coronavirus

[Mety]

You keep focusing on the "new cases"... a single data point.

That gets updated daily and who knows how WorldOMeter gets it... that's why you should look at total cases and deaths and compare that to everywhere else. Maybe you should read again.

Oh, so now you're saying who knows how WorldOMeter gets the information? You believe the total numbers it says but not the new cases? You also brought up the protests might have had some effect but I shouldn't look at the new cases numbers to find out? I'm sorry for what I'm about to say..
DOUBLE STANDARD!!!

Wow you need to read.

What I'm saying is you shouldn't rely on WorldOMeter's new case count because that changes daily and may not be updated for today. Instead, find a site that has a graph to show you the increase over time.

Like LA's Covid site, you'll see positivity rates and hospitalizations have all increased significantly in June:
http://publichealth.lacounty.gov/media/Coronavirus/data/index.htm

You say I was focusing on one thing, but weren't you also? You say what you look at is a reasonable thing yet calling what others look at a single data point, reading how I want to read, not reading, ignoring, or qwerty and so on. And now you're pulling a different website telling me I need to look at that website for the data I was looking?

I got what you were saying. I was being sarcastic and wanted to point out how the very thing you're pointing out of me doing wrong is what you're doing yourself. But I guess you'll never admit since you were right from the beginning anyways. Let's just call it and I'll say "you're sexy."

 

[Mety]

And again, as I said before, it's a combination of the protests and the reopening but considering the totals coming out of LA County compared to FORTY other states, there could be causality there.

That, my friend, we'll never know if it was a combination or not. Again, you're focus is on how CA is having a yuge number. I agree it's sad, but while it is sad, you also need to know there are MORE people recovering instead of dying. That makes me think of C-19 not as a Ferrari as eyephone thinks but as... maybe... a Model Y? ;D

 

[irvinehomeowner]

Oh, okay.

So yesterday 1028 new cases.

Up to 634 in the hospital. They've taken down the history, but I seem to recall the discussion about 300 in thw hospital not that long ago.

203 ICU.

History is still there. Click on "Desktop Version" below the numbers and it will give you an interactive dashboard then click on the 'Hospitalizaion/ICU' tab on the bottom and it will show you the graph. The line is going up... not good.

Here is the direct link to the dashboard:
https://arcg.is/1veXG90

 

[irvinehomeowner]

You say I was focusing on one thing, but weren't you also? You say what you look at is a reasonable thing yet calling what others look at a single data point, reading how I want to read, not reading, ignoring, or qwerty and so on. And now you're pulling a different website telling me I need to look at that website for the data I was looking?

Sorry... you can't word dance with me. You were looking at a single data point... one day of new cases which may have not been updated yet. Since you were focused on that, I pointed you to a better indicator... a graph that shows you new cases each day so you can see how it was increasing. If you can't understand that... not sure what else to tell you.

Now that I posted the graphs, do you understand?

I got what you were saying. I was being sarcastic and wanted to point out how the very thing you're pointing out of me doing wrong is what you're doing yourself. But I guess you'll never admit since you were right from the beginning anyways. Let's just call it and I'll say "you're sexy."

Sorry, doesn't track. I pointed out the flaw in that data point you were looking at and tried to help you out by giving you better data to give you a better understanding of what is happening in LA County.

Do you think cases are increasing or not? And they started that trend after the protests. That's what it comes down to.

 

[irvinehomeowner]

And again, as I said before, it's a combination of the protests and the reopening but considering the totals coming out of LA County compared to FORTY other states, there could be causality there.

That, my friend, we'll never know if it was a combination or not. Again, you're focus is on how CA is having a yuge number. I agree it's sad, but while it is sad, you also need to know there are MORE people recovering instead of dying. That makes me think of C-19 not as a Ferrari as eyephone thinks but as... maybe... a Model Y? ;D

This is a weird counterpoint. So, it would only be serious to you if MORE people died than recovered? Of course we would hope more people recover than die, but that's not the point... the point is how many have died which to date is more than any flu in the last 100 years.

Add on to that, if hospitals start getting overrun (which they are at capacity in some areas... something you don't believe), it will mean more deaths and less recoveries.

Please at least tell me you are being safe when out and about.

 

[Mety]

You say I was focusing on one thing, but weren't you also? You say what you look at is a reasonable thing yet calling what others look at a single data point, reading how I want to read, not reading, ignoring, or qwerty and so on. And now you're pulling a different website telling me I need to look at that website for the data I was looking?

Sorry... you can't word dance with me. You were looking at a single data point... one day of new cases which may have not been updated yet. Since you were focused on that, I pointed you to a better indicator... a graph that shows you new cases each day so you can see how it was increasing. If you can't understand that... not sure what else to tell you.

Now that I posted the graphs, do you understand?

I got what you were saying. I was being sarcastic and wanted to point out how the very thing you're pointing out of me doing wrong is what you're doing yourself. But I guess you'll never admit since you were right from the beginning anyways. Let's just call it and I'll say "you're sexy."

Sorry, doesn't track. I pointed out the flaw in that data point you were looking at and tried to help you out by giving you better data to give you a better understanding of what is happening in LA County.

Do you think cases are increasing or not? And they started that trend after the protests. That's what it comes down to.

You're doing it again. You're so confident that I didn't read properly previously and now that I saw your graphs from new website you provided I understand finally. If you believe this, then go ahead. I'm not going to argue over small matters like that. But if you care to believe what I say, I knew and I understood from the first post you wrote this morning where you were going. I only thought it would be worth discussing different opinions, but I guess that won't happen since you're so skewed on who I am.

 

[Mety]

And again, as I said before, it's a combination of the protests and the reopening but considering the totals coming out of LA County compared to FORTY other states, there could be causality there.

That, my friend, we'll never know if it was a combination or not. Again, you're focus is on how CA is having a yuge number. I agree it's sad, but while it is sad, you also need to know there are MORE people recovering instead of dying. That makes me think of C-19 not as a Ferrari as eyephone thinks but as... maybe... a Model Y? ;D

This is a weird counterpoint. So, it would only be serious to you if MORE people died than recovered? Of course we would hope more people recover than die, but that's not the point... the point is how many have died which to date is more than any flu in the last 100 years.

Add on to that, if hospitals start getting overrun (which they are at capacity in some areas... something you don't believe), it will mean more deaths and less recoveries.

Please at least tell me you are being safe when out and about.

Yeah, I'll just say I'm wearing masks and keep social distancing when outside. I stay home mostly. Hope that gives you some comfort.

 

[eyephone]

All this back and forth. Then he says he wearing a mask and following social distancing.

 

[Mety]

All this back and forth. Then he says he wearing a mask and following social distancing.

What's wrong with following the law and order? But at the same time, I can share my personal opinions and takes, right?

 

[nosuchreality]

Had to zoom out to 80% and maximize my window to get the data tabs to appear.  Sheesh,

So if I'm reading that test results chart correctly, today's tests are a collection of various results spread over test from the last two weeks?  With Results from 6/23 and 6/24 looking like they're about wrapped up?

That June testing chart shows 6/1 to 6/23 cases tripling.

 

[eyephone]

All this back and forth. Then he says he wearing a mask and following social distancing.

What's wrong with following the law and order? But at the same time, I can share my personal opinions and takes, right?

It just seems like a big circle. Arguing and debating about covid and mask. At the end, btw I wear a mask. (So why even debate?) Such a double standard.

Reminds me of a famous phrase: Do as I say, not as I do.

 

[Mety]

All this back and forth. Then he says he wearing a mask and following social distancing.

What's wrong with following the law and order? But at the same time, I can share my personal opinions and takes, right?

It just seems like a big circle. Arguing and debating about covid and mask. At the end, btw I wear a mask. (So why even debate?) Such a double standard.

Reminds me of a famous phrase: Do as I say, not as I do.

So you want me to not post anything then?

 

[nosuchreality]

Seems like the professional sports teams are having quite a few cases showing up amongst the players in spite of all the safety protocols, testing, restricted access etc.  Not to mention, youth, better physical fitness and conditioning than the general population.

 

[irvinehomeowner]

Seems like the professional sports teams are having quite a few cases showing up amongst the players in spite of all the safety protocols, testing, restricted access etc.  Not to mention, youth, better physical fitness and conditioning than the general population.

It?s because they have mild or no symptoms so they are infected without knowing and spread it more readily.

Evidently, political alignment is what protects you from Covid.

 

[bones]

Seems like the professional sports teams are having quite a few cases showing up amongst the players in spite of all the safety protocols, testing, restricted access etc.  Not to mention, youth, better physical fitness and conditioning than the general population.

Which leagues?  The vast majority of the positives are players being tested before / en route / upon arrival to the various bubble sites. The PGA tour has had positives from caddies and players who leave the bubble.

 

[nosuchreality]

Seems like the professional sports teams are having quite a few cases showing up amongst the players in spite of all the safety protocols, testing, restricted access etc.  Not to mention, youth, better physical fitness and conditioning than the general population.

Which leagues?  The vast majority of the positives are players being tested before / en route / upon arrival to the various bubble sites. The PGA tour has had positives from caddies and players who leave the bubble.

MLB, NBA, guess they aren?t in the ?bubble? yet. 

 

[bones]

Yea I think the PGA has shown that the bubble can work for professional sports. But even they?ve had to tweak their process/rules every week. MLB isn?t really playing in a full bubble so it?ll be interesting to see how they do once it gets going.

 

[Mety]

All this back and forth. Then he says he wearing a mask and following social distancing.

What's wrong with following the law and order? But at the same time, I can share my personal opinions and takes, right?

It just seems like a big circle. Arguing and debating about covid and mask. At the end, btw I wear a mask. (So why even debate?) Such a double standard.

Reminds me of a famous phrase: Do as I say, not as I do.

So you want me to not post anything then?

BTW, I don't think I ever said don't wear a mask or ignore social distancing. I only said I prefer masks not being mandatory and questioned about effectiveness of social distancing since that was completely ignored in protests. But as long as those are rules and regulations by the state, county, city, whatever, we should follow.

#factcheck

 

[qwerty]

I don?t think MLB is doing a bubble. They are playing in their home stadiums (I think) - perhaps they are doing a bunch of mini bubbles. Being in better shape and younger doesn?t prevent you from catching it, probably increases the chance of no symptoms though.

 

[irvinehomeowner]

Since Mety doesn't believe the reports, I've heard from someone at a San Bernadino county hospital that they are getting overwhelmed.

Some are even transporting patients to the Bay Area:
https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/California-hospitals-transfer-COVID-patients-15389470.php

In Imperial County, for example, hospitals have been at near-capacity for weeks. The county transferred some 500 Coronavirus patients to hospitals outside the region, including some to the San Francisco Bay Area. The mostly rural county on the Mexico border with a population of about 180,000 has had a positive rate hovering around 20%. Health experts largely agree that cross-border traffic with Mexicali is at least partly to blame for a surge since the middle of May.

And due to the sheer increase in testing, there is a backlog of trying to get results due to lack of materials and manpower:
https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/07...ses-slows-in-california-over-holiday-weekend/

Following the long Independence Day weekend, there were up to three days worth of COVID-19 test results waiting to be reported in many of California?s largest counties Monday.

After another week with a record-setting rise in coronavirus cases and hospitalizations, the pace of growth in California slowed over the holiday weekend. The caveat: Los Angeles, Sacramento, Santa Barbara, San Joaquin, Ventura, Solano and Marin counties haven?t reported new test results since Thursday, and more ? including Riverside, San Diego, San Francisco, San Bernardino and Tulare ? haven?t updated their counts since Friday.

Altogether, counties that account for 70% of all the state?s cases to date will begin the week with a backlog of test results, which could inflate case counts Monday and Tuesday higher than already expected, having been rising rapidly for two weeks now.

This is probably why WorldOMeter didn't have updated new cases numbers for California.