Harvard Admits 4.6% of Applicants; Other Ivy League Schools Get Tougher, Too

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eyephone said:
Look at the end of the day. I?m looking out for the small guy.
I think students and parents should be informed. I really do.

I know college applications are pricey. Therefore, if there is a slightest chance of you not getting in. Why apply there?
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I don't know why the assumption is that you will get in.  There is 95.6% chance that one does not get in to Harvard.

If you are looking for the small guy...shouldn't you be more advocate of non-academic admission standards?
 
Irvinecommuter said:
Happiness said:
Getting into Harvard seems pretty easy to me.  Jared Kushner got in to Harvard with non-academic high school classes and mediocre grades and test scores:
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/8/2/16084226/jared-kushner-harvard-affirmative-action

Must be that "wholistic" approach we keep hearing about.
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Wait...are you saying that affirmative action is bad because rich white people with lots of power got in?
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I believe affirmative action is bad, but if you are going to get rid of it, you should get rid of it for everybody, favored minorities and the rich.
 
Happiness said:
Irvinecommuter said:
Happiness said:
Getting into Harvard seems pretty easy to me.  Jared Kushner got in to Harvard with non-academic high school classes and mediocre grades and test scores:
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/8/2/16084226/jared-kushner-harvard-affirmative-action

Must be that "wholistic" approach we keep hearing about.
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Wait...are you saying that affirmative action is bad because rich white people with lots of power got in?
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I believe affirmative action is bad, but if you are going to get rid of it, you should get rid of it for everybody, favored minorities and the rich.
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Affirmative action is not for rich white people...it is especially designed to move away from that.
 
Happiness said:
Getting into Harvard seems pretty easy to me.  Jared Kushner got in to Harvard with non-academic high school classes and mediocre grades and test scores:
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/8/2/16084226/jared-kushner-harvard-affirmative-action

Must be that "wholistic" approach we keep hearing about.
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this is exactly what I pointed out as a shortcoming of the " wholistic " approach if you read my post in entirely and not selectively

"Problem is that also leads to nepotism like the legacy admissions for privileged people and leaving out some truly deserving Asian Americans"
 
fortune11 said:
Happiness said:
Getting into Harvard seems pretty easy to me.  Jared Kushner got in to Harvard with non-academic high school classes and mediocre grades and test scores:
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/8/2/16084226/jared-kushner-harvard-affirmative-action

Must be that "wholistic" approach we keep hearing about.
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this is exactly what I pointed out as a shortcoming of the " wholistic " approach if you read my post in entirely and not selectively

"Problem is that also leads to nepotism like the legacy admissions for privileged people and leaving out some truly deserving Asian Americans"
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I don't think Kushner was a legacy admission was he?  His daddy donated major bucks to get him in.
 
Liar Loan said:
fortune11 said:
Happiness said:
Getting into Harvard seems pretty easy to me.  Jared Kushner got in to Harvard with non-academic high school classes and mediocre grades and test scores:
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/8/2/16084226/jared-kushner-harvard-affirmative-action

Must be that "wholistic" approach we keep hearing about.
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this is exactly what I pointed out as a shortcoming of the " wholistic " approach if you read my post in entirely and not selectively

"Problem is that also leads to nepotism like the legacy admissions for privileged people and leaving out some truly deserving Asian Americans"
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I don't think Kushner was a legacy admission was he?  His daddy donated major bucks to get him in.
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Correct, Kushner was not a legacy admission, he was admitted in exchange for cold hard cash. So stop whining Asians and get out those checkbooks.
 
fortune11 said:
Happiness said:
Getting into Harvard seems pretty easy to me.  Jared Kushner got in to Harvard with non-academic high school classes and mediocre grades and test scores:
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/8/2/16084226/jared-kushner-harvard-affirmative-action

Must be that "wholistic" approach we keep hearing about.
Click to expand...

this is exactly what I pointed out as a shortcoming of the " wholistic " approach if you read my post in entirely and not selectively

"Problem is that also leads to nepotism like the legacy admissions for privileged people and leaving out some truly deserving Asian Americans"
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Yeah...cuz rich white people didn't get into colleges before affirmative action!
https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2017/08/asians-affirmative-action/535812/
https://www.mercurynews.com/2013/06/21/affirmative-action-ban-at-uc-15-years-later/

Hmmm...

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Happiness said:
Liar Loan said:
fortune11 said:
Happiness said:
Getting into Harvard seems pretty easy to me.  Jared Kushner got in to Harvard with non-academic high school classes and mediocre grades and test scores:
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/8/2/16084226/jared-kushner-harvard-affirmative-action

Must be that "wholistic" approach we keep hearing about.
Click to expand...

this is exactly what I pointed out as a shortcoming of the " wholistic " approach if you read my post in entirely and not selectively

"Problem is that also leads to nepotism like the legacy admissions for privileged people and leaving out some truly deserving Asian Americans"
Click to expand...

I don't think Kushner was a legacy admission was he?  His daddy donated major bucks to get him in.
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Correct, Kushner was not a legacy admission, he was admitted in exchange for cold hard cash. So stop whining Asians and get out those checkbooks.
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Or just marry a Harvard guy or gal and exponentially increase your kids? chances.  Last stat I saw: legacies make up 30% of the incoming class.
 
Happiness said:
Liar Loan said:
fortune11 said:
Happiness said:
Getting into Harvard seems pretty easy to me.  Jared Kushner got in to Harvard with non-academic high school classes and mediocre grades and test scores:
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/8/2/16084226/jared-kushner-harvard-affirmative-action

Must be that "wholistic" approach we keep hearing about.
Click to expand...

this is exactly what I pointed out as a shortcoming of the " wholistic " approach if you read my post in entirely and not selectively

"Problem is that also leads to nepotism like the legacy admissions for privileged people and leaving out some truly deserving Asian Americans"
Click to expand...

I don't think Kushner was a legacy admission was he?  His daddy donated major bucks to get him in.
Click to expand...
Correct, Kushner was not a legacy admission, he was admitted in exchange for cold hard cash. So stop whining Asians and get out those checkbooks.
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The cards are stacked, I?m telling you.
 
None of these rich guys even need to work either -- but they do . degrees are by and large an Ego thing . 

But it is all about getting access to the network - and that's where the real privilege lies.  its very hard for the unconnected or poor (of all races) to break into an upper echelon , esp. with like for like marriages ( couples from same income/educational/career backgrounds)  .  that's where an elite degree goes a long long way ...
 
fortune11 said:
None of these rich guys even need to work either -- but they do . degrees are by and large an Ego thing . 

But it is all about getting access to the network - and that's where the real privilege lies.  its very hard for the unconnected or poor (of all races) to break into an upper echelon , esp. with like for like marriages ( couples from same income/educational/career backgrounds)  .  that's where an elite degree goes a long long way ...
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Exactly. Check out the summer programs or 1st year analysts at the top banks. You?ll find a whole bunch of kids of CEO/CFOs with mediocre credentials. If even a few of those CEO/CFOs toss the bank a deal (which they do), it?s all worth it.
 
eyephone said:
Get over the hype. ;)
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Lot of 1st gen Asians gave up a lot of social (and economic) status when they immigrated. Hence their tendency to brag a lot about their kids. Getting the kid into a top school is a means of rebuilding social status for them. 2nd gen, once somewhat accomplished and integrated, don?t really view college as a means of gaining status.

Imo, Asians could learn something from the Jewish community who seem to have a lot more clout and stronger networks because they appear more supportive of each other and common causes imo
 
Happiness said:
Liar Loan said:
fortune11 said:
Happiness said:
Getting into Harvard seems pretty easy to me.  Jared Kushner got in to Harvard with non-academic high school classes and mediocre grades and test scores:
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/8/2/16084226/jared-kushner-harvard-affirmative-action

Must be that "wholistic" approach we keep hearing about.
Click to expand...

this is exactly what I pointed out as a shortcoming of the " wholistic " approach if you read my post in entirely and not selectively

"Problem is that also leads to nepotism like the legacy admissions for privileged people and leaving out some truly deserving Asian Americans"
Click to expand...

I don't think Kushner was a legacy admission was he?  His daddy donated major bucks to get him in.
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Correct, Kushner was not a legacy admission, he was admitted in exchange for cold hard cash. So stop whining Asians and get out those checkbooks.
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No but he still had to have a legacy vouch for him to be able to get in    --- it is the same thing albeit in a roundabout way , but money is involved -- the $$$ is unspoken, but implied in a true gentlemen fashion. 
at-least thats my experience from people I know at my school from back in the day. 
 
bones said:
Happiness said:
Liar Loan said:
fortune11 said:
Happiness said:
Getting into Harvard seems pretty easy to me.  Jared Kushner got in to Harvard with non-academic high school classes and mediocre grades and test scores:
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/8/2/16084226/jared-kushner-harvard-affirmative-action

Must be that "wholistic" approach we keep hearing about.
Click to expand...

this is exactly what I pointed out as a shortcoming of the " wholistic " approach if you read my post in entirely and not selectively

"Problem is that also leads to nepotism like the legacy admissions for privileged people and leaving out some truly deserving Asian Americans"
Click to expand...

I don't think Kushner was a legacy admission was he?  His daddy donated major bucks to get him in.
Click to expand...
Correct, Kushner was not a legacy admission, he was admitted in exchange for cold hard cash. So stop whining Asians and get out those checkbooks.
Click to expand...

Or just marry a Harvard guy or gal and exponentially increase your kids? chances.  Last stat I saw: legacies make up 30% of the incoming class.
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If both parents are Harvard people, does that make getting in even easier? I hope not, because that would restrict the Harvard alum gene pool and cause birth defects.
 
I think you need to have donated money.  According to a reddit post I read, the easiest way to get in for your child is if you are an alum who has donated to the school. 

That application gets put in the special pile.

This goes to show if you're a dead beat alum, you ain't getting no special considerations.
 
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