behind high screens and UCLA didn't have the guys to guard him.
Ball took a crappy UCLA team to sweet 16.
irvinehomeowner
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Lonzo's shot is so ugly... seems so easy to block too.
In the end, Lonzo is the hype and more likely than not, Lavar has "spoke it into existence" and he will be a Laker.
Is he what the Laker's need? Not really... they need a scoring wing.
So if they are going to draft Lonzo, I would trade DeAngelo and hopefully Mozgov or Deng for that wing. Or sign one as a free agent. The question is who? I know everyone keeps saying PG13 or Jimmy Buckets but I think you have to target someone who has the ability but isn't really a superstar yet, like Otto Porter.
But if I had to pick between PG or JB, definitely PG.
In the end, Lonzo is the hype and more likely than not, Lavar has "spoke it into existence" and he will be a Laker.
Is he what the Laker's need? Not really... they need a scoring wing.
So if they are going to draft Lonzo, I would trade DeAngelo and hopefully Mozgov or Deng for that wing. Or sign one as a free agent. The question is who? I know everyone keeps saying PG13 or Jimmy Buckets but I think you have to target someone who has the ability but isn't really a superstar yet, like Otto Porter.
But if I had to pick between PG or JB, definitely PG.
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irvinehomeowner said:
I disagree with need. We do need a real PG.
We do need an athletic wing. Hopefully get George now or later.
Would love cousins too. Get his head right. He is the best center in the league.
SoclosetoIrvine
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irvinehomeowner said:How have the Celts bounced back to prominence so quickly (and they have a top pick next year)?
Two words: No Kobe
It's not quite as simple as "No kobe" What Boston did was absolutely fleece the Nets in what may go down as one of the most lopsided trades of all time with an all time bad GM in Billy King. So you need a Billy King to rebuild quickly. That fool put no protections on those 1st round picks.
"The Brooklyn Nets have acquired Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, Jason Terry and D.J. White from the Boston Celtics in exchange for Gerald Wallace, Kris Humphries, MarShon Brooks, Kris Joseph, Keith Bogans and three first round draft picks (2014, 2016 and 2018), as well as the right to swap first round picks in 2017, Nets General Manager Billy King has announced"
So what the Celtics did value assets over loyalty. They traded away their face of their franchise in Paul Pierce/Kevin Garnett and looked toward the future. Lakers did the opposite and valued Kobe's past achievements and rewarded him for it and let him retire a Laker. So you can just say "no kobe" and expect us to suddenly do better. Which is ironic as well because Kobe's general terrible play the last few years netted us a lot of nice assets in Russell/Ingram in the draft lol. Looking back, I probably still keep Kobe those last few years. As a diehard fan, I would've thrown a fit if I saw a headline "Kobe traded to _____ for x player and this pick" even if it improved our future chances.
In Hindsight, we could've rebuilt much better with Kobe still on the roster. Few things that come to mind, we should've kept Ariza and just paid the man instead of getting Metta World. We so desperately need 3 & D and he's thriving in Houston. Isiah Thomas verbally said he wanted to be a Laker many times but he didn't sign him and his asking price for a trade was low. We could've rolled the dice on a Harrison barnes instead of Mozgov/Deng contracts. You also can't forget "Basketball reasons" which would've gotten us at the minimum chris paul with the assumed Dwight howard following. So it's not just "no kobe" it's really lots of more complicated reasons why we are where we are.
But looking ahead, we got the #2 pick in a stacked draft. Hope the lakers do their due diligence in workouts and don't shy away from a non Lonzo ball pick. If we can find a gem, you draft him (looking back on Porzingis vs Russell). We have a non too shabby core of Russell/Clarkson/Ingram/Randle/Zubac and we just need to build on it. Hope we don't trade young players for a Paul George and just wait for him to come in 2018 instead.
irvinehomeowner
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jmoney74 said:
Our PG position is serviceable with D'Angelo and even Clarkson... so it's not a deep need... and most good teams don't have a true pass-first PG anymore (both Cleveland, Boston and GS have scoring PGs).
Your post is like one of those "Lakers will get everything they want dreams" like a few years back... "not only will KD sign with the Lakers, but so will Westbrook and Anthony Davis".
Magic is not real magic... we have to be reasonable about what we can get and what's going to happen. It's still going to be a few years before the Lakers are good enough for the playoffs, and then even more years beyond that when they are championship contenders (GS and Lebron will be too old).
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irvinehomeowner said:jmoney74 said:
Our PG position is serviceable with D'Angelo and even Clarkson... so it's not a deep need... and most good teams don't have a true pass-first PG anymore (both Cleveland, Boston and GS have scoring PGs).
Your post is like one of those "Lakers will get everything they want dreams" like a few years back... "not only will KD sign with the Lakers, but so will Westbrook and Anthony Davis".
Magic is not real magic... we have to be reasonable about what we can get and what's going to happen. It's still going to be a few years before the Lakers are good enough for the playoffs, and then even more years beyond that when they are championship contenders (GS and Lebron will be too old).
Not exactly. George wants to be a Lakers and cousins wanted to get a deal to LA as well.