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Moreliar still lying, I see.

When Pfizer and Moderna were first approved against Alpha variant, they claimed ~95% efficacy. This efficacy dropped to ~80% when Delta variant came to existence. And both Pfizer and Moderna already said that the efficacy will fade with time, which is why a booster is needed. And yet, this conservative source of misinformation you quoted from implied that the current claim is 100%, which is why they made such a huge deal on the infections. That is a lie. You know it's a lie and you use the article.
 
eyephone said:
The point is made your own story. When you failed to mention the South African crew member.

That doesn't matter...by your own story the crew member was vaccinated and isolated the whole cruise.
 
CalBears96 said:
Moreliar still lying, I see.

When Pfizer and Moderna were first approved against Alpha variant, they claimed ~95% efficacy. This efficacy dropped to ~80% when Delta variant came to existence. And both Pfizer and Moderna already said that the efficacy will fade with time, which is why a booster is needed. And yet, this conservative source of misinformation you quoted from implied that the current claim is 100%, which is why they made such a huge deal on the infections. That is a lie. You know it's a lie and you use the article.

I didn't say it...St. Fauci said it over and over...he was wrong.
 
eyephone said:
morekaos said:
"crew member who was in isolation for the entirety of the cruise," Not a factor...however the infections jumped from 10 to 12 now they admit 17...70% jump in just `12 hours...it is actually much higher and 100% were vaccinated....works great!!

Both Norwegian Cruise Lines and the Port of New Orleans said the cruise line requires all guests and crew members to be fully vaccinated, with on-site testing and proof of vaccination needed in order for people to board.

Yes it is a factor. Omicron is contagious.

I'm still deciding if moreliar is just a troll or a moron.

Omicron is even more contagious than Delta and we've seen that it has infected fully vaccinated people. And we know for a fact that COVID vaccine's efficacy fades with time, which is why booster is needed. Most likely, a lot of these people on the cruise have not got their booster yet to improve the efficacy. And the cruise is a closed space, so of course you would see a surge of infections.
 
Weekly / May 28, 2021 / 70(21);792?793

COVID-19 Vaccine Breakthrough Infections Reported to CDC ? United States, January 1?April 30, 2021

A new report from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention shows just how well COVID-19 vaccines protect against the virus as you reenter society.

The four-month study from January 1 to April 30 found that out of 101 million fully vaccinated people, only 10,000 ? .01% ? contracted COVID-19.
University of South Florida public health professor Dr. Thomas Unnasch said a 99% effective rate is better than the initial clinical trials.

"It?s really fantastic. It?s amazing how successful and effective the vaccine is," said Unnasch.
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7021e3.htm

Coronavirus vaccine 99% effective in preventing serious disease, death
FEBRUARY 20, 2021 23:01


The Pfizer coronavirus vaccine has proven to be about 99% effective in preventing hospitalization, serious disease and death for those who are past two weeks from the second dose, new data released by the Health Ministry on Saturday night showed.

https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/coronavirus-vaccine-99-percent-effective-in-preventing-serious-disease-death-659613
 
CalBears96 said:
Liar Loan said:
You don't seem to grasp the difference between a population and a sample.  A case count of four is not a enough to draw the conclusions that you did.  When you said "it shows that it helps to be vaccinated" that is misinformation akin to anything Fox News would run with.

I wasn't trying draw conclusions from these cases that vaccination helps because you and I already know that it's been proven by the Delta surge. These cases just show that it helps. Still.

To refresh your memory, back in July-September, when there was a surge in COVID cases, more than 95% of the hospitalized COVID patients were unvaccinated. And this happened across the US, from states like Alabama where only 30% of the eligible population was vaccinated to states like California where 65% of the eligible population was vaccinated.

Delta and Omicron are two separate variants.  According to scientists, Omicron is looking like a hybrid between covid and a cold virus.  Pfizer has said it will take about three weeks before they know how effective their vaccine is against it. 

Why would you continue posting misinformation by saying it's "proven" that vaccination helps against Omicron when no such thing is true?  Admitting you were wrong will help shore up your credibility.  Otherwise, you really have no leg to stand on when criticizing the posts of others. 

Your name-calling is already a major turnoff and I'm on the verge of blocking your nonsense.  Morekaos has been posting here and on the predecessor site for 15 years, so your attacks aren't likely to change his style or cause him to stop posting.  My prediction is you will be gone in less than a year.
 
Liar Loan said:
CalBears96 said:
Liar Loan said:
You don't seem to grasp the difference between a population and a sample.  A case count of four is not a enough to draw the conclusions that you did.  When you said "it shows that it helps to be vaccinated" that is misinformation akin to anything Fox News would run with.

I wasn't trying draw conclusions from these cases that vaccination helps because you and I already know that it's been proven by the Delta surge. These cases just show that it helps. Still.

To refresh your memory, back in July-September, when there was a surge in COVID cases, more than 95% of the hospitalized COVID patients were unvaccinated. And this happened across the US, from states like Alabama where only 30% of the eligible population was vaccinated to states like California where 65% of the eligible population was vaccinated.

Delta and Omicron are two separate variants.  According to scientists, Omicron is looking like a hybrid between covid and a cold virus.  Pfizer has said it will take about three weeks before they know how effective their vaccine is against it. 

Why would you continue posting misinformation by saying it's "proven" that vaccination helps against Omicron when no such thing is true?  Admitting you were wrong will help shore up your credibility.  Otherwise, you really have no leg to stand on when criticizing the posts of others. 

Your name-calling is already a major turnoff and I'm on the verge of blocking your nonsense.  Morekaos has been posting here and on the predecessor site for 15 years.  My prediction is you will be gone in less than a year.

But you should tell your buddy to leave facts in the story and not create his own story. haha
 
eyephone said:
Liar Loan said:
CalBears96 said:
Liar Loan said:
You don't seem to grasp the difference between a population and a sample.  A case count of four is not a enough to draw the conclusions that you did.  When you said "it shows that it helps to be vaccinated" that is misinformation akin to anything Fox News would run with.

I wasn't trying draw conclusions from these cases that vaccination helps because you and I already know that it's been proven by the Delta surge. These cases just show that it helps. Still.

To refresh your memory, back in July-September, when there was a surge in COVID cases, more than 95% of the hospitalized COVID patients were unvaccinated. And this happened across the US, from states like Alabama where only 30% of the eligible population was vaccinated to states like California where 65% of the eligible population was vaccinated.

Delta and Omicron are two separate variants.  According to scientists, Omicron is looking like a hybrid between covid and a cold virus.  Pfizer has said it will take about three weeks before they know how effective their vaccine is against it. 

Why would you continue posting misinformation by saying it's "proven" that vaccination helps against Omicron when no such thing is true?  Admitting you were wrong will help shore up your credibility.  Otherwise, you really have no leg to stand on when criticizing the posts of others. 

Your name-calling is already a major turnoff and I'm on the verge of blocking your nonsense.  Morekaos has been posting here and on the predecessor site for 15 years.  My prediction is you will be gone in less than a year.

But you should tell your buddy to leave facts in the story and not create his own story. haha

So you are saying I deleted part of the story ahead of posting....I didn't write it.
 
So we are finding out the the vaccine protects the vaccinated pretty well.
It also kind of stops transmissions, but not if you're on a cruise ship.

Also the cruise ship news says all of the positive covid people are asympotmatic.

So as a vaccinated person, you can become a carrier.  Why is Fauci or Bill Gates mentioned in your article?
Did these two say you can't be a carrier after you get vaccinated?
 
Liar Loan said:
CalBears96 said:
Liar Loan said:
You don't seem to grasp the difference between a population and a sample.  A case count of four is not a enough to draw the conclusions that you did.  When you said "it shows that it helps to be vaccinated" that is misinformation akin to anything Fox News would run with.

I wasn't trying draw conclusions from these cases that vaccination helps because you and I already know that it's been proven by the Delta surge. These cases just show that it helps. Still.

To refresh your memory, back in July-September, when there was a surge in COVID cases, more than 95% of the hospitalized COVID patients were unvaccinated. And this happened across the US, from states like Alabama where only 30% of the eligible population was vaccinated to states like California where 65% of the eligible population was vaccinated.

Delta and Omicron are two separate variants.  According to scientists, Omicron is looking like a hybrid between covid and a cold virus.  Pfizer has said it will take about three weeks before they know how effective their vaccine is against it. 

Why would you continue posting misinformation by saying it's "proven" that vaccination helps against Omicron when no such thing is true?  Admitting you were wrong will help shore up your credibility.  Otherwise, you really have no leg to stand on when criticizing the posts of others. 

Your name-calling is already a major turnoff and I'm on the verge of blocking your nonsense.  Morekaos has been posting here and on the predecessor site for 15 years, so your attacks aren't likely to change his style or cause him to stop posting.  My prediction is you will be gone in less than a year.

I said the vaccine has been proven to help against COVID. You have been trying to distort things, like the article about Ivermectin.

Moretroll has been intentionally posting misinformations, so I've been calling him out on it. He's even admitted that he does that to troll. If you don't like my name-calling, then go ahead and block. I don't give a crap about it.
 
morekaos said:
eyephone said:
Liar Loan said:
CalBears96 said:
Liar Loan said:
You don't seem to grasp the difference between a population and a sample.  A case count of four is not a enough to draw the conclusions that you did.  When you said "it shows that it helps to be vaccinated" that is misinformation akin to anything Fox News would run with.

I wasn't trying draw conclusions from these cases that vaccination helps because you and I already know that it's been proven by the Delta surge. These cases just show that it helps. Still.

To refresh your memory, back in July-September, when there was a surge in COVID cases, more than 95% of the hospitalized COVID patients were unvaccinated. And this happened across the US, from states like Alabama where only 30% of the eligible population was vaccinated to states like California where 65% of the eligible population was vaccinated.

Delta and Omicron are two separate variants.  According to scientists, Omicron is looking like a hybrid between covid and a cold virus.  Pfizer has said it will take about three weeks before they know how effective their vaccine is against it. 

Why would you continue posting misinformation by saying it's "proven" that vaccination helps against Omicron when no such thing is true?  Admitting you were wrong will help shore up your credibility.  Otherwise, you really have no leg to stand on when criticizing the posts of others. 

Your name-calling is already a major turnoff and I'm on the verge of blocking your nonsense.  Morekaos has been posting here and on the predecessor site for 15 years.  My prediction is you will be gone in less than a year.

But you should tell your buddy to leave facts in the story and not create his own story. haha

So you are saying I deleted part of the story ahead of posting....I didn't write it.

1. Either you left it out of the story
2. Your source left it out or your source did not now about it

Either or bad reporting
 
Like I said..I don't write them, and I certainly don't alter them. That detail is irrelevant anyway.  The sailor was in isolation and could not infect the passengers so that detail is unimportant to the point of the story.
 
morekaos said:
Like I said..I don't write them, and I certainly don't alter them. That detail is irrelevant anyway.  The sailor was in isolation and could not infect the passengers so that detail is unimportant to the point of the story.

The detail is irrelevant?
I think we all heard how covid spread through the cruise ship before. Even when they were in their cabin.
 
eyephone said:
morekaos said:
Like I said..I don't write them, and I certainly don't alter them. That detail is irrelevant anyway.  The sailor was in isolation and could not infect the passengers so that detail is unimportant to the point of the story.

The detail is irrelevant?
I think we all heard how covid spread through the cruise ship before. Even when they were in their cabin.

Really?... while isolated in his cabin he transmitted covid to the passengers...where exactly did you hear that?
 
morekaos said:
eyephone said:
morekaos said:
Like I said..I don't write them, and I certainly don't alter them. That detail is irrelevant anyway.  The sailor was in isolation and could not infect the passengers so that detail is unimportant to the point of the story.

The detail is irrelevant?
I think we all heard how covid spread through the cruise ship before. Even when they were in their cabin.

Really?... while isolated in his cabin he transmitted covid to the passengers...where exactly did you hear that?

A new, unpublished study of data collected during the COVID-19 outbreak on the Diamond Princess cruise ship in February suggests that the virus likely spread through the ship?s air-conditioning system.
https://www.sfgate.com/science/article/Study-Ship-s-AC-system-likely-spread-COVID-19-15405100.php

 
Ahhh i see. So instead of accidentally leaving out something you have decided to add your little factoid to the story where it didn?t exist. Making things up again is definitely not good reporting. That was a year ago, and onboard protocols did not exist then.
 
morekaos said:
Ahhh i see. So instead of accidentally leaving out something you have decided to add your little factoid to the story where it didn?t exist. Making things up again is definitely not good reporting. That was a year ago, and onboard protocols did not exist then.

U asked like a dumb ass, so I answered
 
Wow this new Covid is amazing?it can go through walls now..kinda makes you worry about those three face masks you have on huh?this new science is amazing Eye?explain to us again how sheep?s bladders may be employed to prevent earthquakes? ;D ;D >:D
https://youtu.be/KrD16CBEJRs
 
Coronavirus: COVID-19 samples found in isolation room air vents

Scientists in Singapore may have found a clue as to how so many people aboard cruise ship the Diamond Princess ended up getting infected with COVID-19.

It appears the virus might be able to spread through air conditioning systems.

Just over a month ago, samples were taken from three isolation rooms at an outbreak centre in Singapore. Two of the rooms had their samples taken after routine cleaning - they consistently tested negative for SARS-CoV-2, the official name of the virus which causes COVID-19.

The third room however had samples taken before cleaning, and it tested positive. Thirteen out of 15 spots in the room had positive test results for the virus - including air outlet fans.

Three out of five spots in the bathroom - the toilet, sink and door handle - also tested positive.

"There was extensive environmental contamination by one SARS-CoV-2 patient with mild upper respiratory tract involvement," their study, published in the Journal of the American Medical Association, said.

"Toilet bowl and sink samples were positive, suggesting that viral shedding in stool could be a potential route of transmission. Postcleaning samples were negative, suggesting that current decontamination measures are sufficient."

The good news is that the air tests came back negative, suggesting the disease doesn't hang around in the air like the highly infectious measles does. But "swabs taken from the air exhaust outlets tested positive, suggesting that small virus-laden droplets may be displaced by airflows and deposited on equipment such as vents".
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/worl...amples-found-in-isolation-room-air-vents.html
 
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