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Agreed. Kupchak's mistakes (Nash, MOZGOV, Deng) don't offset his very good drafts. He lacks personality though. Maybe that's an issue selling the Lakers to big FAs? Magic is ALL personality. Maybe that'll help sell the Lakers to big FAs over the next two seasons while our cap room allows us to chase them.
Bless Mitch's heart cause I love that guy for the Pau trade and for trying to get cp3 *f stern* but I think his recent free agent signings (namely Mozgov and Deng) tying our capspace for the next 3-4 years did him in...plus his inability to pull off any trades in recent years
His biggest asset was drafting ..finding gems like Clarkson, nance and zubac deep in the draft so would've preferred hanging on to him and getting rid of jim buss alone, but I'm sure there's more at play here. Maybe Ryan west or someone else was influential in those picks not mitch?
Kevin Ding wrote an article yesterday that details it pretty good:http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...mning-case-against-jim-buss-and-mitch-kupchak
Thoughts?
Brings a big legitimate name to attach to Magic. Magic's lack of knowledge of the CBA and terrible twitter acct are nicely countered by the experience of Rob Pelinka. He's well known as one of the best agents and agents know the CBA probably more than most GM's out there...even though he has no GM experience, I think the skill set is similar
As long as Ryan west gets a bigger role, I can work with Magic/Rob/Ryan West + more scouts overseas
Jeanie wasn't messing around with this takeover!!
That was a kind way to describe it. Magic's tweets expose him for who he is, like Twitter does to every twit who tweets. He has said the dumbest things about the Dodgers and game results.
But there is hope! Despite the unnecessary platitude, I'm glad he appreciates the young core. However, if KD was over playing with the Warriors and demanded a trade to the Lakers, would/should BI be untouchable? Of course not. So don't say dumb things like this.
"The Lakers? first move under Johnson was to flip veteran guard Lou Williams to the Houston Rockets for a first-round pick (and also Corey Brewer), and he declared the Lakers young core ?untouchable? on his first day on the job."
http://www.silverscreenandroll.com/...zubac-untouchable-larry-nance-jordan-clarkson
I don't know contracts well, do we have the stretch still? Do we get to use the extra cap space this coming summer? I know the only true "get out of jail" card was the amnesty but it wasn't included in the new CBA
Seems we got a late first from Rockets for Lou. I think Lou was the only chip that could nab a 1st...swaggy probably can only get a 2nd. Hope we don't go full stupid and use that 1st from Rockets to trade away the contract of Deng/Mozgov...this is a deep draft, a 27th pick could still get a nice player
Just did a tiny bit more reading. The stretch makes more sense in the final year of a big contract, not the beginning of a multi year contract. Say Mozgov in his final year is owed $16 million. You can "stretch" that final year to 4 years, where they cap hit is only $4 million instead. I think that math was too basic, but it's the general idea.
Seems we are screwed with those contracts. Between the two, Mozgov may have some value in a team looking for a backup 5....We won't get a first, but I think we could throw him when he has like 2 years left on contract. Deng...ugh...no one is gonna want him. Our only shot is if the Wolves rumor is true and Thibs wants Deng, then we send him over and attach cash/2nd rounder and pray :-X
Perspective
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paydawg said:
Agreed. Kupchak's mistakes (Nash, MOZGOV, Deng) don't offset his very good drafts. He lacks personality though. Maybe that's an issue selling the Lakers to big FAs? Magic is ALL personality. Maybe that'll help sell the Lakers to big FAs over the next two seasons while our cap room allows us to chase them.
SoclosetoIrvine
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paydawg said:
Bless Mitch's heart cause I love that guy for the Pau trade and for trying to get cp3 *f stern* but I think his recent free agent signings (namely Mozgov and Deng) tying our capspace for the next 3-4 years did him in...plus his inability to pull off any trades in recent years
His biggest asset was drafting ..finding gems like Clarkson, nance and zubac deep in the draft so would've preferred hanging on to him and getting rid of jim buss alone, but I'm sure there's more at play here. Maybe Ryan west or someone else was influential in those picks not mitch?
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paydawg said:
Kevin Ding wrote an article yesterday that details it pretty good:http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...mning-case-against-jim-buss-and-mitch-kupchak
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jmoney74
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Tin foil hat on. Seems like NBA makes trades happen. NBA was bent on getting a Lakers Celtics finals.
Perspective
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"In fact, the summer signings of Deng and Mozgov were precisely the sort of middling additions with minimal upside that the Buss siblings agreed in their 2014 family meeting would not be acceptable use of all the salary-cap money the Lakers had been saving year after year."
http://www.sbnation.com/2017/2/21/1...buss-demarcus-cousins-trade-rumors?yptr=yahoo
http://www.sbnation.com/2017/2/21/1...buss-demarcus-cousins-trade-rumors?yptr=yahoo
Perspective
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Sweet Lou's gone - more minutes for Clarkson available. My 5 year old son will not be happy...
The Houston Rockets traded veteran forward Corey Brewer and their 2017 first-round pick to the Los Angeles Lakers for veteran guard Lou Williams on Tuesday night according to multiple sources. Williams brings additional scoring to the Rockets bench, something GM Daryl Morey said he was hoping to accomplish by the trade deadline, which is Thursday. Williams, combined with reserve guard Eric Gordon, have scored 1,835 points.
Calvin Watkins, ESPN Staff Writer
The Houston Rockets traded veteran forward Corey Brewer and their 2017 first-round pick to the Los Angeles Lakers for veteran guard Lou Williams on Tuesday night according to multiple sources. Williams brings additional scoring to the Rockets bench, something GM Daryl Morey said he was hoping to accomplish by the trade deadline, which is Thursday. Williams, combined with reserve guard Eric Gordon, have scored 1,835 points.
Calvin Watkins, ESPN Staff Writer
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eyephone said:
Thoughts?
SoclosetoIrvine
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jmoney74 said:
Brings a big legitimate name to attach to Magic. Magic's lack of knowledge of the CBA and terrible twitter acct are nicely countered by the experience of Rob Pelinka. He's well known as one of the best agents and agents know the CBA probably more than most GM's out there...even though he has no GM experience, I think the skill set is similar
As long as Ryan west gets a bigger role, I can work with Magic/Rob/Ryan West + more scouts overseas
Jeanie wasn't messing around with this takeover!!
Perspective
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SoclosetoIrvine said:
That was a kind way to describe it. Magic's tweets expose him for who he is, like Twitter does to every twit who tweets. He has said the dumbest things about the Dodgers and game results.
But there is hope! Despite the unnecessary platitude, I'm glad he appreciates the young core. However, if KD was over playing with the Warriors and demanded a trade to the Lakers, would/should BI be untouchable? Of course not. So don't say dumb things like this.
"The Lakers? first move under Johnson was to flip veteran guard Lou Williams to the Houston Rockets for a first-round pick (and also Corey Brewer), and he declared the Lakers young core ?untouchable? on his first day on the job."
http://www.silverscreenandroll.com/...zubac-untouchable-larry-nance-jordan-clarkson
irvinehomeowner
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Like in movies, TV and comics... dead doesn't mean dead... so untouchable doesn't mean untouchable.
I want to see what they do with Deng and Mozgov.
I want to see what they do with Deng and Mozgov.
SoclosetoIrvine
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paydawg said:irvinehomeowner said:Like in movies, TV and comics... dead doesn't mean dead... so untouchable doesn't mean untouchable.
I want to see what they do with Deng and Mozgov.
I want to see them use the Stretch Provision on Deng's contract.
I don't know contracts well, do we have the stretch still? Do we get to use the extra cap space this coming summer? I know the only true "get out of jail" card was the amnesty but it wasn't included in the new CBA
Seems we got a late first from Rockets for Lou. I think Lou was the only chip that could nab a 1st...swaggy probably can only get a 2nd. Hope we don't go full stupid and use that 1st from Rockets to trade away the contract of Deng/Mozgov...this is a deep draft, a 27th pick could still get a nice player
Perspective
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I've read a bit about the new CBA, and I don't think stretch provisions were included. I think we'll be keeping Moz for at least two more years. Remember, in the final year of his four year contract, that huge expiring salary is attractive to teams trying to reduce salary burdens/lux tax implications through trades.
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Perspective said:
Just did a tiny bit more reading. The stretch makes more sense in the final year of a big contract, not the beginning of a multi year contract. Say Mozgov in his final year is owed $16 million. You can "stretch" that final year to 4 years, where they cap hit is only $4 million instead. I think that math was too basic, but it's the general idea.
Seems we are screwed with those contracts. Between the two, Mozgov may have some value in a team looking for a backup 5....We won't get a first, but I think we could throw him when he has like 2 years left on contract. Deng...ugh...no one is gonna want him. Our only shot is if the Wolves rumor is true and Thibs wants Deng, then we send him over and attach cash/2nd rounder and pray :-X
Perspective
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I am concerned. I'll keep holding out hope Magic is just a figurehead, whose primary purpose is to attract big FAs.
"A lot of us media folks have had fun noting Magic Johnson?s overly generous tweets that suggest shaky talent evaluation -- he saw Brandon Knight as worthy of the overall No. 1 pick and called Michael Carter-Williams the next Jason Kidd, to cite just two -- but I?m comfortable assuming he?ll be more discerning in the private business of enhancing Los Angeles? roster."
http://www.nba.com/article/2017/02/22/blogtable-thoughts-los-angeles-lakers-promoting-magic-johnson
"A lot of us media folks have had fun noting Magic Johnson?s overly generous tweets that suggest shaky talent evaluation -- he saw Brandon Knight as worthy of the overall No. 1 pick and called Michael Carter-Williams the next Jason Kidd, to cite just two -- but I?m comfortable assuming he?ll be more discerning in the private business of enhancing Los Angeles? roster."
http://www.nba.com/article/2017/02/22/blogtable-thoughts-los-angeles-lakers-promoting-magic-johnson
Perspective
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Kudos to Magic for not trying to make a big splash selling multiple young assets for an All Star in his prime before the deadline. Let's tank, secure a top-3 pick, and proceed from there. If we get a top-3 pick in the Lottery, call the Pacers back...
irvinehomeowner
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Boo... draft time again.
2-4 more years?
2-4 more years?