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<a href="http://www.cnbc.com/id/27406627">Why Banks Are Reluctant To Redo Mortgages (CNBC)</a>



<em>More than three million homes are now expected to be in foreclosure by year?s end, a million more than even the most dire predictions.



On top of that, lenders are taking possession of delinquent properties at twice the normal rate, according to RealtyTrac, which has one of the industry?s most comprehensive databases.



<strong>That means more than one million homes are likely to be repossessed by the end of the year</strong>, which is roughly one-quarter of all US homes for sale. And it could rise to one-third of all homes for sale, which would push already distressed home prices even lower as lenders scramble to unload the properties.</em>
 
[quote author="Trooper" date=1225302667]<a href="http://www.cnbc.com/id/27406627">Why Banks Are Reluctant To Redo Mortgages (CNBC)</a>



<em>More than three million homes are now expected to be in foreclosure by year?s end, a million more than even the most dire predictions.



On top of that, lenders are taking possession of delinquent properties at twice the normal rate, according to RealtyTrac, which has one of the industry?s most comprehensive databases.



<strong>That means more than one million homes are likely to be repossessed by the end of the year</strong>, which is roughly one-quarter of all US homes for sale. And it could rise to one-third of all homes for sale, which would push already distressed home prices even lower as lenders scramble to unload the properties.</em></blockquote>


?In my wildest dreams I couldn?t have imagined that the market could have gotten this much worse, as bad as it was last year,? says Rick Sharga, senior vice president of RealtyTrac.



And yet, when the market was racing up 30% a year, none of the professionals said whoa, wait a minute, this will lead to a problem.
 
<strong>How frequently does the beast of denial need to be fed?</strong>



<a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27441061">U.S. expected to unveil plan for homeowners</a>



WASHINGTON - The government is preparing to unveil a plan that would help around 3 million homeowners avoid foreclosure, sources briefed on the matter said.



A final deal had not been reached as of Wednesday afternoon and negotiations could still fall apart, but government agencies were contemplating using around $50 billion from the recently passed bailout of the financial industry to guarantee about $500 billion in mortgages.



The plan could include loan modifications that would lower interest rates for a five-year period, according to two people briefed on the plan, who asked not to be identified because details were still being worked out and the plan was not yet public.



The plan would be the most aggressive effort yet to limit damages from the collapse of the housing bubble that has shaken financial markets around the world and sparked fears of a global recession.



More than 4 million American homeowners were at least one payment behind on their mortgage loans at the end of June, and 500,000 were in some stage of the foreclosure process, according to the most recent data from the Mortgage Bankers Association.



The government?s program would be run by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. The agency?s chairman, Sheila Bair, said last week she was working ?closely and creatively? with the Treasury Department on such a plan, but revealed few details.



The plan had been scheduled to be announced Wednesday but was pushed back because the details were still being finalized.



Andrew Gray, an FDIC spokesman, said it would be ?premature to speculate about any final framework or parameters of a potential program.?



Treasury Department spokeswoman Jennifer Zuccarelli called details of the loan modification plan ?simply inaccurate.? She said the Bush administration ?is looking at ways to reduce foreclosures, and that process is ongoing,? but has not decided on a final approach.



<strong>Borrower frustration is growing over the government?s slow and limited assistance programs.</strong> [We need more denial]



On Wednesday, about 100 demonstrators marched in front of the headquarters of Fannie Mae and forced a midafternoon meeting with the company?s chief executive, Herbert Allison.



Some held signs that read ?Restructure our loans now,? ?Fannie Mae destroys lives? and ?Foreclose on Fannie Mae.?



Bruce Marks, chief executive of the Boston-based Neighborhood Assistance Corp. of America, said Fannie Mae should adopt a program similar to the one the FDIC put in place at failed IndyMac Bank of Pasadena, Calif. Borrowers there are getting interest rates of about 3 percent for five years. [OK what happens then?]



Fannie Mae, as the largest buyer and guarantor of mortgages ?sets the standard? for the industry, said Marks. ?They talk and they talk and they never do.?



After the meeting, which included Allison and other top managers, company spokeswoman Amy Bonitatibus said ?we agreed to continue to meet with them and work together on foreclosure prevention.?



Over the past 10 weeks, Fannie Mae says it has received more than 40,000 defaulting loans and stopped 80 percent of them from going into foreclosure. [delaying the inevitable]



Last month, the government seized control Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the two biggest U.S. mortgage finance companies, with a rescue plan that could require the Treasury Department to inject as much as $100 billion into each to keep them afloat.



It was unclear Wednesday what role Fannie and Freddie would play in the government?s sweeping plan to help millions of American homeowners. But lawmakers on Capitol Hill want the companies to take a more aggressive approach.



Sen. Christopher Dodd, D-Conn., the chairman of the Senate Banking Committee, said in a statement Wednesday that ?federal agencies and financial institutions must do more to modify the mortgages they hold in order to stop foreclosures and help families keep their homes.?



By guaranteeing millions of mortgages, the government could help restore confidence in the market for securities backed by mortgage loans. That was where the global credit crisis started.



As a surprising number of homeowners began defaulting on their loans, investors could no longer put a value on the securities which were backed by pools of mortgages. So trading of these securities froze, sending shock waves through the financial industry.
 
I'm not sure why, but after IR's last post, the first thirty seconds of this seem appropriate for some reason:



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[quote author="IrvineRenter" date=1225364275]<strong>How frequently does the beast of denial need to be fed?</strong>



<a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27441061">U.S. expected to unveil plan for homeowners</a>



WASHINGTON - The government is preparing to unveil a plan that would help around 3 million homeowners avoid foreclosure, sources briefed on the matter said.



A final deal had not been reached as of Wednesday afternoon and negotiations could still fall apart, but government agencies were contemplating using around $50 billion from the recently passed bailout of the financial industry to guarantee about $500 billion in mortgages.



The plan could include loan modifications that would lower interest rates for a five-year period, according to two people briefed on the plan, who asked not to be identified because details were still being worked out and the plan was not yet public.



The plan would be the most aggressive effort yet to limit damages from the collapse of the housing bubble that has shaken financial markets around the world and sparked fears of a global recession.



More than 4 million American homeowners were at least one payment behind on their mortgage loans at the end of June, and 500,000 were in some stage of the foreclosure process, according to the most recent data from the Mortgage Bankers Association.



The government?s program would be run by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. The agency?s chairman, Sheila Bair, said last week she was working ?closely and creatively? with the Treasury Department on such a plan, but revealed few details.



The plan had been scheduled to be announced Wednesday but was pushed back because the details were still being finalized.



Andrew Gray, an FDIC spokesman, said it would be ?premature to speculate about any final framework or parameters of a potential program.?



Treasury Department spokeswoman Jennifer Zuccarelli called details of the loan modification plan ?simply inaccurate.? She said the Bush administration ?is looking at ways to reduce foreclosures, and that process is ongoing,? but has not decided on a final approach.



<strong>Borrower frustration is growing over the government?s slow and limited assistance programs.</strong> [We need more denial]



On Wednesday, about 100 demonstrators marched in front of the headquarters of Fannie Mae and forced a midafternoon meeting with the company?s chief executive, Herbert Allison.



Some held signs that read ?Restructure our loans now,? ?Fannie Mae destroys lives? and ?Foreclose on Fannie Mae.?



Bruce Marks, chief executive of the Boston-based Neighborhood Assistance Corp. of America, said Fannie Mae should adopt a program similar to the one the FDIC put in place at failed IndyMac Bank of Pasadena, Calif. Borrowers there are getting interest rates of about 3 percent for five years. [OK what happens then?]



Fannie Mae, as the largest buyer and guarantor of mortgages ?sets the standard? for the industry, said Marks. ?They talk and they talk and they never do.?



After the meeting, which included Allison and other top managers, company spokeswoman Amy Bonitatibus said ?we agreed to continue to meet with them and work together on foreclosure prevention.?



Over the past 10 weeks, Fannie Mae says it has received more than 40,000 defaulting loans and stopped 80 percent of them from going into foreclosure. [delaying the inevitable]



Last month, the government seized control Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the two biggest U.S. mortgage finance companies, with a rescue plan that could require the Treasury Department to inject as much as $100 billion into each to keep them afloat.



It was unclear Wednesday what role Fannie and Freddie would play in the government?s sweeping plan to help millions of American homeowners. But lawmakers on Capitol Hill want the companies to take a more aggressive approach.



Sen. Christopher Dodd, D-Conn., the chairman of the Senate Banking Committee, said in a statement Wednesday that ?federal agencies and financial institutions must do more to modify the mortgages they hold in order to stop foreclosures and help families keep their homes.?



By guaranteeing millions of mortgages, the government could help restore confidence in the market for securities backed by mortgage loans. That was where the global credit crisis started.



As a surprising number of homeowners began defaulting on their loans, investors could no longer put a value on the securities which were backed by pools of mortgages. So trading of these securities froze, sending shock waves through the financial industry.</blockquote>
With crap ideas like this, the price declines may be drawn out for 10+ years...let the foreclosures happen so they can clear the market so we can move on. I just wonder what they'll do with the second wave of foreclosures coming from resetting ARM and Option ARMs.
 
Lookout: There coming right for us!



<a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122541894252786951.html">WSJ: The Stampede of the White Elephants.</a>



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North Tustin, lookout. You're neighborhood is about to "get darker".
 
[quote author="no_vaseline" date=1225449881]Lookout: There coming right for us!



<a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122541894252786951.html">WSJ: The Stampede of the White Elephants.</a>



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North Tustin, lookout. You're neighborhood is about to "get darker".</blockquote>


When the high end collapses, it is going to be very, very ugly.
 
Interesting article about borrowers not lowering their payments:

<a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/la-fi-indymac31-2008oct31,0,5733672.story?track=rss">Struggling IndyMac borrowers may be in the dark about offer to lower their mortgage payments</a>
 
[quote author="T!m" date=1225495807]Interesting article about borrowers not lowering their payments:

<a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/la-fi-indymac31-2008oct31,0,5733672.story?track=rss">Struggling IndyMac borrowers may be in the dark about offer to lower their mortgage payments</a></blockquote>
This quote from the article is classic:



"At the other end of the spectrum, IndyMac is rebuffing borrowers who want their debt restructured even though they can afford the payments. The bank has a screening program to identity borrowers who have missed payments intentionally just to appear unable to pay.



Some eligible homeowners have demanded more concessions after IndyMac analyzed their finances and offered to save them hundreds of dollars a month, Wagner said."



So the people that can afford to make the payments don't want to and those that are hundreds of thousands of dollars underway in negative equity don't contact the IndyMac...errr...the FDIC. Big surprise, if I had the choice of getting a 1% loan with a 1,000 year amortization and still have to pay back $100k+ more than the home is worth I'd also throw the keys back at the bank.
 
<a href="http://mortgage.freedomblogging.com/2008/10/31/chase-wamu-to-help-400000-avoid-foreclosure/2565/">Chase-Wamu will halt foreclosures for the next three months.</a>
 
[quote author="SoCal78" date=1225536819]<a href="http://mortgage.freedomblogging.com/2008/10/31/chase-wamu-to-help-400000-avoid-foreclosure/2565/">Chase-Wamu will halt foreclosures for the next three months.</a></blockquote>


Now is the time to default, if you are going to. You get to have 90 more days on JPMorgan.
 
[quote author="usctrojanman29" date=1225514468][quote author="T!m" date=1225495807]Interesting article about borrowers not lowering their payments:

<a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/la-fi-indymac31-2008oct31,0,5733672.story?track=rss">Struggling IndyMac borrowers may be in the dark about offer to lower their mortgage payments</a></blockquote>
This quote from the article is classic:



"At the other end of the spectrum, IndyMac is rebuffing borrowers who want their debt restructured even though they can afford the payments. The bank has a screening program to identity borrowers who have missed payments intentionally just to appear unable to pay.



Some eligible homeowners have demanded more concessions after IndyMac analyzed their finances and offered to save them hundreds of dollars a month, Wagner said."



So the people that can afford to make the payments don't want to and those that are hundreds of thousands of dollars underway in negative equity don't contact the IndyMac...errr...the FDIC. Big surprise, if I had the choice of getting a 1% loan with a 1,000 year amortization and still have to pay back $100k+ more than the home is worth I'd also throw the keys back at the bank.</blockquote>


My guess is that this is why banks would rather foreclose than rework a loan, even though the foreclosure supposedly costs more. Most workouts end up in foreclosure anyways and lowering principal or even interest does not stay a secret, thus leading to more borrowers defaulting and costing much more in the long run.
 
[quote author="awgee" date=1225634659][quote author="usctrojanman29" date=1225514468][quote author="T!m" date=1225495807]Interesting article about borrowers not lowering their payments:

<a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/la-fi-indymac31-2008oct31,0,5733672.story?track=rss">Struggling IndyMac borrowers may be in the dark about offer to lower their mortgage payments</a></blockquote>
This quote from the article is classic:



"At the other end of the spectrum, IndyMac is rebuffing borrowers who want their debt restructured even though they can afford the payments. The bank has a screening program to identity borrowers who have missed payments intentionally just to appear unable to pay.



Some eligible homeowners have demanded more concessions after IndyMac analyzed their finances and offered to save them hundreds of dollars a month, Wagner said."



So the people that can afford to make the payments don't want to and those that are hundreds of thousands of dollars underway in negative equity don't contact the IndyMac...errr...the FDIC. Big surprise, if I had the choice of getting a 1% loan with a 1,000 year amortization and still have to pay back $100k+ more than the home is worth I'd also throw the keys back at the bank.</blockquote>


My guess is that this is why banks would rather foreclose than rework a loan, even though the foreclosure supposedly costs more. Most workouts end up in foreclosure anyways and lowering principal or even interest does not stay a secret, thus leading to more borrowers defaulting and costing much more in the long run.</blockquote>


Some people decide to walk because the house price and mortgage don't match eventhough they can afford the mortgage. Some are savings the payment at home for a down payment to another house.
 
<a href="http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/Worst-job-losses-since-March/story.aspx?guid={E9944A89-B72B-4D36-8ACD-C6963D5545F0}">http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/Worst-job-losses-since-March/story.aspx?guid={E9944A89-B72B-4D36-8ACD-C6963D5545F0}</a>



<blockquote>Worst job losses since March 2003 predicted

Jobs, manufacturing, credit data to be released

On Friday, the government will report the change in payrolls and the unemployment rate for October. Economists surveyed by MarketWatch are looking for payrolls to fall 200,000, a drop that would be the sharpest since March 2003. Economists are looking for an unemployment rate of 6.3%, the highest since June 2003. </blockquote>
 
[quote author="WestparkRenter" date=1225674303][quote author="awgee" date=1225634659][quote author="usctrojanman29" date=1225514468][quote author="T!m" date=1225495807]Interesting article about borrowers not lowering their payments:

<a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/la-fi-indymac31-2008oct31,0,5733672.story?track=rss">Struggling IndyMac borrowers may be in the dark about offer to lower their mortgage payments</a></blockquote>
This quote from the article is classic:



"At the other end of the spectrum, IndyMac is rebuffing borrowers who want their debt restructured even though they can afford the payments. The bank has a screening program to identity borrowers who have missed payments intentionally just to appear unable to pay.



Some eligible homeowners have demanded more concessions after IndyMac analyzed their finances and offered to save them hundreds of dollars a month, Wagner said."



So the people that can afford to make the payments don't want to and those that are hundreds of thousands of dollars underway in negative equity don't contact the IndyMac...errr...the FDIC. Big surprise, if I had the choice of getting a 1% loan with a 1,000 year amortization and still have to pay back $100k+ more than the home is worth I'd also throw the keys back at the bank.</blockquote>


My guess is that this is why banks would rather foreclose than rework a loan, even though the foreclosure supposedly costs more. Most workouts end up in foreclosure anyways and lowering principal or even interest does not stay a secret, thus leading to more borrowers defaulting and costing much more in the long run.</blockquote>


Some people decide to walk because the house price and mortgage don't match eventhough they can afford the mortgage. Some are savings the payment at home for a down payment to another house.</blockquote>
I hate to say this, but I would do exactly the same thing. Why keep paying on something I may be hundreds of thousands upside down on when I can save for my downpayment for my next home for 9-12 months during the foreclosure process as well as the next 3-4 years that my credit is messed up? In 3-5 years, assuming strict savings, you would have a sizable downpayment fund and decent enough credit to buy a home (using an FHA loan most likely).
 
[quote author="usctrojanman29" date=1225716886][quote author="WestparkRenter" date=1225674303][quote author="awgee" date=1225634659][quote author="usctrojanman29" date=1225514468][quote author="T!m" date=1225495807]Interesting article about borrowers not lowering their payments:

<a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/la-fi-indymac31-2008oct31,0,5733672.story?track=rss">Struggling IndyMac borrowers may be in the dark about offer to lower their mortgage payments</a></blockquote>
This quote from the article is classic:



"At the other end of the spectrum, IndyMac is rebuffing borrowers who want their debt restructured even though they can afford the payments. The bank has a screening program to identity borrowers who have missed payments intentionally just to appear unable to pay.



Some eligible homeowners have demanded more concessions after IndyMac analyzed their finances and offered to save them hundreds of dollars a month, Wagner said."



So the people that can afford to make the payments don't want to and those that are hundreds of thousands of dollars underway in negative equity don't contact the IndyMac...errr...the FDIC. Big surprise, if I had the choice of getting a 1% loan with a 1,000 year amortization and still have to pay back $100k+ more than the home is worth I'd also throw the keys back at the bank.</blockquote>


My guess is that this is why banks would rather foreclose than rework a loan, even though the foreclosure supposedly costs more. Most workouts end up in foreclosure anyways and lowering principal or even interest does not stay a secret, thus leading to more borrowers defaulting and costing much more in the long run.</blockquote>


Some people decide to walk because the house price and mortgage don't match eventhough they can afford the mortgage. Some are savings the payment at home for a down payment to another house.</blockquote>
I hate to say this, but I would do exactly the same thing. Why keep paying on something I may be hundreds of thousands upside down on when I can save for my downpayment for my next home for 9-12 months during the foreclosure process as well as the next 3-4 years that my credit is messed up? In 3-5 years, assuming strict savings, you would have a sizable downpayment fund and decent enough credit to buy a home (using an FHA loan most likely).</blockquote>
I'm just reporting what I've heard people are doing. I'm not passing judgment. But I don't approve it when people trash the house on the way out, which a lot of people are thinking of doing if they are not going to jail for it.

I've also heard people who have declared bankruptcy in the last 4 years are able to buy real estate again. This rumour is spreading around at my work place. So apparently a lot of people will be doing it and it will drive property prices down further.
 
I guess I paid off my debts a few years too early...



<a href="http://www.newsday.com/services/newspaper/printedition/saturday/news/ny-bzcred015907148nov01,0,2060183.story">Credit card relief?</a>



Banks, which are losing billions because many card holders aren't paying anything, seek OK to forgive up to 40% of strapped consumers' debts



With defaults on credit card debt spiraling amid a global financial downturn, banks already reeling from the mortgage crisis are losing billions more from unpaid credit card bills.



Big banks have formed an unusual alliance with consumer advocates to urge the government to allow huge portions of credit card debt to be forgiven, a turnabout from recent years when the banking industry lobbied strenuously to make it harder for consumers to erase their credit card debts in bankruptcy.



The new pilot program, which the banks hope will become permanent, could involve as many as 50,000 people struggling with credit card debt. On an individual basis, the amount of debt to be forgiven would rise according to the severity of the borrower's financial situation, up to a maximum of 40 percent.



"There's obviously a financial benefit to the financial institutions to step up to the plate right now," said Susan Keating, president and chief executive of the National Foundation for Credit Counseling. "We absolutely support the proposal."



In an increasingly tough economic climate, banks and other mortgage lenders already have been agreeing to modify loans of distressed homeowners to help them avoid foreclosure. Now, banks making credit card loans have reached a point where they can lose less by forgiving part of the debt than seeing the consumer walk away entirely.



Credit cards now look to be the latest domino to drop in a financial crisis that started with subprime mortgages and continually takes new twists. Amid rising job losses, consumers - even those with strong credit records - have been defaulting at high levels on their credit cards. Banks already battered by the mortgage and credit crises are bleeding tens of billions in red ink from the losses.



Americans are lumbering under about $900 billion in credit card debt, according to the latest available Federal Reserve figures.



The new proposal pitched to federal regulators by the Financial Services Roundtable, which represents more than 100 big banks and other financial companies, and the Consumer Federation of America, would allow lenders to reduce by as much as 40 percent the amount of credit card debt owed by deeply indebted consumers in a pilot program.



WHAT'S IN THE CARDS?



CREDIT CARD MESS. Consumers, even those with solid credit records, have been defaulting at high levels on their credit cards. Banks battered by the mortgage and credit crises are losing tens of billions of dollars from the unpaid debt.



UNUSUAL ALLIES. Big banks have joined with consumer advocates to urge the government to allow a pilot program in which up to 40 percent of an individual's credit card debt could be forgiven, with the remainder to be paid over several years.



HOW IT WOULD WORK. The program could involve as many as 50,000 people. On a case-by-case basis, the amount of debt to be forgiven would rise in sync with the severity of the borrower's financial situation.
 
Student loan bail out next.

<a href="http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/sep/23/student-car-debt-quietly-added/">http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/sep/23/student-car-debt-quietly-added/</a>
 
I wish the car I bought last year to replace my junker was non-recourse & bailout material :( minimum down and minimum payments.



I don't see how they can add car debt to the bailout. I know they'd come repo mine .. it's an econobox that sells.
 
<span style="color: purple;">I admit things look grim, but...</span>



<a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081105/ap_on_el_st_lo/ballot_measures">California Same-Sex Marriage Vote Still Undecided</a>

LOS ANGELES ? A proposed ban on same-sex marriage in California ? widely seen as the most momentous of the 153 ballot measures at stake nationwide ? remained undecided early Wednesday.



The proposed constitutional amendment would limit marriage to heterosexual couples, the first time such a vote has taken place in state where gay unions are legal.



Sponsors of the ban declared victory early Wednesday, but the measure's opponents said too many votes remained uncounted for the race to be called...



With 92 percent of precincts reporting early Wednesday, the ban had 5,010,855 votes, or 52 percent, to 4,650,469 votes, or 48 percent, against. Late absentee and provisional ballots meant as many as <span style="color: red;">3 million ballots were left to be counted </span>after all precinct votes were tallied.
 
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