[IHB] Does the Irvine school system add value to local houses?

[IndieDev]

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the socialeconomic background of those that attend Corona Del Mar High most likely exceeds that of Uni students.  Why does Uni consistently outperforms CDM in terms of test scores then?

C'mon, did you actually just ask that?  You must just be trolling.

I'll say it: because nerdy asian kids would rather stay inside and read their Pre-Calculus book front to back instead of going outside, riding their bikes, and making real friends and relationships all so they can eventually graduate top of their class at CSU Fullerton, UCI, CAL POLY, or UCSD.

 

[socal78]

No California public school is worth $250k.

Yes, I was waiting for someone to point this out. C'mon now - Attending a "good" California public school is like trying to be the winner in a 3-legged race. The data I've seen indicates our state is scraping the bottom of the barrel when compared to public schools nationwide.** No matter where we move or what we pay, I don't think we're really getting very far.

**I will be fair, though, and recognize that on at least one list Uni came in at the #8 best highschool in America for 2011 and #1 in the state. How legit is this list? I don't know. Take it for what it's worth.http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/features/2011/americas-best-high-schools.html

On a separate note: If any of you have a 6th grader in IUSD, tell me what their 6th grade camp is like. When I went to our school this morning, I saw the buses there with parents and luggage on the curb. They were seeing the kids off as they left for camp. Traditionally, the kids go Monday through Friday and head up to the Big Bear or somewhere in the mountains where they experience a new environment to learn about nature, science, etc. Due to budget cuts, these kids are going Tuesday through Friday to... drum roll please... Irvine Lake. Whoopdeedoooo!  :-\ By the time mine are ready to go, I'm guessing it will be Thursday & Friday at the local tot lot. Thank you, State of California.

 

[Irvinecommuter]

That's a little unfair.  While I think some people look for "segregation", it is also a product of socioeconomics in this country.  White and Asians are at a higher socioeconomic level than Latinos or Blacks.  People with money (regardless of race) look to live in the nice neighborhoods (ala Irvine).  There is a tendency for minority races to pool together (regardless of income) due to availability of minority services/food/culture.

Well, you actually said the same thing I did --- but in a nicer way.  But really --- if all that is so unfair, why do so many people in Irvine thumb their nose at Beckman HS?  Within the racial subgroups, Beckman Asians and Beckman Whites actually have higher API scores than their Northwood counterparts across Culver.  So what's the problem with Beckman?

It's different because it's a matter of intent/motives.  Most people move to Irvine/IUSD for reasons completely unrelated to their neighbor's race...you seem to imply that that it's the overriding concerns and that the "good school" moniker is just a cover.

There is nothing wrong with Beckham other than the fact that it's in TUSD and not IUSD.  Many people who buy into Irvine look for the IUSD based upon reputation.  Also, resale value is important.

 

[kalbi]

come back with something better than "you must be trolling." i'm sure your taiwanese wife taught you to be better than that.

 

[kalbi]

one last note, if IndieDev and Pat Star don't live in Irvine, don't desire to live in Irvine, and think those who do are lame and stupid, why the obsession with Irvine? Why are you consistently one of the active posters on here? enlighten me please!

 

[LAtoOC]

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the socialeconomic background of those that attend Corona Del Mar High most likely exceeds that of Uni students.  Why does Uni consistently outperforms CDM in terms of test scores then?

C'mon, did you actually just ask that?  You must just be trolling.

I'll say it: because nerdy asian kids would rather stay inside and read their Pre-Calculus book front to back instead of going outside, riding their bikes, and making real friends and relationships all so they can eventually graduate top of their class at CSU Fullerton, UCI, CAL POLY, or UCSD.

And I will say it, it is because those kids' parents have more money so they can buy better/more drugs/take vacations to islands we will never even know the name of or the private zoo with the Fantastipotamus instead of their parents having to host red towel events.

Bonus points to anyone who gets that reference.

 

[IndieDev]

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the socialeconomic background of those that attend Corona Del Mar High most likely exceeds that of Uni students.  Why does Uni consistently outperforms CDM in terms of test scores then?

C'mon, did you actually just ask that?  You must just be trolling.

I'll say it: because nerdy asian kids would rather stay inside and read their Pre-Calculus book front to back instead of going outside, riding their bikes, and making real friends and relationships all so they can eventually graduate top of their class at CSU Fullerton, UCI, CAL POLY, or UCSD.

And I will say it, it is because those kids' parents have more money so they can buy better/more drugs/take vacations to islands we will never even know the name of or the private zoo with the Fantastipotamus instead of their parents having to host red towel events.

Bonus points to anyone who gets that reference.

At least those parents have money to take vacations instead of Staycations like the parents who live in "Northweed", err... Northwood.

 

[socal78]

Even though I've tried multiple times to unsubscribe, I can't seem to get off the IUSD's mailing list. I just got this seconds ago. I think the part about donating to help prop up home values was pretty bold. So - buy the homes for the schools and support the schools to help home values. You got that? They're working the parents from every angle. It's a viscous cycle.

Dear IUSD parent:

By now, you?re probably all too aware of the impacts of California?s budget crisis, which has forced the Irvine Unified School District to make nearly $40 million worth of reductions. Unfortunately, our state?s economy remains mired in a slump, and more cuts are anticipated.

That?s the bad news.

The good news is that the Irvine Public Schools Foundation is working hard to raise money on our behalf, and the City of Irvine has offered to contribute up to $900,000 in a dollar-for-dollar match with the foundation. That means if you donate a dollar, the City will kick in an additional dollar, potentially generating as much as $1.8 million.

These funds will make a difference where it matters most ? in the classroom. At the elementary level, proceeds from this campaign will pay for qualified instructional assistants, increasing the amount of one?on?one interaction. In our middle and high schools, class?size support funds will provide additional staffing hours, thereby reducing student?to?teacher ratios in critical subjects. In addition, IPSF supports music education for students in kindergarten through grade six, as well as grants that enable our teachers and counselors to embrace 21st century learning strategies.

Though any amount is appreciated, IPSF and IUSD are asking you to consider a tax-deductible contribution of $365 ? or $1 per day ? by the end of the calendar year. We know this is a lot to ask, particularly during these tough economic times. But this revenue will make an immediate impact in our classrooms.

Keep in mind that IPSF is the only organization with the reach and resources to impact every school ? and every child ? in our district. If you?ve ever considered making a contribution to preserve excellence in the classroom, or even to help maintain the property values that are linked to our schools? performance, now is the time.

To make a donation, or to learn more about the partnership between IUSD, IPSF and the City of Irvine, please click here or visit the foundation?s website at www.ipsf.net.

As always, thank you for supporting education in Irvine.


Sue Kuwabara
President, Board of Education

Terry L. Walker
Superintendent of Schools

 

[irvinehomeowner]

No California public school is worth $250k.  People are paying for something else, and labeling it "good schools".

Oh c'mon Pat... this is a misleading post. The fact that Indie sig'ed it makes that even more obvious.

No one said people who buy in Irvine pays $250k more for just the schools... the title of this thread says "add value"... doesn't say "add $250k". Other posters and myself have said it's not just the "good schools".

We all know it's just one of the components... and like you admitted, the same reasons are why you bought where you did but you had the bonus of saving money too.

Indie is accusing others of spin but he keeps trying to boil it down to just where graduates of Uni end up... rather than the entire "Irvine Experience" (oooo... how's that for marketing?). And even in that, he's not proving his point because he has yet to show us all this research he claims to have (not to mention some questionable math).

He won't admit that a good school system (and the other things Irvine has to offer) are why there is a premium... just like his 180 view is worth a premium to him. Why... I don't know... he lives in Irvine himself so that has to be something that keeps him here.

 

[IndieDev]

Even though I've tried multiple times to unsubscribe, I can't seem to get off the IUSD's mailing list. I just got this seconds ago. I think the part about donating to help prop up home values was pretty bold. So - buy the homes for the schools and support the schools to help home values. You got that? They're working the parents from every angle. It's a viscous cycle.

Dear IUSD parent:

By now, you?re probably all too aware of the impacts of California?s budget crisis, which has forced the Irvine Unified School District to make nearly $40 million worth of reductions. Unfortunately, our state?s economy remains mired in a slump, and more cuts are anticipated.

That?s the bad news.

The good news is that the Irvine Public Schools Foundation is working hard to raise money on our behalf, and the City of Irvine has offered to contribute up to $900,000 in a dollar-for-dollar match with the foundation. That means if you donate a dollar, the City will kick in an additional dollar, potentially generating as much as $1.8 million.

These funds will make a difference where it matters most ? in the classroom. At the elementary level, proceeds from this campaign will pay for qualified instructional assistants, increasing the amount of one?on?one interaction. In our middle and high schools, class?size support funds will provide additional staffing hours, thereby reducing student?to?teacher ratios in critical subjects. In addition, IPSF supports music education for students in kindergarten through grade six, as well as grants that enable our teachers and counselors to embrace 21st century learning strategies.

Though any amount is appreciated, IPSF and IUSD are asking you to consider a tax-deductible contribution of $365 ? or $1 per day ? by the end of the calendar year. We know this is a lot to ask, particularly during these tough economic times. But this revenue will make an immediate impact in our classrooms.

Keep in mind that IPSF is the only organization with the reach and resources to impact every school ? and every child ? in our district. If you?ve ever considered making a contribution to preserve excellence in the classroom, or even to help maintain the property values that are linked to our schools? performance, now is the time.

To make a donation, or to learn more about the partnership between IUSD, IPSF and the City of Irvine, please click here or visit the foundation?s website at www.ipsf.net.

As always, thank you for supporting education in Irvine.


Sue Kuwabara
President, Board of Education

Terry L. Walker
Superintendent of Schools

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[usctrojancpa]

Well this thread got exciting all of a sudden.  haha

 

[usctrojancpa]

I wish somebody on this board would just grow a sack and say what "good schools" is really code word for.  Everyone knows it, especially TIC.  Look at the faces on the glossy marketing materials.  Nobody here is paying that $250k premium for the "education" --- at least I hope nobody believes they are getting that value from any California public school. The premium is for the exclusivity of that Irvine bubble....being sheltered from all those people out there.  No need to apologize --- it is what it is.

Good schools for the targeted buyers comprise mainly two things
1. high API scores (900+ for high school)
2. mostly Caucasians and Asians with very few blacks and Latinos (that's why some people rather choose Irvine HS or Woodbridge HS over Beckman)

Moreover, 2 actually fits well with the perception of being safe.

Winner, winner, chicken dinner.  I can't tell you how many times I heard that during the six years we lived in Irvine.  And oh, how distressed many zoned to Beckman were over the students from old Tustin bussed there.  I don't know why that is such a taboo subject, people need to be honest.

And yeah, IHO -- of course where I live carries a premium over the surrounding valley.  It's a gated hillside community...we wouldn't have moved here if we did not want some exclusivity.  Do you think we didn't notice that the demographics of Porter Ranch are almost identical to Irvine?  Do you think we didn't notice the 940 API score those demographics drive in the elem API?  Do you think we didn't notice that Granada Hills HS won the National Academic Decathalon?  Of course we noticed all those things.  But I sure as hell am not crediting Los Angeles Unified School District for that.  It's the student population, not the school that drives those things.

That's what my point is...stop this stupid argument that the "school" is better.  The pool of students in that school comes from a different socioeconomic background --- That drives the results of the school.  Not the other way around.  No California public school is worth $250k.  People are paying for something else, and labeling it "good schools".

Shit son. I think Pat Star is my second favorite poster on this board now (maybe tied with USCTrojan).

Pat always says it how it is with no sugarcoating, which why I like reading what he has to say.  Education is a very sensitive topic to many people, hell my parents were all over when I was younger about getting good grades so that I would make something of myself one day...so I know all well why parents get fired up about education. 

 

[homer_simpson]

Boy, I can't wait to have kids! I wonder how Beckman will be in 20 years 

 

[irvinehomeowner]

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Huh?

I see that letter as another piece of evidence of why IUSD is good. How many other school districts have an organization that will fund raise to make up state shortfalls and then the city will match it per dollar?

 

[usctrojancpa]

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Huh?

I see that letter as another piece of evidence of why IUSD is good. How many other school districts have an organization that will fund raise to make up state shortfalls and then the city will match it per dollar?

Not all cities have TIC (yes, TIC because we all know who runs the City of Irvine) as a deep pocket backstop who's financial interest is to keep Irvine schools performing well.

 

[irvinehomeshopper]

My nephew Brian C. was UNI class of 2010. He currently attends Cal Berkeley. The college bound acceptance was a voluntary information the students provided to the school. In his case he was accepted to Cornell. Berkeley and USC.  All three schools were reported and registered on the UNI High acceptance tally. UNI has a honor system and students should have reported the truthful information.

The UNI report has a skew for the Ivy statistics because the same group of outstanding scholars accepted to Harvard, Yale, Princeton and Oxford were also accepted to the second tier Ivies as well. numerous Ivy acceptance were the result of the same applicants. The list only reflects the total successful acceptances and not one acceptance per student but rather based on the entire senior class.

UNI has no method of tracking the final campus destination for each students when some late acceptance letters arrive later than June and students had yet to ponder the numerous choices during the summer.

UNI High is an outstanding school. The credits go to the teachers, students and most importantly parents like Brian's mom. She quit her job since Brian started 6th grade to nurture her son to be the very best.  She enrolled him in year round tutoring and SAT prep courses outside of the school. Each summer a good budget was set aside for him to travel internationally to perform voluntary work in order to enhance his college resume. The competitive nature of the school many parents must be involved to insure their children keep up with the class. Some hired professional in house academic trainers year round.

Parents short in cash should seriously consider your budget in addition to your mortgage, MR, HOA and Property tax. Academic coaches demand 15hr/wk at $75/hr. For those without coaching will not be able to compete in class for the best grades. The UNI High student scholars are like the Chinese and Russian Gymnasts trained to humiliate those who are less than perfect.

(revised to delete Brian's last name)

 

[IndieDev]

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Huh?

I see that letter as another piece of evidence of why IUSD is good.

Only IHO could paint an IUSD $40,000,000 budget deficit in a good light. Further proof that TIC marketing is legit baby.

 

[irvinehomeshopper]

Just a side note Brian's mom goes to Berkeley bi-monthly to do his laundry and cook 2 weeks of food to store in tupperwares.

 

[usctrojancpa]

Just a side note Brian's mom goes to Berkeley bi-monthly to do his laundry and cook 2 weeks of food to store in tupperwares.

Wow, I wish I had a mom like that.  And I was much closer over in Westwood too.  Can you believe my mom made me do my own laundry, make my own bed, and help her clean the house every other week???  THE HORROR!!!

 

[homer_simpson]

My nephew Brian Choi was UNI class of 2010. He currently attends Cal Berkeley. The college bound acceptance was a voluntary information the students provided to the school. In his case he was accepted to Cornell. Berkeley and USC.  All three schools were reported and registered on the UNI High acceptance tally. UNI has a honor system and students should have reported the truthful information.

The UNI report has a skew for the Ivy statistics because the same group of outstanding scholars accepted to Harvard, Yale, Princeton and Oxford were also accepted to the second tier Ivies as well. numerous Ivy acceptance were the result of the same applicants. The list only reflects the total successful acceptances and not one acceptance per student but rather based on the entire senior class.

UNI has no method of tracking the final campus destination for each students when some late acceptance letters arrive later than June and students had yet to ponder the numerous choices during the summer.

UNI High is an outstanding school. The credits go to the teachers, students and most importantly parents like Brian's mom. She quit her job since Brian started 6th grade to nurture her son to be the very best.  She enrolled him in year round tutoring and SAT prep courses outside of the school. Each summer a good budget was set aside for him to travel internationally to perform voluntary work in order to enhance his college resume. The competitive nature of the school many parents must be involved to insure their children keep up with the class. Some hired professional in house academic trainers year round.

Parents short in cash should seriously consider your budget in addition to your mortgage, MR, HOA and Property tax. Academic coaches demand 15hr/wk at $75/hr. For those without coaching will not be able to compete in class for the best grades. The UNI High student scholars are like the Chinese and Russian Gymnasts trained to humiliate those who are less than perfect.

His mom quit her job to nurture her son?  Honestly, how many of the Irvine dual income earners could safely quit their job and be able to afford their mortage and living expenses?  I wished my mom could have quit her job and nurtured me from 6th grade and beyond then I could truly afford a home zoned to Uni.