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[quote author="navigatn" date=1248908943]I would be just as concerned if there was a mental hospital, prison, chemical factory, strip club near my home. </blockquote>


I see. In addtion to homeless, you're also against crazy people, plastics, and single moms.



<a href="http://www.irvinehousingblog.com/forums/search_results/7a8d01287e158f4ae65856723ccd43d1/">Ok, for real, before you catch that VoC/CS knife, you might be concered about the superfund site those neighborhoods are built on.</a>



I doubt you ment any harm, but your post sure did come across badly. Sorry for giving you a hard time, but you <em>kinda</em> asked for it!
 
[quote author="xoneinax" date=1248920647]Yes, as we heard about in Downtown LA this weekend</blockquote>


Sorry, not sure what you are referring to. Do you mean the homeless man who was just charged with the murder of Lily Burk in the Wilshire area?
 
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Anyways, I had actually opened escrow a place there but after more consideration, I am calling my agent today to have her withdraw the offer. Thank god for laggy escrow companies.</blockquote>


Good move!! for the reason that no_Vas mentioned...
 
I will post the data later when I have time. There are good studies out there that show homeless people commit <strong>significantly</strong> less crimes than housed people.
 
[quote author="Mcdonna1980" date=1248928962]I will post the data later when I have time. There are good studies out there that show homeless people commit <strong>significantly</strong> less crimes than housed people.</blockquote>


I agree with that finding. It is true. From a community imagery standpoint the visual perception often is the problem.
 
[quote author="irvine_home_owner" date=1248920306][quote author="graphrix" date=1248887472]Yeah... I question the guy [...] that pimps out his mom...</blockquote>
Low blow!!!!



By the way... is it sad that although I thought that was a mean-spirited jab... I want to high-five graph for the creativity of that sucker punch.



Kudos to USC for sidestepping and choosing not to go AZDave on you... your grouchy pants must be extra tight today.</blockquote>
He made a valid point and I acknowledged it. I used to volunteer on a regular basis when I was with one my ex girlfriends (she got me off my ass), but I have slacked off big time lately. I'm thinking of maybe doing a quarterly IHB volunteering event so us fortunate folks can give back to the community.



As for pimping out my mom and dad...well, let's just say that they are great at what they do and I'm just giving an opportunity for the folks on the forum to benefit from their kick-ass services. ;) Watch, when Graph and Cacyi buy that big North Tustin home and they want to get crown moldings they'll be asking for my dad's number...just remember, GITOC has dibs on his services.
 
I volunteer at Project Angel Food as a cook from time to time. If anyone is interested:

<a href="http://www.angelfood.org">http://www.angelfood.org</a>
 
Does anyone know how Irvine keeps all the homeless people out? It seems our city's utopia is too good to be true.





P.S. Has anyone seen the homeless guy around woodbridge with long straight white hair? He is a pretty chill guy.
 
[quote author="cmoore" date=1248958183]It seems our city's utopia is too good to be true. </blockquote>


There's a dark side to Irvine you don't want to know about. Muahahaha.....
 
[quote author="cmoore" date=1248958183]Does anyone know how Irvine keeps all the homeless people out? It seems our city's utopia is too good to be true.





P.S. Has anyone seen the homeless guy around woodbridge with long straight white hair? He is a pretty chill guy.</blockquote>
Maybe since Irvine PD has so much free time on their hands they give rides to all the homeless folks in Irvine and drop them off in Santa Ana and Tustin? The site of homeless people can't be good business for TIC.
 
i think everyone needs to stop sh*ttin on the starter of this thread



the homeless shelter for me would make me concerned about property values and my kids if i had any.



no ones saying homeless = evil, but its a fact that the statistical majority of homeless are either mentally ill or substance abusers. would you want to live next to a mental hospital or a drug rehab center if you had a choice?



we should leave our emotions aside and be objective here
 
[quote author="sad.machine" date=1248965288]i think everyone needs to stop sh*ttin on the starter of this thread



the homeless shelter for me would make me concerned about property values and my kids if i had any.



no ones saying homeless = evil, but its a fact that the statistical majority of homeless are either mentally ill or substance abusers. would you want to live next to a mental hospital or a drug rehab center if you had a choice?



we should leave our emotions aside and be objective here</blockquote>


You disgust me.
 
[quote author="usctrojanman29" date=1248958598][quote author="cmoore" date=1248958183]Does anyone know how Irvine keeps all the homeless people out? It seems our city's utopia is too good to be true.





P.S. Has anyone seen the homeless guy around woodbridge with long straight white hair? He is a pretty chill guy.</blockquote>
Maybe since Irvine PD has so much free time on their hands they give rides to all the homeless folks in Irvine and drop them off in Santa Ana and Tustin? The site of homeless people can't be good business for TIC.</blockquote>


I think they have already been doing that for over a decade and quite possibly longer. At least that's what my high school teacher told our class.
 
[quote author="cmoore" date=1248958183]Does anyone know how Irvine keeps all the homeless people out? It seems our city's utopia is too good to be true.





P.S. Has anyone seen the homeless guy around woodbridge with long straight white hair? He is a pretty chill guy.</blockquote>


Has any one seen my wig?



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Wow. There's so much to respond to here, I don't know where to start. I guess I'll start with the fact that my day job is to work with local governments and non-profits to conduct research of homeless issues and develop public policy to address the issues raised by the data. As I write this I am at the National Alliance to End Homelessness' annual conference in Washington D.C. - a week spent talking with service providers and colleagues from around the nation and the globe about how to end homelessness. I don't see the need to address the original poster's feeling about a homeless facility near his home. I think many of my fellow IHB posters have raked him over the coals enough already. I find the best way to addess the concerns expressed is to educate. Two great resources for all of the homeless research data that's current is to go to the National Alliance website - www.endhomelessness.org - and to the research site where HUD posts research - www.hudhre.info.



There also isn't enough space here for me to fully post where local and federal policy currently stands on housing the homeless. But, suffice it to say that although complicated, the trend nationally is to house the homeless in permanent housing of some kind as quickly as possible, or to keep them from becoming homeless in the first place. there will probably always be a small population of people that need some kind of shelter system, so shelters will not completely disappear. But, for the same reason many of us on IHB like being housed permanently somewhere we can call home, the same is true of most homeless.



To the poster that pointed to the homeless man that is charged with murdering the young lady in LA last week...yes, some homeless are mentally ill and are dangerous. But the proportion of that homeless subpopulation is not any higher than that in the general population. School shooters, for example, tend to have some type of mental illness or cognitive impairment, but I can't think of any in recent memory that were also homeless. Every population has it's problem members.



And, one last note of interest. The current homeless data show that family homelessness comprises about 60% of most shelter residents (meaning at least one adult with at least one minor child). Therefore, a far smaller number of the homeless are the "chronically homeless", or the type of homeless profile that scares people like the original poster, or the one charged with Ms. Burk's murder. This subpopulation is generally harder to serve, but newer approaches to housing them and providing them with services suggest that these approaches may one day mean that none of these folks will need to be on the streets for months or years. I don't have the reference handy, but an article published earlier this year in the Journal of the American Medical Association printed one such study (I believe in February).



Hope these references are helpful to you IHB data junkies.
 
Chronic homeless individuals often exist in in the big cities among other fellow comrads. The social networking is how they kill time. Irvine and Tustin are not the ideal setting for them. Homeless individuals traveled from city to city via empty freight train box car and buses. They often ended up near the bus depots or train stations where they got kicked off at the end of the route. 24/7 Public restrooms, social services and shelters are the elements for their survival. A bonus would be the near by industries with trash that homeless can recycle such as fabric, boxes, plastic and aluminum. Places like San Pedro, LA Skidrow, Santa Monica, Hollywood and Santa Ana are the hot spot of the homeless population. Liquor stores and alley bars are a must for the chronic homeless population to flourish.
 
Yes, many large metro areas have visible chronically homeless populations. However, being well versed in the current situation in Orange County, I can tell you that there are chronic homeless in every one of the 34 cities. Those that are not mentally ill tend to be far less noticeable, as they take care to keep as clean as possible, and many often hold down some kind of part time work to fund basic necessities. Generally speaking, the chronically homeless do tend to be more mobile than family homeless, so the population can be difficult to track or enumerate, but any community that tells you that they have no homeless of any kind is simply lying. Irvine's manicured suburban-ness tends to keep out most chronically homeless because they know they will be promptly forced out by one means or another. The few that remain (such as the man that is usually down in University Park) are probably mentally ill and don't know or care what city they're in. Irvine does have a solid population of homeless families, and is taking far more proactive steps than many cities to address their needs, although more could certainly be done for them and their chronic counterparts.
 
Irvine's homeless population is quickly placed into shelters to prevent them from loitering and ruin the city's perfect image. Chronic homeless individuals like Spirit refuses asistance and there is nothing the law enforcement can do as long he is not violating any law and his civil right entitles him to freely enjoying the wonderful Irvine Ranch mountain to the sea trail system.
 
I also think emotions should be put aside. I wouldn't want a homeless shelter or rehab center near my house, esp if it cost over half a mil!



HOWEVER, based on another post here, we now know that it is actually PERMANENT housing for the homeless. By definition, permanent housing means they are no longer homeless. I don't know any details, but I would assume you have to be on good behavior to keep the place. It is like defaulting on a mortgage: you don't behave, you're out. This would be a pretty strong incentive for those living their to always be on their best behavior.



But real estate aside, we should be aware that homelessness will inevitably increase. I was amazed when a saw a woman holding a sign last week near Fashion Island. It read:"Lost everything, please help." She didn't meet the common stereotype for homeless people. These plans to help the homeless are not only moral, they are required for the benefit of all members of society. I thank ocresident27 for his work to achieve a better society. Helping and giving charity never hurt anybody (so long as they had the means).
 
By Young's definition your 1/2 million dollar is only an entry level home and the next product segmentation below that would be the homeless shelter so I think the proximity and zoning adjacency is about right.
 
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