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You have finally snatched the pebble off my hand. I was with Graphrix this morning at the airport and he is doing some awesome ambitious projects across the nation. Some will be forever be trapped in 16 square miles and others will create path for others to follow.
 
irvinehomeshopper said:
Let me restate this. I was disappointed that how good Irvine schools are and years of reading Irvine blogs "so and so went and graduated from Ivy".  I thought hundreds of kids will get to attend Ivy yearly. That was my perception. So what is all the fuzz about top high schools when Cal State University destination is the norm?

I am not feeling soured like you claimed. She was rejected from the 3 she applied to: Harvard, Yale and Columbia. She will be attending a good school ,her top choice, a school with a smaller population.

Besides the Hastings example, I have a family member that started at IVC and graduated from Berkeley. I don't view the year after high school as the be-all, end-all for your daughter or anyone else. If she doesn't transfer to an Ivy, she can always kick ass in undergrad and do a graduate degree from another school. Or a PhD from the one after that.

I'm a huge believer in outcomes, and the admission process for the freshman year of college is more a starting point for kids as they become adults.

Great parenting and great schools (starting from their earliest years) contribute to great outcomes -- and sometimes those outcomes start at places like IVC, Cal States or lower tier privates.
 
Let's not kid ourselves guys, if you don't start your college career at USC you are already several steps behind in the game of life:-)
 
qwerty said:
Let's not kid ourselves guys, if you don't start your college career at USC you are already several steps behind in the game of life:-)

Yep. Just think your average USC grad probably just has to do one or two remaining strikes while those drones likely have all three to go.

:-)

 
That is quite a wisdom OSGuy. No matter what the route ones take but with passion one will always succeed regardless of Santa Ana UD or IUSD when both qualify to enroll into IVC. If you look at the graduation rate for Community Colleges it is not that good. Less than 50% will graduate with an AA degree. The morale is low among students and for those who could make it to Berkeley or better it is truly a Phoenix rises up from ashes.

 
irvinehomeshopper said:
That is quite a wisdom OSGuy. No matter what the route ones take but with passion one will always succeed regardless of Santa Ana UD or IUSD when both qualify to enroll into IVC. If you look at the graduation rate for Community Colleges it is not that good. Less than 50% will graduate with an AA degree. The morale is low among students and for those who could make it to Berkeley or better it is truly a Phoenix rises up from ashes.

Deceptive and irrelevant statistics.  You DO NOT need an AA to transfer to UCs or any other colleges.  Most transfer students don't even bother with getting an AA degree (as they have to take extra classes, e.g. to satisfy the "diversity" requirement).  I am the product of SMC-transfer to UCLA (B.A.), and was also accepted by UC Berkeley as a transfer student  and I can tell you that students who want to transfer are extremely motivated. I did not get an AA degree.  I also took classes at IVC and the quality of education is very good.  Once you are part of their "Honors" program (e.g. SMC) and get decent grades at the community college, your acceptance into UCLA/UCs is pretty much guaranteed.  I can never understand students who chose to attend Cal State...they could simply go to a community college for 2 years and then transfer to a more prestigious UC.  Do they not know about this???

Everyone I knew in the honors program at SMC got in to some sort of UC, most (yes, MOST) got into UCLA/UCI/UC San Diego, quite a bunch into UC Berkeley. SMC had some sort of direct agreement with UCLA admissions to get their Honors students in, no questions asked. I don't know if this is still true, but I suspect it is, since SMC is still #1 feeder transfer school into UCLA/UC Berkeley.

No student debt for us, community college alumni either :)
 
Veronica said:
irvinehomeshopper said:
That is quite a wisdom OSGuy. No matter what the route ones take but with passion one will always succeed regardless of Santa Ana UD or IUSD when both qualify to enroll into IVC. If you look at the graduation rate for Community Colleges it is not that good. Less than 50% will graduate with an AA degree. The morale is low among students and for those who could make it to Berkeley or better it is truly a Phoenix rises up from ashes.

Deceptive and irrelevant statistics.  You DO NOT need an AA to transfer to UCs or any other colleges.  Most transfer students don't even bother with getting an AA degree (as they have to take extra classes, e.g. to satisfy the "diversity" requirement).  I am the product of SMC-transfer to UCLA (B.A.), and was also accepted by UC Berkeley as a transfer student  and I can tell you that students who want to transfer are extremely motivated. I did not get an AA degree.  I also took classes at IVC and the quality of education is very good.  Once you are part of their "Honors" program (e.g. SMC) and get decent grades at the community college, your acceptance into UCLA/UCs is pretty much guaranteed.  I can never understand students who chose to attend Cal State...they could simply go to a community college for 2 years and then transfer to a more prestigious UC.  Do they not know about this???

Everyone I knew in the honors program at SMC got in to some sort of UC, most (yes, MOST) got into UCLA/UCI/UC San Diego, quite a bunch into UC Berkeley. SMC had some sort of direct agreement with UCLA admissions to get their Honors students in, no questions asked. I don't know if this is still true, but I suspect it is, since SMC is still #1 feeder transfer school into UCLA/UC Berkeley.

No student debt for us, community college alumni either :)


CS.. UC.. it's irrelevant for the most part unless you go to the FARM. 
 
Let me tell you this - in business if you don't have the soft skills to communicate, you will not advance.
(If you cant talk to the client or communicate effectively with your coworkers or you can't give a presentation then you don't have what it takes)

To me - it's not what college you came from, it's how you perform at work.

 
Haha, no thanks, USC is not my cup of tea! Good school, easy to transfer into from a good community college if you are an honors student (for those who dream to be a Trojan). 

There is a big difference between UC and CS when you want to go to a reputable grad school.  The prestige of undergrad school really matters (e.g. for J.D, MBA, M.D. admissions). Statistics is very much not in favor of Cal state schools vs. UCLA/UC Berkeley grads.

Other than this, I totally agree with eyephone.
 
Veronica said:
Haha, no thanks, USC is not my cup of tea! Good school, easy to transfer into from a good community college if you are an honors student (for those who dream to be a Trojan). 

There is a big difference between UC and CS when you want to go to a reputable grad school.  The prestige of undergrad school really matters (e.g. for J.D, MBA, M.D. admissions). Statistics is very much not in favor of Cal state schools vs. UCLA/UC Berkeley grads.

Other than this, I totally agree with eyephone.

Had a lot of friends that went the CS to reputable Grad Schools.. like you said.. just driven.  So many different scenarios.. but driven people will generally succeed... even those who didn't even go to college.
 
Right, so there is some violent agreement of sorts here - one can attempt to game the system (be it move to IUSD with false Ivy hopes or to Villa Park to zoom past the others after IUSD K-8) but it is mostly Quixotic (qwerxotic?). And even if by chance or by hard work or both, the kid makes it into a top tier school, it is a pyrrhic victory.

What matters in schooling is parenting, teachers and peers. Where do you find the best schools? Where you find parents that care enough to demand the very best teachers.
 
You forgot the most qwerxotic of them all. Move to non-irvine location but continue to send kid to IUSD thinking you really gamed the system only to have it utterly and completely fail in terms of ivy hopes and dreams. Sad.
 
irvinehome0wner said:
You forgot the most qwerxotic of them all. Move to non-irvine location but continue to send kid to IUSD thinking you really gamed the system only to have it utterly and completely fail in terms of ivy hopes and dreams. Sad.

So his daughter didn't get into a Ivy college. I can imagine in 4 years when his daughter doesn't get hired by the company she applied to or doesn't get accepted to the top grad school.
 
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Had a lot of friends that went the CS to reputable Grad Schools.. like you said.. just driven.  So many different scenarios.. but driven people will generally succeed... even those who didn't even go to college.
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There are exceptions, but they are rare.  For example, in our class at UC Berkeley SOL, there were just a couple of Cal State grads (one from CSLB and Indian American and another one from CSULA- a Hispanic female), and the vast majority was from UCLA/UC Berkeley and the Ivies.  Yale and Harvard law schools very rarely accept Cal State grads (they used to openly publish statistics each year where their grads come from - overwhelmingly from Ivies and prestigious public/private universities).  There are exceptions and your friends might be in that category, but the statistics tells a story none of you want to hear - top grad schools feed from top undergrad schools first.  Fair?  Nope.  But that's what they do. By going into CS and not to UC you will have to work a lot harder to get in.

I am not saying this justifies the madness of high school rat race.  But Irvine's graduating high school students should be aware that the prestige of undergrad will be a HUGE factor if they decide to apply to a top grad school.
 
If you are in your 30s or 40s. Look among your peers, relatives, and friends, etc. For those of you who went back to your 10 year high school reunion, 20 year high school reunion. Which group of people you know are more economically and financially successful? Look at your friends who also went to Ivy, how did they turn out in their 30s and 40s.

Group A:
SAT scores below 1000
GPA: 2.9

Group B:
SAT scores above 1400
GPA : 4.0

Old SAT : 1600 perfect score. 800 Verbal / 800 Math.

Let's discuss!

 
Veronica said:
Had a lot of friends that went the CS to reputable Grad Schools.. like you said.. just driven.  So many different scenarios.. but driven people will generally succeed... even those who didn't even go to college.


There are exceptions, but they are rare.  For example, in our class at UC Berkeley SOL, there were just a couple of Cal State grads (one from CSLB and Indian American and another one from CSULA- a Hispanic female), and the vast majority was from UCLA/UC Berkeley and the Ivies.  Yale and Harvard law schools very rarely accept Cal State grads (they used to openly publish statistics each year where their grads come from - overwhelmingly from Ivies and prestigious public/private universities).  There are exceptions and your friends might be in that category, but the statistics tells a story none of you want to hear - top grad schools feed from top undergrad schools first.  Fair?  Nope.  But that's what they do. By going into CS and not to UC you will have to work a lot harder to get in.

I am not saying this justifies the madness of high school rat race.  But Irvine's graduating high school students should be aware that the prestige of undergrad will be a HUGE factor if they decide to apply to a top grad school.

Preaching to the choir girlfriend. But know that this is an anti ivy forum. Because they all know a guy who was either an Ivy League grad and is now a w-2 loser or they know a guy who didn't need an ivy degree to be a success.  Or both.
 
Panda said:
If you are in your 30s or 40s. Look among your peers, relatives, and friends, etc. For those of you who went back to your 10 year high school reunion, 20 year high school reunion. Which group of people you know are more economically and financially successful? Look at your friends who also went to Ivy, how did they turn out in their 30s and 40s.

Group A:
SAT scores below 1000
GPA: 2.9

Group B:
SAT scores above 1400
GPA : 4.0

Old SAT : 1600 perfect score. 800 Verbal / 800 Math.

Let's discuss!

Just went to my 10 year reunion a few months back.  ;D

Group A: Out of 10 people I saw at the reunion and talked to during high school only 1 person kind of made something of themselves.  He owns his own construction business because it was handed down to him by his father.  The rest of that group are still going to school part time and working odd jobs or are Real Estate agents or Loan Officers who aren't doing too well (no offense to anyone).  I'm sure there are a few people from my graduating class from Group A that are doing well but I didn't see any of them at the reunion or kept in touch.

Group B: I keep in touch with this group quite often.  I actually work with 2 of them.  My best friend our valedictorian 1600 SAT (black guy) lol, he went to Cal with me and then onto Harvard for law school.  He's going to make partner pretty soon and I can say he's doing pretty well for himself.  3 other good friends of mine also graduating top of our class went to UPenn, Carnegie, and Yale.  The Penn/Yale friend are in IB/PE.  One's a Principal and the other is a Managing Director.  Both pursued higher education at UPenn.  The Carnegie friend worked at Google for a while, product development/R&D, then we both went to Stanford for our MBA and now he's part of a start up. 

Just to echo what JMoney said "driven people will generally succeed... even those who didn't even go to college."  I agree with what he said to a certain extent.  For me, driven people are more likely to succeed because they put themselves in the position to.  College is a great foundation to help you reach "success".  College doesn't make you a better person, it doesn't go to the interviews for you, it doesn't show up 5AM in the morning and stay till 1AM in the morning for you at work, to me it just shows you can follow direction and memorize things  :P
 
Homer_Simpson said:
Panda said:
If you are in your 30s or 40s. Look among your peers, relatives, and friends, etc. For those of you who went back to your 10 year high school reunion, 20 year high school reunion. Which group of people you know are more economically and financially successful? Look at your friends who also went to Ivy, how did they turn out in their 30s and 40s.

Group A:
SAT scores below 1000
GPA: 2.9

Group B:
SAT scores above 1400
GPA : 4.0

Old SAT : 1600 perfect score. 800 Verbal / 800 Math.

Let's discuss!

Just went to my 10 year reunion a few months back.  ;D

Group A: Out of 10 people I saw at the reunion and talked to during high school only 1 person kind of made something of themselves.  He owns his own construction business because it was handed down to him by his father.  The rest of that group are still going to school part time and working odd jobs or are Real Estate agents or Loan Officers who aren't doing too well (no offense to anyone).  I'm sure there are a few people from my graduating class from Group A that are doing well but I didn't see any of them at the reunion or kept in touch.

Group B: I keep in touch with this group quite often.  I actually work with 2 of them.  My best friend our valedictorian 1600 SAT (black guy) lol, he went to Cal with me and then onto Harvard for law school.  He's going to make partner pretty soon and I can say he's doing pretty well for himself.  3 other good friends of mine also graduating top of our class went to UPenn, Carnegie, and Yale.  The Penn/Yale friend are in IB/PE.  One's a Principal and the other is a Managing Director.  Both pursued higher education at UPenn.  The Carnegie friend worked at Google for a while, product development/R&D, then we both went to Stanford for our MBA and now he's part of a start up. 

Just to echo what JMoney said "driven people will generally succeed... even those who didn't even go to college."  I agree with what he said to a certain extent.  For me, driven people are more likely to succeed because they put themselves in the position to.  College is a great foundation to help you reach "success".  College doesn't make you a better person, it doesn't go to the interviews for you, it doesn't show up 5AM in the morning and stay till 1AM in the morning for you at work, to me it just shows you can follow direction and memorize things  :P

All my ivy friends made something of themselves. Some are in finance (bankers/traders/PE/etc).  Some are in tech (most went back for their MBA at top 10 schools) and are either entrepreneurs in the tech space or work for the twitters/googles of the world. Some are in law (top 10 firms from top 20 schools most are senior associates on partner track. One teaches at a top 3 law school). Some are in medicine (either practicing at the community level or in academia). Some are in media (editors at magazines/online stuff).  Some are in the non-profit space. One ran Clinton's aid thing in Africa for awhile before bschool.

Bottom line is:  some are more successful than others. Not one wakes up each day and says: man I wish I didn't go to an ivy. Some had more debt than others but with successful jobs and low interest rates (back then), loans are manageable.
 
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