coronavirus

[irvinehomeowner]

This is an interesting comparison:

CasesPopulation Deaths Cases
Huntington Beach 203,761 399
Irvine 280,202 223

Almost 40% higher population but 45% less deaths cases.

Edit: Sorry... meant to say cases not deaths.

 

[adventurous]

Multiple studies show masks do help reducing droplets on exhale/speaking. You're late to this thread... multiple links contradict your judgement.

Two points.
1. Do those studies show how the infection rate drops if people wear/don't wear the masks outside? How much the infection rate changes? Any studies?
2. WHO and CDC made several statements that masks don't help, only people caring of infected patients need to wear masks, etc.

Conclusion. They really know little, constantly contradict each other. Pick the expert you trust and follow their guidelines. Then again, be ready to get completely disappointed, when your chosen expert makes a U-turn.

 

[Ready2Downsize]

This is an interesting comparison:

Cases Deaths
Huntington Beach 203,761 399
Irvine 280,202 223

Almost 40% higher population but 45% less deaths.

HB had a nursing home with large number of cases. It was identified in the news some time ago.

 

[adventurous]

This is an interesting comparison:

Cases Deaths
Huntington Beach 203,761 399
Irvine 280,202 223

Almost 40% higher population but 45% less deaths.

Age? Health condition? HB has much larger homeless, drug addict population.

 

[irvinehomeowner]

Multiple studies show masks do help reducing droplets on exhale/speaking. You're late to this thread... multiple links contradict your judgement.

Two points.
1. Do those studies show how the infection rates drops if people wear/don't wear the masks outside? How much the infection rate changes? Any studies?

The studies showed less droplets in the air. You don't need to use physics to make the correlation that less droplets should equate to lower viral load.

2. WHO and CDC made several statements that masks don't help, only people caring of infected patients need to wear masks, etc.

This is misinformation.

The WHO did not say that "masks don't help"... read the PDF they put on their website, they say they do help.

CDC also updated their masks recommendation.

Conclusion. They really know little, constantly contradict each other. Pick the expert you trust and follow their guidelines. Then again, be ready to get completely disappointed, when your chosen expert makes a U-turn.

Practical data shows that areas that have higher mask usage has lower infection rate. Seems logical to me.

 

[eyephone]

Multiple studies show masks do help reducing droplets on exhale/speaking. You're late to this thread... multiple links contradict your judgement.

Two points.
1. Do those studies show how the infection rates drops if people wear/don't wear the masks outside? How much the infection rate changes? Any studies?

The studies showed less droplets in the air. You don't need to use physics to make the correlation that less droplets should equate to lower viral load.

2. WHO and CDC made several statements that masks don't help, only people caring of infected patients need to wear masks, etc.

This is misinformation.

The WHO did not say that "masks don't help"... read the PDF they put on their website, they say they do help.

CDC also updated their masks recommendation.

Conclusion. They really know little, constantly contradict each other. Pick the expert you trust and follow their guidelines. Then again, be ready to get completely disappointed, when your chosen expert makes a U-turn.

Practical data shows that areas that have higher mask usage has lower infection rate. Seems logical to me.

IHO: In addition to your point. Important figures to the GOP leadership and News promote wearing masks.

Mitch McConnell: So to get through this next phase, as we ease back into normal, even if you?re in a low-risk category, do what we?re asking you to do for the good of others as we begin to move back to normal.

Sean Hannity, a close friend of Trump?s whose nightly Fox News show Trump constantly promotes, broke with the president Tuesday night and urged viewers to wear masks, casting it as a common sense protective measure.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/27/mitch-mcconnell-plea-face-masks-285272

Also, the WH staff wears masks on a daily basis due to the numerous WH staff that tested positive for Covid.

 

[irvinehomeowner]

@adventurous:

Here... straight from the WHO website:

https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public/when-and-how-to-use-masks&publication=advice-on-the-use-of-masks-in-the-community-during-home-care-and-in-healthcare-settings-in-the-context-of-the-novel-coronavirus-(2019-ncov)-outbreak

WHO has updated its guidance to advise that to prevent COVID-19 transmission effectively in areas of community transmission, governments should encourage the general public to wear masks in specific situations and settings as part of a comprehensive approach to suppress SARS-CoV-2 transmission (Table 2).

Table 2 has a list of scenarios of when masks should be used which is basically any type of area where there is the possibility to not be socially distanced.

And from the CDC website:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/cloth-face-cover.html

CDC continues to study the spread and effects of the novel coronavirus across the United States.  We now know from recent studies that a significant portion of individuals with coronavirus lack symptoms (?asymptomatic?) and that even those who eventually develop symptoms (?pre-symptomatic?) can transmit the virus to others before showing symptoms.  This means that the virus can spread between people interacting in close proximity?for example, speaking, coughing, or sneezing?even if those people are not exhibiting symptoms.  In light of this new evidence, CDC recommends wearing cloth face coverings in public settings where other social distancing measures are difficult to maintain (e.g., grocery stores and pharmacies) especially in areas of significant community-based transmission.

 

[Ready2Downsize]

Asking because I've not seen the data... but OK, there are more reported infections, but how has the hospitalization rate been impacted?

Thx for numbers.

My .02c

OC went over 300 for the first time:
https://occovid19.ochealthinfo.com/coronavirus-in-oc

Nearly a quarter % of the county population has tested positive, not 24%, not 2.4%..... 0.24% Four times this amount gets us to 1%.

 

[irvinehomeowner]

Asking because I've not seen the data... but OK, there are more reported infections, but how has the hospitalization rate been impacted?

Thx for numbers.

My .02c

OC went over 300 for the first time:
https://occovid19.ochealthinfo.com/coronavirus-in-oc

Nearly a quarter % of the county population has tested positive, not 24%, not 2.4%..... 0.24% Four times this amount gets us to 1%.

That's a bit misleading.

How many have been tested of that population? 5%... and some of that could be repeat tests.

The bad numbers? 115k deaths in the US, 418k worldwide.

 

[Ready2Downsize]

Asking because I've not seen the data... but OK, there are more reported infections, but how has the hospitalization rate been impacted?

Thx for numbers.

My .02c

OC went over 300 for the first time:
https://occovid19.ochealthinfo.com/coronavirus-in-oc

Nearly a quarter % of the county population has tested positive, not 24%, not 2.4%..... 0.24% Four times this amount gets us to 1%.

That's a bit misleading.

How many have been tested of that population? 5%... and some of that could be repeat tests.

The bad numbers? 115k deaths in the US, 418k worldwide.

115,000 deaths in the U.S. is 0.035% of the population. That is not 35%, not 3.5%, not even .35%...??? 0.035%.

418000 is 0.005% of the world's population. That is not 5%, not 0.5%, not even 0.05%...???? 0.005%.

160,000 people die each day world wide...??.. that is per day. That comes to almost 15 million in the last 3 months.

You know that hospitals get a LOT of extra reimbursement if coronavirus is included as a potential diagnosis, right? Hey doc, this guy have coronavirus? I dunno. He's dead. We didn't test him. We aren't wasting tests on dead people. COULD he have had it? Well he had respiratory problems, so who knows? Yeah, sounds good. R/O Coronavirus. Bingo...??? upped the reimbursement.

 

[irvinehomeowner]

So are you saying Covid is not serious?

Why did you shelter in? Why did you make masks?

 

[nosuchreality]

The top causes of death in the USA each year.  Looks like Coronavirus is #7 already.  Soon to move up to #6 supplanting Alzheimer?s.

Heart disease: 647,457
Cancer: 599,108
Accidents (unintentional injuries): 169,936
Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 160,201
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 146,383
Alzheimer?s disease: 121,404
Diabetes: 83,564
Influenza and Pneumonia: 55,672
Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome and nephrosis: 50,633
Intentional self-harm (suicide): 47,173

 

[irvinehomeowner]

R2D missed my point.

You want to talk about percentages, the US has less than 5% of the world?s population but over 25% of the Covid deaths.

But I guess that?s okay because most of those are insurance scams?

And you never answer me when I ask about you making masks... contradictory.

 

[irvinehomeowner]

This article is interesting. The key to controlling this is to prevent ?superspreading?, which is less disruptive to the economy/society:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/02/opinion/coronavirus-superspreaders.html

This is what Kenkoko was talking about early on with testing and contact tracing to use a targeted method to control spread. Hong Kong and Japan were examples of this.

 

[qwerty]

I don?t think anyone is saying covid isn?t serious / isn?t a killer.

I think the issue most people have is whether this new disease/killer warrants a change in the worlds lifestyle, another new normal(how many normals can there be?).

Our response to a disease/killer has never been anything like this before. I think R2Ds point is people die every day, this is just a new type of death and there has never been a similar response to other types of deaths, which is a practical view to have. 

Is the response/change in lifestyle worth it? We damaged the economy, then protests broke out world wide that defy the social distancing orders. Trampling whatever rights we have, right or wrong, was not an issue before, protests breakout and now it?s ok, this particular right is greater than rights related to the pandemic. Whatever good the shutdown did may have been wiped out by the protests (probably will never know).

Ultimately it kind of seems like we end up in the same place where we would have without the crazy reaction. So it seems like we should just add covid to the list of diseases/killers of everyday life and move on. 

 

[Kings]

R2D missed my point.

You want to talk about percentages, the US has less than 5% of the world?s population but over 25% of the Covid deaths.

But I guess that?s okay because most of those are insurance scams?

And you never answer me when I ask about you making masks... contradictory.

if you believe china only had 84k cases and none in over 2 months....well... 

 

[Ready2Downsize]

Right people die every day. No doubt if you've been affected by this, not good.

Every news story lists a number of deaths, cases etc. And it does sound like "a lot" UNTIL you look at it in proportion to how many people there are.

I was scared. Very afraid when this started out. And I know I'm not the only one. I've never sold so much on ebay in such little time in my life and it's back to normal now, from a package or two a day to 20+ packages in the morning and more in the afternoon back to a package or two a day. So I know people aren't afraid any more and neither am I because I looked at percentages.

The economy was decimated. Some people are never getting their jobs or businesses back. No mention of those percentages.

I have found two blood pressure machines (one in Orange and one in HB) that I can sit and get my BP taken. The rest are shut down, roped off or otherwise made inoperable. I can only get a tele medical visit from my doctor. It's more likely I will have a heart attack or stroke not knowing how my BP is doing than catching some virus from those portable machines.

Finally got to see my surgeon (supposed to be two visits a year) after the mammograms started being available again and even they wouldn't take my bp.

Wear a mask, wash your hands frequently.

Don't think others are though. I see how they are (or aren't) wearing their masks and it's not helping a lot to have them pulled down so they can breathe. I see how gloved retail employees touch all kinds of stuff and never wash their hands or get new gloves.

It's best to stay at home right now if you really think this could be a problem for you cuz I can see the numbers are getting worse (and knowing that the fear is gone and mask and glove use is incorrectly being done), but don't be afraid like it's inevitable you'll get this virus. The numbers don't justify the fear we had when you look at how it compares to total population.

 

[zubs]

So even if wearing a mask is gay, do it, so you inspire other people to come out and spend.
I know people who won't go to crowded areas where others are not wearing masks. 

I saw all the people at Balboa peninsula not wearing masks on memorial day and noped right out of there. 
That hot dog place by Dory's fleet lost my $6 corn dog purchase!


As for protests...I'd prefer not to congregate if I can help it.  I guess if I were black I'd be more drawn to protest, but I'm not.

 

[irvinehomeowner]

Orange County easing mask protocols at midnight tonight.

Not necessary for outdoors or restaurants but required for indoor spaces where social distancing can be compromised.

I am in agreement with this type of mandate... as I've said before... I don't wear my mask when out walking or biking... but any time I will be in close proximity with people indoors, I wear one.

 

[adventurous]

if you believe china only had 84k cases and none in over 2 months....well... 

I find hard to believe some people have faith is China transparency.