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I have put our boat on mooring there for decades. My kids were brought up on that island in the summers. Fish, swim, hike, drink beer...I come back on the weekdays but my family has lived out there for a month each summer since the 90's...its a magical place to wake up in.
This is what I meant by a total collapse in credibility...
Now, these same public health experts are doing a 180-degree turn, saying the threat of the virus is less important than big marches against racial injustice. Even though they admit the marches will lead to more infections. Hypocrites.
Public health academics from the University of Washington, which created the virus forecasting model widely used by governors and the President's Task Force, are circulating a public letter declaring the marches a higher priority than containing the virus.
"This should not be confused with a permissive stance on all gatherings, particularly protests against stay-home orders," the UW health experts add. Translation: No funerals for your loved ones, no congregating for causes of your own choosing. Only theirs.
This isn't science. This is political advocacy.
Similarly, Jennifer Nuzzo, a Johns Hopkins epidemiologist, now claims the dangers of "systemic racism" exceed "the harms of the virus." Sorry, professor, but that makes you a political pundit, not someone to call the shots on ending a pandemic.
Sadly, science is losing its luster as the profession puts politics ahead of the truth. Last week, two prestigious medical journals, Lancet and the New England Journal of Medicine, which until recently set the gold standard for scientific publications, had to retract articles they had published on hydroxychloroquine.
Both had dispensed with rigorous peer review to rush out articles purporting to show that President Trump's favored COVID-19 drug, hydroxychloroquine, endangers patients. They were so eager to ridicule the president that they ended up discrediting themselves. Turns out the data in the articles was bogus.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/06/10/left-wing_lockdown_143412.html
Now back to the masks, if you feel it helps you, wear it. If you don't believe in the mask, don't wear it. However, don't bring over the China regime to the U.S.
OC went over 300 for the first time:
https://occovid19.ochealthinfo.com/coronavirus-in-oc
Multiple studies show masks do help reducing droplets on exhale/speaking. You're late to this thread... multiple links contradict your judgement.
morekaos
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zubs said:
I have put our boat on mooring there for decades. My kids were brought up on that island in the summers. Fish, swim, hike, drink beer...I come back on the weekdays but my family has lived out there for a month each summer since the 90's...its a magical place to wake up in.
morekaos
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morekaos said:
This is what I meant by a total collapse in credibility...
Now, these same public health experts are doing a 180-degree turn, saying the threat of the virus is less important than big marches against racial injustice. Even though they admit the marches will lead to more infections. Hypocrites.
Public health academics from the University of Washington, which created the virus forecasting model widely used by governors and the President's Task Force, are circulating a public letter declaring the marches a higher priority than containing the virus.
"This should not be confused with a permissive stance on all gatherings, particularly protests against stay-home orders," the UW health experts add. Translation: No funerals for your loved ones, no congregating for causes of your own choosing. Only theirs.
This isn't science. This is political advocacy.
Similarly, Jennifer Nuzzo, a Johns Hopkins epidemiologist, now claims the dangers of "systemic racism" exceed "the harms of the virus." Sorry, professor, but that makes you a political pundit, not someone to call the shots on ending a pandemic.
Sadly, science is losing its luster as the profession puts politics ahead of the truth. Last week, two prestigious medical journals, Lancet and the New England Journal of Medicine, which until recently set the gold standard for scientific publications, had to retract articles they had published on hydroxychloroquine.
Both had dispensed with rigorous peer review to rush out articles purporting to show that President Trump's favored COVID-19 drug, hydroxychloroquine, endangers patients. They were so eager to ridicule the president that they ended up discrediting themselves. Turns out the data in the articles was bogus.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/06/10/left-wing_lockdown_143412.html
just goes to show (and prove again and again) that everything in life is political. it wasn't too long ago that we were fighting a global pandemic and people were going to be cited for leaving their home. cat's out of the bag now and people will never go back under lockdown again - no matter what the circumstance is.
CNBC: Texas reports a third straight day of record coronavirus hospitalizations
Texas health authorities said 2,153 patients are sickened with Covid-19 in its hospitals, making Wednesday the third-straight day of record-breaking coronavirus hospitalizations.
The new total is up from 2,056 patients on Tuesday and 1,935 patients Monday, according to updated data from the Texas Department of State Health Services.
The steady rise in coronavirus hospitalizations in Texas will likely add to scrutiny from some U.S. lawmakers and infectious disease experts that some states opened businesses too early as the virus continues to spread throughout parts of the country.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/10/tex...y-of-record-coronavirus-hospitalizations.html
As I said before, open it up, but enforce social distancing and masks. (I will continue to say it. The data shows that it works in other countries.)
Texas health authorities said 2,153 patients are sickened with Covid-19 in its hospitals, making Wednesday the third-straight day of record-breaking coronavirus hospitalizations.
The new total is up from 2,056 patients on Tuesday and 1,935 patients Monday, according to updated data from the Texas Department of State Health Services.
The steady rise in coronavirus hospitalizations in Texas will likely add to scrutiny from some U.S. lawmakers and infectious disease experts that some states opened businesses too early as the virus continues to spread throughout parts of the country.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/10/tex...y-of-record-coronavirus-hospitalizations.html
As I said before, open it up, but enforce social distancing and masks. (I will continue to say it. The data shows that it works in other countries.)
irvinehomeowner
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I still think the pandemic is more important than protests.
I don't agree that we will never see a willingness to lockdown in the future... if the pandemic is serious enough, fear will keep people in.
Notice that the protests coincided with the reopenings... when the fear was high in March, it would be a different story.
I don't agree that we will never see a willingness to lockdown in the future... if the pandemic is serious enough, fear will keep people in.
Notice that the protests coincided with the reopenings... when the fear was high in March, it would be a different story.
For those claiming we will never lockdown again, as if the people's opinion has changed, should at least look at actual polling data before making such claim.
Public's perception has not changed much since the beginning.
As of June 10th, 36% Somewhat concerned about COVID , 29% Very Concerned, 21% Not Very Concerned, 13% Not at all concerned
At the end of March it was 36% Somewhat, 32% Very , 20% Not Very , 11% Not at all.
The Lockdowns didn't changed many minds.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/coronavirus-polls/
Public's perception has not changed much since the beginning.
As of June 10th, 36% Somewhat concerned about COVID , 29% Very Concerned, 21% Not Very Concerned, 13% Not at all concerned
At the end of March it was 36% Somewhat, 32% Very , 20% Not Very , 11% Not at all.
The Lockdowns didn't changed many minds.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/coronavirus-polls/
zubs
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https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/14-states-puerto-rico-hit-083237905.html
CA covid cases are going up.
We are jeaopardizing our re-opening.
Do you think we can have normal school when AUG rolls around with conditions like this?
New York is not on this list. Cuomo is killing it.
Newsom needs to make masks a law where police can give $25 tickets for being in public and not wearing one.
If you want life to go back to normal as much as possible, then masks are part of the solution.
CA covid cases are going up.
We are jeaopardizing our re-opening.
Do you think we can have normal school when AUG rolls around with conditions like this?
New York is not on this list. Cuomo is killing it.
Newsom needs to make masks a law where police can give $25 tickets for being in public and not wearing one.
If you want life to go back to normal as much as possible, then masks are part of the solution.
adventurous
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I bet the recent riots have nothing to do with it?zubs said:
We??? No, it's them...zubs said:
Newsom can't make a law, luckily. Otherwise, we would live in a socialism nightmare now. He can issue an EO, but most likely illegal.zubs said:
Now back to the masks, if you feel it helps you, wear it. If you don't believe in the mask, don't wear it. However, don't bring over the China regime to the U.S.
I already heard that, when Newsom issued stay-at-home. So, we are 10x times more new cases now, but killed the economy. Newsom is an agent of CCP, I can tell.zubs said:
zubs
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Wearing a mask protects others. When you are in public with a mask on it keeps the shit coming out of your mouth from infecting other people. You want to be a selfish asshole, there is no law against it.
Cuomo did a great job convincing NY to wear a mask to protect other people. His covid numbers are going down as are Italy and other places with high mask usage. NY also had riots much like CA.
Cuomo did a great job convincing NY to wear a mask to protect other people. His covid numbers are going down as are Italy and other places with high mask usage. NY also had riots much like CA.
irvinehomeowner
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Soylent Green Is People said:
OC went over 300 for the first time:
https://occovid19.ochealthinfo.com/coronavirus-in-oc
adventurous
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For those who skipped the school physics classes, your surgical mask doesn't filter out the air on the way out. When you breeze out, you create extra pressure between the mask and your face, the air comes out from all the holes on the side, top and bottom. In contract, when you breeze in, you lower the pressure and the mask slings to your face better. Nothing what the politicians say defies the laws of the physics. You can trust my judgement on this.zubs said:
NY had a huge spike, they developed the herd immunity, in the most brutal way. California has a way to go to reach those numbers.zubs said:
adventurous
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It will continue to grow. Keeping the dwellers indoors only help to win some time to develop a vaccine. They don't have a vaccine, and they are letting people out. The numbers will grow of course.irvinehomeowner said:
irvinehomeowner
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adventurous said:
Multiple studies show masks do help reducing droplets on exhale/speaking. You're late to this thread... multiple links contradict your judgement.