coronavirus

[qwerty]

Because both Pfizer and Moderna's vaccine uses new mRNA tech, they might be more effective against strains than the standard adenovirus vaccines.

And if not, from what I understand, they can be adjusted quicker than previous vaccine technology.

Still unsure of the long term effects... maybe reduced calf size.

If calf shrinkage is a side effect just kill me now!!!!  That would be like my nightmares coming true

 

[eyephone]

Japan will ban entry to foreign nationals after Covid-19 variant detected in country

Japan will ban foreign nationals from entering the country from Monday through the end of January after several cases of the new Covid-19 variant were recorded in the country, the Japanese foreign ministry said in a statement on Saturday.

Japanese citizens and foreign residents can still enter, but they're required to self-quarantine for 14 days, according to Japan's public broadcaster, NHK.
The move came after the Tokyo metropolitan government on Saturday confirmed two new cases of Co it vid-19 variant involving people who recently returned from the UK.

Restrictions of varying degrees have been announced by countries like Denmark, Ecuador, Greece, Portugal, Spain and Ukraine. Still others have banned travel or suspended flights from the UK, like Argentina, Belgium, Brazil, Canada, China, Colombia, Germany, India, Italy, the Netherlands, Russia and Spain.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/26/asia/japan-ban-foreign-nationals-intl/index.html

 

[morekaos]

CBS LA News: Many OC Residents Not Adjusting Holiday Plans, Even As COVID-19 Cases Rise
https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/vid...ng-holiday-plans-even-as-covid-19-cases-rise/

I predict covid cases will rise.

Told ya...

 

[icey]

Because both Pfizer and Moderna's vaccine uses new mRNA tech, they might be more effective against strains than the standard adenovirus vaccines.

And if not, from what I understand, they can be adjusted quicker than previous vaccine technology.

Still unsure of the long term effects... maybe reduced calf size.

Any experts can feel free to correct me, I am going to over simplify this. The cool part about the mRNA is that it can be described in a very loose metaphor for computer code. The vaccine is training cells to kick Covid azz. Should a new variant happen to get though, the chances of a "hot fix" being issued to squash the new mutation are very high.

This is a huge area right now. When you combine all the computing power coming online and the genome techniques, there's alot of promise to start knocking off incurable diseases through this technology.

Everyone at home can help by donating spare computing power to Folding@Home. It's a super computer you can join and help find how proteins fold, which is at the root of how Covid invades cells.
https://foldingathome.org/

 

[irvinehomeowner]

So am I the only one who is getting worried about the situation at hospitals? Running out of space, healthcare staff overworked, and supplies like PPE and oxygen tanks running low?

Or is everyone else living in morekaos' world where this is not big deal?

 

[eyephone]

So am I the only one who is getting worried about the situation at hospitals? Running out of space, healthcare staff overworked, and supplies like PPE and oxygen tanks running low?

Or is everyone else living in morekaos' world where this is not big deal?

I think majority on TI knows the severity of the crisis. There a few that are down playing thr pandemic.

 

[nosuchreality]

So am I the only one who is getting worried about the situation at hospitals? Running out of space, healthcare staff overworked, and supplies like PPE and oxygen tanks running low?

Or is everyone else living in morekaos' world where this is not big deal?

I think majority on TI knows the severity of the crisis. There a few that are down playing thr pandemic.

Well two weeks ago my FIL got to experience the ambulance -> ER procedure in Los Angeles.

Wait to get off the ambulance.
Holding pattern for ER in overflow rooms.
Wait to get transferred ER to regular room (ten hours from time told going to regular room)
Discharged after 3 day on a Sunday after inconclusive tests, with a sequence of follow-up items, heavy pain pills, sent home to us since unable to remain alone and barely able to walk with a walker (when normally spry and capable of spending an entire day gardening, working the fruit trees etc. and a daily in home nurse visit.

Honestly spent the first few days with him here concerned he would pass at any moment when he fell asleep in the chair from the pain meds, he sounded that rough.

Things have stabilized and he's up and running around again, still more appointments.

So, jimho, the news you hear is just covering the basic reality of the easily visible.  It is that bad.  Maybe even worse.  I honestly do not think that without the Covid crowding they would have sent him home when they did. 

 

[morekaos]

CBS LA News: Many OC Residents Not Adjusting Holiday Plans, Even As COVID-19 Cases Rise
https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/vid...ng-holiday-plans-even-as-covid-19-cases-rise/

I predict covid cases will rise.

Told ya...

TSA screened 1.28 million passengers at U.S. airports on Sunday, the highest number since Covid halted travel in mid-March.

That number is still about half of traveler volume on the same day last year, Reuters reports, but it marks the sixth straight day that passenger screenings surpassed 1 million.

Health experts cautioned against travel and gatherings around the holidays as virus cases and deaths continue to climb.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/28/coronavirus-live-updates.html

People are clearly experiencing this differently..

 

[morekaos]

Americans Are in Full Revolt Against Pandemic Lockdowns

On the West Coast, many restaurants also open their doors to customers despite state orders to the contrary.

Americans "are far less willing to comply with shelter-in-place advice today than they were in the early weeks of the coronavirus pandemic this spring," Gallup reported last month. Forty-nine percent "say they would be very likely to stay home for a month if public health officials recommended it due to a serious outbreak of the virus in their community. This contrasts with solid majorities in the spring who said they were likely to comply with such shelter-in-place advice, including a high of 67% in late March/early April."

Politicians actively fanned the flames of resistance with their "rules are only for the little people" flouting of their own orders. Amidst a flurry of high-profile examples, California Gov. Gavin Newsom's expensive gathering with other officials at The French Laundry stands out for its arrogance. Why should regular people driven to the brink of poverty and despair pay any attention to the dictates of such creatures?

https://reason.com/2020/12/16/americans-are-in-full-revolt-against-pandemic-lockdowns/

This is the restaurant we had breakfast with my mother the other day...

 

[irvinehomeowner]

People are clearly experiencing this differently..

And that's why numbers are spiking and ICUs are at capacity.

Do you not understand the consequences of your actions?

 

[eyephone]

People are clearly experiencing this differently..

And that's why numbers are spiking and ICUs are at capacity.

Do you not understand the consequences of your actions?

Seems like he does not care. Bad advice and fake stories are his calling card.
It is really unfortunate that he has become that guy.

 

[morekaos]

Just showing a different (real) perspective.  Believe it or not, its out there. This is happening whether I participate or not.  Business is going underground but it is still going on. It is what it is.

Beverly Hills officials urge La Scala restaurant to scrap plans for ?discreet? New Year?s Eve dinner

Beverly Hills officials last week moved to thwart plans for a ?speakeasy?-style New Year?s Eve dinner amid the coronavirus spike at one of the city?s venerable restaurants, reminding the management about Los Angeles County?s dining ban.

The officials were responding to an invitation sent to some area residents from La Scala, the fine-dining Italian restaurant on North Canon Drive in Beverly Hills, that appeared to signal plans for a secret dinner that would violate restrictions imposed by public health experts. The invitations were put inside the restaurant?s take-out bags.

?Welcome back to the 20?s Prohibition,? read the message, in a formal cursive script. ?We are currently taking reservations for New Year?s Eve dinner. Inside.?

The message continued, ?Please keep this discreet, but tell all your friends.?

https://ktla.com/news/local-news/beverly-hills-officials-urge-la-scala-restaurant-to-scrap-plans-for-discreet-new-years-eve-dinner/
https://youtu.be/LKS6xy87ewk

 

[Hugo Township]

People are clearly experiencing this differently..

And that's why numbers are spiking and ICUs are at capacity.

Do you not understand the consequences of your actions?

Seems like he does not care. Bad advice and fake stories are his calling card.
It is really unfortunate that he has become that guy.

He has been posting in bad faith for some time now. I'm not surprised.

 

[morekaos]

?Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.? ? George Orwell

 

[daedalus]

?Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.? ? George Orwell

On the contrary, you are telling us what we all want to hear.  We want to hear that it's OK to go out, to gather, to socialize, to have some "normalcy" again.  But there are consequences.  Worth it to some; but why screw everyone else?  It's a debate similar to smoking in an enclosed space.

The 1 in 1000 dead stat really brought it home for me.  1 in 1000 across the entire country.  That's a LOT of people.  It would be tragic if it was 1 in 1000 of those infected.  But the # of infected is around 1 in 15, which is also scary.  The infection #s are accelerating while hospitals are near or at capacity.  If we don't slow down the infection rate, we won't need the vaccine; we'll have herd immunity and a million+ fewer citizens and who knows how many millions with life-long effects.

I canceled Xmas with my parents the night before my flight because my daughter had a fever.  It totally sucks, but it was the right call.

 

[morekaos]

That?s the rub of these numbers. 338,000 dead... that is almost 1% of the population.  1% in 9 months! In WW2  we lost around 400,000 over several years. Don?t you think it odd that if you ask people randomly if they know anyone who has died, 1rst hand, few will say they do?  Now, bar healthcare workers, and they must be first hand , not a friends aunt. Speak to anyone of the greatest generation and they will ALL say they knew someone who died in the war.  Try it, from what I see here, people barely know anyone who has it let alone died of it. I am not implying it is fake or not fatal but the numbers don?t really seem to add up. I for one don?t know anyone who died...

 

[zubs]

I don't know anyone who died.

 

[callmehere]

That?s the rub of these numbers. 338,000 dead... that is almost 1% of the population.  1% in 9 months! In WW2  we lost around 400,000 over several years. Don?t you think it odd that if you ask people randomly if they know anyone who has died, 1rst hand, few will say they do?  Now, bar healthcare workers, and they must be first hand , not a friends aunt. Speak to anyone of the greatest generation and they will ALL say they knew someone who died in the war.  Try it, from what I see here, people barely know anyone who has it let alone died of it. I am not implying it is fake or not fatal but the numbers don?t really seem to add up. I for one don?t know anyone who died...

I unfortunately know two people that passed from Covid...and remember, the population now is probably 2-3x as much as it was during WW1 or WW2

 

[daedalus]

That?s the rub of these numbers. 338,000 dead... that is almost 1% of the population.  1% in 9 months! In WW2  we lost around 400,000 over several years. Don?t you think it odd that if you ask people randomly if they know anyone who has died, 1rst hand, few will say they do?  Now, bar healthcare workers, and they must be first hand , not a friends aunt. Speak to anyone of the greatest generation and they will ALL say they knew someone who died in the war.  Try it, from what I see here, people barely know anyone who has it let alone died of it. I am not implying it is fake or not fatal but the numbers don?t really seem to add up. I for one don?t know anyone who died...

Well, no, it's .1%.  Even if it was random, you shouldn't expect everyone to be average.  E.g., on average you should flip heads 50% of the time, but the odds are almost nil that with 100 flips, you'll get exactly 50 heads.  There are those of us who know no one, and those who know several.  My father is 90.  I can ask him, but he has never mentioned knowing of anyone close to him or his older siblings who died in WWII.

Looking deeper, infections and deaths aren't random.  Demographics play a part.  My friends are mostly upper class, white collar professionals, and many of them, and most of the people I work with directly are wfh.  I'm not friends with people who wait tables or cashier at the store, or who live in a dense city apartment with 8 other people spanning 3 generations.  They would be "my friend's aunt".  We might be at less risk than these people, but that just means we have less exposure...we're rolling dice instead of flipping a coin.

The # of Covid deaths is corroborated by the data on excess deaths...comparing total # of deaths over a period of time to other periods prior to the pandemic.
https://www.statnews.com/2020/10/20/cdc-data-excess-deaths-covid-19/

 

[iacrenter]

I don't know anyone who died.

Unfortunately I have seen multiple people die of COVID. Running a Code Blue on a COVID patient is not a pretty picture and is usually a futile effort. If your COVID infection is bad enough to cause cardiac arrest, you are unlikely to be successfully revived.