coronavirus

[morekaos]

09/03/2020

Kinda stale?over a year ago and no protocols then?old news and not relevant to this story.

 

[Liar Loan]

You don't seem to grasp the difference between a population and a sample.  A case count of four is not a enough to draw the conclusions that you did.  When you said "it shows that it helps to be vaccinated" that is misinformation akin to anything Fox News would run with.

I wasn't trying draw conclusions from these cases that vaccination helps because you and I already know that it's been proven by the Delta surge. These cases just show that it helps. Still.

To refresh your memory, back in July-September, when there was a surge in COVID cases, more than 95% of the hospitalized COVID patients were unvaccinated. And this happened across the US, from states like Alabama where only 30% of the eligible population was vaccinated to states like California where 65% of the eligible population was vaccinated.

Delta and Omicron are two separate variants.  According to scientists, Omicron is looking like a hybrid between covid and a cold virus.  Pfizer has said it will take about three weeks before they know how effective their vaccine is against it. 

Why would you continue posting misinformation by saying it's "proven" that vaccination helps against Omicron when no such thing is true?  Admitting you were wrong will help shore up your credibility.  Otherwise, you really have no leg to stand on when criticizing the posts of others. 

Your name-calling is already a major turnoff and I'm on the verge of blocking your nonsense.  Morekaos has been posting here and on the predecessor site for 15 years, so your attacks aren't likely to change his style or cause him to stop posting.  My prediction is you will be gone in less than a year.

I said the vaccine has been proven to help against COVID. You have been trying to distort things, like the article about Ivermectin.

Moretroll has been intentionally posting misinformations, so I've been calling him out on it. He's even admitted that he does that to troll. If you don't like my name-calling, then go ahead and block. I don't give a crap about it.

The fake story that ivermectin OD's in Oklahoma were preventing gunshot victims from getting ER treatment has been thoroughly debunked.  I'm excited to see your defense of this misinformation and how I twisted it though... LOL

 

[eyephone]

09/03/2020

Kinda stale?over a year ago and no protocols then?old news and not relevant to this story.

Stale story? It is example that shows covid particle were found in air vents.

I dony get your logic. How did your kids? Did you lie to them like what you do on talk irivine? Hahaha

 

[morekaos]

Duhhhh?LOL

In June, Norwegian Cruise Line announced new health and safety protocols that included the installation of new medical-grade H13 HEPA (High Efficiency Particulate Air) filters across its fleet. These filters are estimated to remove 99.95 percent of all airborne pathogens that are 0.1 microns or larger. The COVID-19 pathogen is 25 percent larger than this standard, coming in at 0.125 microns. For comparison, a single human hair is 75 microns -- 75,000 percent larger.
[url]https://www.cruisecritic.com/articles.cfm?ID=5474[/url]
https://youtu.be/q2rVcxkbIQc

 

[eyephone]

There are so many factors we do not know.
1. Did the isolated person use disposable plates. If not someone would have get his plates from his room. There can be potential exposure.
2. Trash: How did they handle the trash from his room? Some that took out his trash could of got exposed.

I can keep on going. There are a lot of I dont knows.


So the new trend on talk irvine is to omit key facts from a story.

 

[eyephone]

Another rabbit hole is that someone could of have a fake vaccination card. (idk for discussion purposes)

 

[eyephone]

This might be a distraction by him. Because the emergency rooms are around 70% across the US.

Hopefully it does not get jam packed like the last surge. 

 

[morekaos]

There are so many factors we do not know.
1. Did the isolated person use disposable plates. If not someone would have get his plates from his room. There can be potential exposure.
2. Trash: How did they handle the trash from his room? Some that took out his trash could of got exposed.

I can keep on going. There are a lot of I dont knows.


So the new trend on talk irvine is to omit key facts from a story.

Because you don?t know, do you? Because it wasn?t reporter, was it? You just made that leap and reported it as if true because it supported what you wanted to believe?didn?t you?

 

[eyephone]

There are so many factors we do not know.
1. Did the isolated person use disposable plates. If not someone would have get his plates from his room. There can be potential exposure.
2. Trash: How did they handle the trash from his room? Some that took out his trash could of got exposed.

I can keep on going. There are a lot of I dont knows.


So the new trend on talk irvine is to omit key facts from a story.

Because you don?t know, do you? Because it wasn?t reporter, was it? You just made that leap and reported it as if true because it supported what you wanted to believe?didn?t you?

1. You or your source materially left a key fact.
2. I did not make a leap. I simply gave an example how covid travel through the ac system.
3. Also, I gave an example how covid can easily be transmitted by removing the plates and trash from the room. (hypothetically for entertainment purposes only)

 

[akula1488]

Regarding 3% fatality for vaccine injuries (not vaccinated)

Quick search on Twitter.. outcome wise 1223 death out of 422086 adverse events (2.85%) and 9.4k unknown. It is scarier than I thought.  This is Pfizer own data...

https://twitter.com/nick_the_geek78/status/1466824421625237512?t=ktK_hKmLX67CZc6oerrbjA&s=19

You can read the PDF here. Pfizer filing to FDA https://t.co/hz8BSDTBeI?s=09
It has much more detailed breakdown on the adverse events.

3% of vaccine injuries are fatal. This is from FDA and Pfizer based on a 90 day study when the vaccine just rolled out, information that was released at end of Nov that FDA want to lock up for 55 years. The chance of vaccine injury is not zero. This is not mis information.
And according to a Pfizer board member, their vaccine doesn't cause death others do. Does that mean overall vaccine has a higher fatality rate?

These are facts that ones can easily verify. I am wondering why Calbears refuse to see facts and promote vaccinate mandate for everyone. Is he so scared of Coronavirus that not only he triple jab himself wearing triple masks staying at his tiny apartment watching MSNBC and CNN and cursing at moderate and right wingers by blaming them for his inability to afford a new house in Irvine and watching the price keeps going up?

The wording is confusing on your post.
Are you telling me 3% of people who got the COVID vaccine are dead?
What does 3% of vaccine injuries are fatal mean?


Can't you just make it simple for us smooth brains and tell us how many people have died due to the shot?

Probably no one died and injuries are likely a sore arm for a few hours, but "facts" are in the mind of the beholder. "In the U.S., rough?ly 10,000 peo?ple a day die," Po?land said. "By chance alone, thou?sands of those are going to die with?in X num?ber of hours or days of get?ting a COVID vac?cine. Does that mean it caused it? No more than the many thou?sands of peo?ple who get in a car ac?ci?dent today. Did the vac?cine cause their ac?ci?dent?"
https://www.startribune.com/list-of...hat-it-seems-public-officials-warn/600116412/

 

[morekaos]

There are so many factors we do not know.
1. Did the isolated person use disposable plates. If not someone would have get his plates from his room. There can be potential exposure.
2. Trash: How did they handle the trash from his room? Some that took out his trash could of got exposed.

I can keep on going. There are a lot of I dont knows.


So the new trend on talk irvine is to omit key facts from a story.

Because you don?t know, do you? Because it wasn?t reporter, was it? You just made that leap and reported it as if true because it supported what you wanted to believe?didn?t you?

1. You or your source materially left a key fact.
2. I did not make a leap. I simply gave an example how covid travel through the ac system.
3. Also, I gave an example how covid can easily be transmitted by removing the plates and trash from the room. (hypothetically for entertainment purposes only)

Here?s another possibility?the South African escapes his room and spits in the Blue Hawaiin Punch bowl?that?s possible too isn?t it?  Yah that?s the ticket?he spit in the punch!?
https://youtu.be/su9ExdWyT-w

 

[nosuchreality]

Regarding 3% fatality for vaccine injuries (not vaccinated)

Quick search on Twitter.. outcome wise 1223 death out of 422086 adverse events (2.85%) and 9.4k unknown. It is scarier than I thought.  This is Pfizer own data...

https://twitter.com/nick_the_geek78/status/1466824421625237512?t=ktK_hKmLX67CZc6oerrbjA&s=19

You can read the PDF here. Pfizer filing to FDA https://t.co/hz8BSDTBeI?s=09
It has much more detailed breakdown on the adverse events.

3% of vaccine injuries are fatal. This is from FDA and Pfizer based on a 90 day study when the vaccine just rolled out, information that was released at end of Nov that FDA want to lock up for 55 years. The chance of vaccine injury is not zero. This is not mis information.
And according to a Pfizer board member, their vaccine doesn't cause death others do. Does that mean overall vaccine has a higher fatality rate?

These are facts that ones can easily verify. I am wondering why Calbears refuse to see facts and promote vaccinate mandate for everyone. Is he so scared of Coronavirus that not only he triple jab himself wearing triple masks staying at his tiny apartment watching MSNBC and CNN and cursing at moderate and right wingers by blaming them for his inability to afford a new house in Irvine and watching the price keeps going up?

The wording is confusing on your post.
Are you telling me 3% of people who got the COVID vaccine are dead?
What does 3% of vaccine injuries are fatal mean?


Can't you just make it simple for us smooth brains and tell us how many people have died due to the shot?

Probably no one died and injuries are likely a sore arm for a few hours, but "facts" are in the mind of the beholder. "In the U.S., rough?ly 10,000 peo?ple a day die," Po?land said. "By chance alone, thou?sands of those are going to die with?in X num?ber of hours or days of get?ting a COVID vac?cine. Does that mean it caused it? No more than the many thou?sands of peo?ple who get in a car ac?ci?dent today. Did the vac?cine cause their ac?ci?dent?"
https://www.startribune.com/list-of...hat-it-seems-public-officials-warn/600116412/

Oh my 10,000 headaches.  8000 cases of Pyrexia (that?s fever) 1800 cases of acne, jk, aches.

Why search Twitter, search the VAERs database directly at the CDC.  Yep, some people died of a cardiac issue with onset more than 120 days after their vaccination and they were over 75.  Shocking!

 

[eyephone]

There are so many factors we do not know.
1. Did the isolated person use disposable plates. If not someone would have get his plates from his room. There can be potential exposure.
2. Trash: How did they handle the trash from his room? Some that took out his trash could of got exposed.

I can keep on going. There are a lot of I dont knows.


So the new trend on talk irvine is to omit key facts from a story.

Because you don?t know, do you? Because it wasn?t reporter, was it? You just made that leap and reported it as if true because it supported what you wanted to believe?didn?t you?

1. You or your source materially left a key fact.
2. I did not make a leap. I simply gave an example how covid travel through the ac system.
3. Also, I gave an example how covid can easily be transmitted by removing the plates and trash from the room. (hypothetically for entertainment purposes only)

Here?s another possibility?the South African escapes his room and spits in the Blue Hawaiin Punch bowl?that?s possible too isn?t it?  Yah that?s the ticket?he spit in the punch!?
https://youtu.be/su9ExdWyT-w

By your posts you think covid is a joke. Unfortunately it is not. 

 

[morekaos]

You never get it?I don?t think Covid is a joke?but the way some people react to it?yeah, I think that?s a joke.

 

[akula1488]

I don't think you actually read the official Pfizer document.
So you are saying the 3% death rate (of whom have vaccine adverse effects) is in line with natural death rate due to other causes? Cant you say the same for COVID deaths?
Like somebody with gunshot wound or stage 4 terminal cancer, died after being admitted to an hospital and tested positive for COVID, shocker!

Regarding 3% fatality for vaccine injuries (not vaccinated)

Quick search on Twitter.. outcome wise 1223 death out of 422086 adverse events (2.85%) and 9.4k unknown. It is scarier than I thought.  This is Pfizer own data...

https://twitter.com/nick_the_geek78/status/1466824421625237512?t=ktK_hKmLX67CZc6oerrbjA&s=19

You can read the PDF here. Pfizer filing to FDA https://t.co/hz8BSDTBeI?s=09
It has much more detailed breakdown on the adverse events.

3% of vaccine injuries are fatal. This is from FDA and Pfizer based on a 90 day study when the vaccine just rolled out, information that was released at end of Nov that FDA want to lock up for 55 years. The chance of vaccine injury is not zero. This is not mis information.
And according to a Pfizer board member, their vaccine doesn't cause death others do. Does that mean overall vaccine has a higher fatality rate?

These are facts that ones can easily verify. I am wondering why Calbears refuse to see facts and promote vaccinate mandate for everyone. Is he so scared of Coronavirus that not only he triple jab himself wearing triple masks staying at his tiny apartment watching MSNBC and CNN and cursing at moderate and right wingers by blaming them for his inability to afford a new house in Irvine and watching the price keeps going up?

The wording is confusing on your post.
Are you telling me 3% of people who got the COVID vaccine are dead?
What does 3% of vaccine injuries are fatal mean?


Can't you just make it simple for us smooth brains and tell us how many people have died due to the shot?

Probably no one died and injuries are likely a sore arm for a few hours, but "facts" are in the mind of the beholder. "In the U.S., rough?ly 10,000 peo?ple a day die," Po?land said. "By chance alone, thou?sands of those are going to die with?in X num?ber of hours or days of get?ting a COVID vac?cine. Does that mean it caused it? No more than the many thou?sands of peo?ple who get in a car ac?ci?dent today. Did the vac?cine cause their ac?ci?dent?"
https://www.startribune.com/list-of...hat-it-seems-public-officials-warn/600116412/

Oh my 10,000 headaches.  8000 cases of Pyrexia (that?s fever) 1800 cases of acne, jk, aches.

Why search Twitter, search the VAERs database directly at the CDC.  Yep, some people died of a cardiac issue with onset more than 120 days after their vaccination and they were over 75.  Shocking!

 

[akula1488]

Pfizers own safety report for vaccine adverse incidents for the first 90 days of vaccination is quite scary. 42086 relevant cases, 11361 not recovered at time of report (what?) 1223 fatal and 9400 Unknown (what?)
23 spontaneous abortions out of 270 pregnancies (is this normal rate?)
Unfortunately they redacted # of vaccination given in this period.
Their conclusion is favorable benefit, risk balance.

Obviously this is from Pfizer so one can argue the actual numbers might be worse.

In an ideal world with objective science, one can choose to be vaccinated or not based on the risk and risk tolerance that is different for every one.  But with highly politicized medias and entities with different agenda and bias, it is more difficult to get the facts. Calbears is a prime example of someone who lacks critical thinking skills, bought into the COVID fear mongering and accuses every thing that doesn't fit his narrative as misinformation. He calls everyone that doesn't agree with him morons.
He is a religious believer that government our elected officials are all altruistic saints that only care about the people and refuse to see the same very people he worships often do something different than what they preach.

 

[nosuchreality]

I did look at it.  I know what I looked at.  I also looked at the VAERs DB. 
Maybe this will help you understand where you?re being lead down a rabbit hole.
https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/does-vaers-list-deaths-caused-by-covid-19-vaccines

I don't think you actually read the official Pfizer document.
So you are saying the 3% death rate (of whom have vaccine adverse effects) is in line with natural death rate due to other causes? Cant you say the same for COVID deaths?
Like somebody with gunshot wound or stage 4 terminal cancer, died after being admitted to an hospital and tested positive for COVID, shocker!

Regarding 3% fatality for vaccine injuries (not vaccinated)

Quick search on Twitter.. outcome wise 1223 death out of 422086 adverse events (2.85%) and 9.4k unknown. It is scarier than I thought.  This is Pfizer own data...

https://twitter.com/nick_the_geek78/status/1466824421625237512?t=ktK_hKmLX67CZc6oerrbjA&s=19

You can read the PDF here. Pfizer filing to FDA https://t.co/hz8BSDTBeI?s=09
It has much more detailed breakdown on the adverse events.

3% of vaccine injuries are fatal. This is from FDA and Pfizer based on a 90 day study when the vaccine just rolled out, information that was released at end of Nov that FDA want to lock up for 55 years. The chance of vaccine injury is not zero. This is not mis information.
And according to a Pfizer board member, their vaccine doesn't cause death others do. Does that mean overall vaccine has a higher fatality rate?

These are facts that ones can easily verify. I am wondering why Calbears refuse to see facts and promote vaccinate mandate for everyone. Is he so scared of Coronavirus that not only he triple jab himself wearing triple masks staying at his tiny apartment watching MSNBC and CNN and cursing at moderate and right wingers by blaming them for his inability to afford a new house in Irvine and watching the price keeps going up?

The wording is confusing on your post.
Are you telling me 3% of people who got the COVID vaccine are dead?
What does 3% of vaccine injuries are fatal mean?


Can't you just make it simple for us smooth brains and tell us how many people have died due to the shot?

Probably no one died and injuries are likely a sore arm for a few hours, but "facts" are in the mind of the beholder. "In the U.S., rough?ly 10,000 peo?ple a day die," Po?land said. "By chance alone, thou?sands of those are going to die with?in X num?ber of hours or days of get?ting a COVID vac?cine. Does that mean it caused it? No more than the many thou?sands of peo?ple who get in a car ac?ci?dent today. Did the vac?cine cause their ac?ci?dent?"
https://www.startribune.com/list-of...hat-it-seems-public-officials-warn/600116412/

Oh my 10,000 headaches.  8000 cases of Pyrexia (that?s fever) 1800 cases of acne, jk, aches.

Why search Twitter, search the VAERs database directly at the CDC.  Yep, some people died of a cardiac issue with onset more than 120 days after their vaccination and they were over 75.  Shocking!

 

[akula1488]

So Pfizer is likely exaggerating the bad numbers in their report to the FDA that needs to approve their vaccine? That makes a lot of sense. Thank you.

I did look at it.  I know what I looked at.  I also looked at the VAERs DB. 
Maybe this will help you understand where you?re being lead down a rabbit hole.
https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/does-vaers-list-deaths-caused-by-covid-19-vaccines

I don't think you actually read the official Pfizer document.
So you are saying the 3% death rate (of whom have vaccine adverse effects) is in line with natural death rate due to other causes? Cant you say the same for COVID deaths?
Like somebody with gunshot wound or stage 4 terminal cancer, died after being admitted to an hospital and tested positive for COVID, shocker!

Regarding 3% fatality for vaccine injuries (not vaccinated)

Quick search on Twitter.. outcome wise 1223 death out of 422086 adverse events (2.85%) and 9.4k unknown. It is scarier than I thought.  This is Pfizer own data...

https://twitter.com/nick_the_geek78/status/1466824421625237512?t=ktK_hKmLX67CZc6oerrbjA&s=19

You can read the PDF here. Pfizer filing to FDA https://t.co/hz8BSDTBeI?s=09
It has much more detailed breakdown on the adverse events.

3% of vaccine injuries are fatal. This is from FDA and Pfizer based on a 90 day study when the vaccine just rolled out, information that was released at end of Nov that FDA want to lock up for 55 years. The chance of vaccine injury is not zero. This is not mis information.
And according to a Pfizer board member, their vaccine doesn't cause death others do. Does that mean overall vaccine has a higher fatality rate?

These are facts that ones can easily verify. I am wondering why Calbears refuse to see facts and promote vaccinate mandate for everyone. Is he so scared of Coronavirus that not only he triple jab himself wearing triple masks staying at his tiny apartment watching MSNBC and CNN and cursing at moderate and right wingers by blaming them for his inability to afford a new house in Irvine and watching the price keeps going up?

The wording is confusing on your post.
Are you telling me 3% of people who got the COVID vaccine are dead?
What does 3% of vaccine injuries are fatal mean?


Can't you just make it simple for us smooth brains and tell us how many people have died due to the shot?

Probably no one died and injuries are likely a sore arm for a few hours, but "facts" are in the mind of the beholder. "In the U.S., rough?ly 10,000 peo?ple a day die," Po?land said. "By chance alone, thou?sands of those are going to die with?in X num?ber of hours or days of get?ting a COVID vac?cine. Does that mean it caused it? No more than the many thou?sands of peo?ple who get in a car ac?ci?dent today. Did the vac?cine cause their ac?ci?dent?"
https://www.startribune.com/list-of...hat-it-seems-public-officials-warn/600116412/

Oh my 10,000 headaches.  8000 cases of Pyrexia (that?s fever) 1800 cases of acne, jk, aches.

Why search Twitter, search the VAERs database directly at the CDC.  Yep, some people died of a cardiac issue with onset more than 120 days after their vaccination and they were over 75.  Shocking!

 

[morekaos]

VAERS automatically under reports negative reactions as it is voluntary and some individuals probably never report less adverse reactions.


VAERS Data Limitations

When reviewing data from VAERS, please keep in mind the following limitations:

VAERS is a passive reporting system, meaning that reports about adverse events are not automatically collected, but require a report to be filed to VAERS. VAERS reports can be submitted voluntarily by anyone, including healthcare providers, patients, or family members. Reports vary in quality and completeness. They often lack details and sometimes can have information that contains errors.

"Underreporting" is one of the main limitations of passive surveillance systems, including VAERS. The term, underreporting refers to the fact that VAERS receives reports for only a small fraction of actual adverse events.
[url]https://vaers.hhs.gov/data/dataguide.html[/url]

 

[zovall]

The industry creates VAERS..
It is voluntary so a ton of effects are never reported.. Most people don't even know this exists or that they should report anything (I certainly did not when our kids were being immunized for all the typical childhood vaccinations).
And now, I hear people saying that even if there are adverse effects reported in VAERS for Covid vaccines, it is probably fake because anyone can report anything..

So basically, don't worry.. we have a system.. no one uses it.. oh, but if someone uses it, they are lying because they want to make it seem like the vaccines are causing injury..  :