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[quote author="awgee" date=1225059353][quote author="profette" date=1225058250]<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/25/business/25nocera.html?em">So When Will Banks Give Loans? </a>



<span style="color: purple;">What will Chase do with its $25 Billion early Christmas gift from the taxpayer? Will the money be used to help out "Main St." as our President promised?</span> <span style="color: red;">NOOOOOOOOOOO:</span>



"In point of fact, the dirty little secret of the banking industry is that it has no intention of using the money to make new loans. But this executive was the first insider who?s been indiscreet enough to say it within earshot of a journalist..."</blockquote>


If Main Street was the real concern, could not the banks have been sidestepped and the trillions spent so far been loaned directly to Main Street?</blockquote>


I have been reading Mish lately, and I agree with him that the banks shouldn't be lending. What do we need more of? What "pent up demand" really exists in the marketplace? It seems to me that the years of easy money has given us an oversupply of just about everything.



I think Paulson knows this money will go into acquisitions and consolidations. So what? If that is the best use of the money, so be it. At least the US Taxpayer might see a return on their investment if the banks use the money wisely rather than waste it on more bad loans.



This program had to be sold as a way to help Main Street, and ultimately it will help -- after all the bank consolidations to come.
 
[quote author="IrvineRenter" date=1225066569][quote author="awgee" date=1225059353][quote author="profette" date=1225058250]<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/25/business/25nocera.html?em">So When Will Banks Give Loans? </a>



<span style="color: purple;">What will Chase do with its $25 Billion early Christmas gift from the taxpayer? Will the money be used to help out "Main St." as our President promised?</span> <span style="color: red;">NOOOOOOOOOOO:</span>



"In point of fact, the dirty little secret of the banking industry is that it has no intention of using the money to make new loans. But this executive was the first insider who?s been indiscreet enough to say it within earshot of a journalist..."</blockquote>


If Main Street was the real concern, could not the banks have been sidestepped and the trillions spent so far been loaned directly to Main Street?</blockquote>


I have been reading Mish lately, and I agree with him that the banks shouldn't be lending. What do we need more of? What "pent up demand" really exists in the marketplace? It seems to me that the years of easy money has given us an oversupply of just about everything.



I think Paulson knows this money will go into acquisitions and consolidations. So what? If that is the best use of the money, so be it. At least the US Taxpayer might see a return on their investment if the banks use the money wisely rather than waste it on more bad loans.



This program had to be sold as a way to help Main Street, and ultimately it will help -- after all the bank consolidations to come.</blockquote>


"He added, ?We would think that loan volume will continue to go down as we continue to tighten credit to fully reflect the high cost of pricing on the loan side.? In other words JPMorgan has no intention of turning on the lending spigot."



Nice populist spin, however what he really said, which is above, is that when the pricing really reflects the risk, nobody wants the loans.
 
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Awesome! You can scoot your fat a$$ down to <a href="http://www.promenadeshopsatdoslagos.com/go/fb/guide/store.cfm?storeID=1438&CFID=26942908&CFTOKEN=93664975">Friday's</a> to get double order of cheesy bacon potato skins. Now that will sell homes! Taylor Morrison, helping America stay fat one house at a time.



Can you get a DUI on a Segway? Nevermind, you would just keep falling over, and don't forget your helmet. Speaking of helmets, if they throw one in with the Segway, I might consider it. Yeah... right, no 909 for me. LOL... Between Ipo and Skek's stories growing up there, I dunno who has scared me off more?
 
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Awesome! You can scoot your fat a$$ down to <a href="http://www.promenadeshopsatdoslagos.com/go/fb/guide/store.cfm?storeID=1438&CFID=26942908&CFTOKEN=93664975">Friday's</a> to get double order of cheesy bacon potato skins. Now that will sell homes! Taylor Morrison, helping America stay fat one house at a time.



Can you get a DUI on a Segway? Nevermind, you would just keep falling over, and don't forget your helmet. Speaking of helmets, if they throw one in with the Segway, I might consider it. Yeah... right, no 909 for me. LOL... Between Ipo and Skek's stories growing up there, I dunno who has scared me off more?</blockquote>
Condos in the high $200k range out in the middle of nowhere??? Yeah, I'd like to see them sell any of those to some suckers....errr...buyers. haha Those things MIGHT be worth $100/sf, if that.
 
[quote author="IrvineRenter" date=1225184883]Wouldn't you be embarrassed being seen on one of those things?</blockquote>


I think they fall into moped territory.
 
[quote author="IrvineRenter" date=1225184883]Wouldn't you be embarrassed being seen on one of those things?</blockquote>


Just wear this and embrace the dorkitude!



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<a href="http://www.housingwire.com/2008/10/27/mortgage-woes-hit-orange-county-calif-hard-report/">Mortgage Woes Hit Orange County, Calif. Hard: Report</a>





In its annual economic forecast for Orange County, researchers at UCLA?s Andersen Forecast projected that the U.S. and California state economies will move in tandem over the next few years, with income and employment deteriorating further before the housing market evenutally hits bottom.



?Our forecast for slow growth in the 4th quarter was dependent upon consumer demand holding up. The consumer is now uncertain about the effect of current economic policy and is pulling back. Consequently, economic growth projected for the current quarter in California is not going to occur,? said Jerry Nickelsburg, a senior economist with the think-tank.



<strong>?Moreover, the shrinkage in the mortgage finance market in Orange County creates a deep hole in Orange County employment, and history tells us it will be a five to six year process to fill it in with new jobs.?</strong>



The UCLA economists predicted that real estate in Orange County will begin to recover in the second quarter of 2009, with prices stabilizing some point thereafter; commercial real estate, however, is projected to remain weak in the region due to ?a continued decline in the number of jobs in Orange County.?



Local employment is expected begin to make a modest comeback in late 2009, with finance, retail and housing labor markets having suffered the most; higher paying jobs in the professional services, information, government and healthcare sectors are expected to contribute to positive growth in average salaries.



?Inflation in Southern California declines in 2009 and 2010,? the forecast report read. ?The absence of housing price appreciation, a slowdown in rental rate appreciation, weaker U.S. economic growth, and declining energy prices will relieve pressure on the general price level, both regionally and nationwide.?



The real estate woes in Orange County were profiled in-depth in the inaugural issue of HousingWire Magazine, which found the planned community of Ladera Ranch in the county?s southern region to be among the hardest-hit. Prices in the community have fallen 33.7 percent in the past 12 months, as the area was home to myriad young families that used creative and risky mortgage products to afford a home for their families.



For more information, visithttp://www.uclaforecast.com.



Write to Paul Jackson at paul.jackson@housingwire.com.
 
[quote author="IrvineRenter" date=1225225000]<a href="http://www.housingwire.com/2008/10/27/mortgage-woes-hit-orange-county-calif-hard-report/">Mortgage Woes Hit Orange County, Calif. Hard: Report</a>





In its annual economic forecast for Orange County, researchers at UCLA?s Andersen Forecast projected that the U.S. and California state economies will move in tandem over the next few years, with income and employment deteriorating further before the housing market evenutally hits bottom.



?Our forecast for slow growth in the 4th quarter was dependent upon consumer demand holding up. The consumer is now uncertain about the effect of current economic policy and is pulling back. Consequently, economic growth projected for the current quarter in California is not going to occur,? said Jerry Nickelsburg, a senior economist with the think-tank.



<strong>?Moreover, the shrinkage in the mortgage finance market in Orange County creates a deep hole in Orange County employment, and history tells us it will be a five to six year process to fill it in with new jobs.?</strong>



<strong>The UCLA economists predicted that real estate in Orange County will begin to recover in the second quarter of 2009</strong>, with prices stabilizing some point thereafter; commercial real estate, however, is projected to remain weak in the region due to ?a continued decline in the number of jobs in Orange County.?



Local employment is expected begin to make a modest comeback in late 2009, with finance, retail and housing labor markets having suffered the most; higher paying jobs in the professional services, information, government and healthcare sectors are expected to contribute to positive growth in average salaries.



?Inflation in Southern California declines in 2009 and 2010,? the forecast report read. ?The absence of housing price appreciation, a slowdown in rental rate appreciation, weaker U.S. economic growth, and declining energy prices will relieve pressure on the general price level, both regionally and nationwide.?



The real estate woes in Orange County were profiled in-depth in the inaugural issue of HousingWire Magazine, which found the planned community of Ladera Ranch in the county?s southern region to be among the hardest-hit. Prices in the community have fallen 33.7 percent in the past 12 months, as the area was home to myriad young families that used creative and risky mortgage products to afford a home for their families.



For more information, visithttp://www.uclaforecast.com.



Write to Paul Jackson at paul.jackson@housingwire.com.</blockquote>
Sounds like he may have been listening to Jim Cramer a bit too much.
 
[quote author="IrvineRenter" date=1225184883]Wouldn't you be embarrassed being seen on one of those things?</blockquote>


Nah...I don't take myself too seriously, so I'd totally work it.
 
Does ANYONE listen to UCLA anymore?!? Here is their forecast from December 2006



LOS ANGELES - In its fourth quarterly report of 2006, the UCLA Anderson Forecast refuses to join the growing chorus of experts predicting a recession. The Forecast notes in particular that, ?manufacturing is not poised to contribute much to job loss,? and, ?real interest rates are very low and there is no evident credit crunch, not on the horizon.? The report concludes that in light of these conditions, the problems in the housing sector are less severe than they would be otherwise. In short, the decline in the housing sector will be isolated and, while a drag on the national economy, is not enough to cause a recession during the forecast period. The forecast for California is much the same with a declining housing market slowing the economy but, without a secondary source of economic distress, it?s not enough to cause a recession.
 
[quote author="CapitalismWorks" date=1225235826]Does ANYONE listen to UCLA anymore?!? </blockquote>


That school has no credibility whatsoever.
 
Funny, todays post is about bloggers comments about homes for sale. Here is an interesting article on the same topic in the WSJ today. Amazing how art imitates reality.



http://finance.yahoo.com/real-estate/article/106028/Housing-Blogs-Throw-Stones?ref=patrick.net



Housing Blogs Throw Stones



"The current real-estate market has brought out the worst in people," says David Gibbons, director of community relations for Seattle-based Zillow.com, a real-estate site where people can comment on discussion boards.



Not anyone here.
 
[quote author="tenmagnet" date=1225237674][quote author="CapitalismWorks" date=1225235826]Does ANYONE listen to UCLA anymore?!? </blockquote>


That school has no credibility whatsoever.</blockquote>


The University of Constantly Lying to Anyone
 
[quote author="morekaos" date=1225244841]Funny, todays post is about bloggers comments about homes for sale. Here is an interesting article on the same topic in the WSJ today. Amazing how art imitates reality.



http://finance.yahoo.com/real-estate/article/106028/Housing-Blogs-Throw-Stones?ref=patrick.net



Housing Blogs Throw Stones



"The current real-estate market has brought out the worst in people," says David Gibbons, director of community relations for Seattle-based Zillow.com, a real-estate site where people can comment on discussion boards.



Not anyone here.</blockquote>


<a href="http://finance.yahoo.com/real-estate/article/106028/Housing-Blogs-Throw-Stones?ref=patrick.net">Link</a>



8 seconds...time to quote, copy, click on <a>, copy the link and add a title...
 
[quote author="Roo" date=1225269343]Can someone explain what triggered a +10% today?</blockquote>


The herd is panicked.



There are trillions of dollars sitting on the sidelines. The market goes up, the herd charges in afraid they'll be left behind. The market goes down, the herd panicks and sells afraid the economy really is in recession and they'll loose another 30%.



Will the market sell off tomorrow when the Fed cuts rates? Maybe. Will the herd panic and charge for the door? Maybe. Will the market surge if the Fed cuts rates? Maybe. Will the herd then panic and buy anything and everything? Maybe.



Does it matter what the fundamental and real business outlook for your individual holdings are? Not really.
 
[quote author="blackvault_cm" date=1225273878][quote author="Roo" date=1225269343]Can someone explain what triggered a +10% today?</blockquote>


and big Margin Calls</blockquote>
More hedge funds that were short blowin up???
 
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