Birth Tourism

[Irvinecommuter]

Foreign cash buyers do contribute to the local California economy in the form of property taxes based on inflated house values (house values inflated in part by their interest in California real estate), Mello, HOAs, etc., and the sales tax on the expensive stuff they buy.  If you do the Trump and kick them all out, Irvine may have a hard time paying for its police, schools, etc.  So you have to kind of take the good with the bad (birth tourism).  As others have mentioned, those folks who are doing birth tourism may be the same folks buying these $1M properties in Irvine, so I doubt they're all that interested in California welfare benefits.  But I could be wrong.

I'm sure you'd be singing a different tune if the birth tourism center is operating out of your next door neighbors house.

I don't condone the practice but I don't see how having a birth tourism center next to your house would have much of an effect.

 

[Bullsback]

Foreign cash buyers do contribute to the local California economy in the form of property taxes based on inflated house values (house values inflated in part by their interest in California real estate), Mello, HOAs, etc., and the sales tax on the expensive stuff they buy.  If you do the Trump and kick them all out, Irvine may have a hard time paying for its police, schools, etc.  So you have to kind of take the good with the bad (birth tourism).  As others have mentioned, those folks who are doing birth tourism may be the same folks buying these $1M properties in Irvine, so I doubt they're all that interested in California welfare benefits.  But I could be wrong.

I'm sure you'd be singing a different tune if the birth tourism center is operating out of your next door neighbors house.

I don't condone the practice but I don't see how having a birth tourism center next to your house would have much of an effect.

I certainly wouldn't want one next to my house.  I also wouldn't want a neighbor who rented a house to 3 different families or painted their house the color's of the rainbow. It is why I live in an area that has HOA's. To protect me from living next to such monstrosities that could harm the potential resale value of my property (and annoy me in my day-to-day living).

 

[Irvinecommuter]

Foreign cash buyers do contribute to the local California economy in the form of property taxes based on inflated house values (house values inflated in part by their interest in California real estate), Mello, HOAs, etc., and the sales tax on the expensive stuff they buy.  If you do the Trump and kick them all out, Irvine may have a hard time paying for its police, schools, etc.  So you have to kind of take the good with the bad (birth tourism).  As others have mentioned, those folks who are doing birth tourism may be the same folks buying these $1M properties in Irvine, so I doubt they're all that interested in California welfare benefits.  But I could be wrong.

I'm sure you'd be singing a different tune if the birth tourism center is operating out of your next door neighbors house.

I don't condone the practice but I don't see how having a birth tourism center next to your house would have much of an effect.

I certainly wouldn't want one next to my house.  I also wouldn't want a neighbor who rented a house to 3 different families or painted their house the color's of the rainbow. It is why I live in an area that has HOA's. To protect me from living next to such monstrosities that could harm the potential resale value of my property (and annoy me in my day-to-day living).

Well...the HOA can protect you in one of the three scenarios.

 

[nyc to oc]

Foreign cash buyers do contribute to the local California economy in the form of property taxes based on inflated house values (house values inflated in part by their interest in California real estate), Mello, HOAs, etc., and the sales tax on the expensive stuff they buy.  If you do the Trump and kick them all out, Irvine may have a hard time paying for its police, schools, etc.  So you have to kind of take the good with the bad (birth tourism).  As others have mentioned, those folks who are doing birth tourism may be the same folks buying these $1M properties in Irvine, so I doubt they're all that interested in California welfare benefits.  But I could be wrong.

I'm sure you'd be singing a different tune if the birth tourism center is operating out of your next door neighbors house.

I don't condone the practice but I don't see how having a birth tourism center next to your house would have much of an effect.

are you kidding me??? You don't see how it could have an effect on your day to day living? Do you feel the same away about VRBO/AirBnB next to your house rented out to random strangers? If I didn't mind living in a mixed residential/commercial zone or party zone, then I would live in a real city like NYC or LA, or even areas like downtown Long Beach, Huntington Beach, Newport, etc. 

But if I buy an expensive house in Irvine, presumbly to get a slightly boring but safe family oriented way of life with neighbors I can get to know, and then end up getting some kind of fly by night unregulated commercial venture next to me, well that's not the package I signed up for, and I sure as heck wouldn't stand by without some sort of a fight to get it shut down.

 

[Bullsback]

Foreign cash buyers do contribute to the local California economy in the form of property taxes based on inflated house values (house values inflated in part by their interest in California real estate), Mello, HOAs, etc., and the sales tax on the expensive stuff they buy.  If you do the Trump and kick them all out, Irvine may have a hard time paying for its police, schools, etc.  So you have to kind of take the good with the bad (birth tourism).  As others have mentioned, those folks who are doing birth tourism may be the same folks buying these $1M properties in Irvine, so I doubt they're all that interested in California welfare benefits.  But I could be wrong.

I'm sure you'd be singing a different tune if the birth tourism center is operating out of your next door neighbors house.

I don't condone the practice but I don't see how having a birth tourism center next to your house would have much of an effect.

I certainly wouldn't want one next to my house.  I also wouldn't want a neighbor who rented a house to 3 different families or painted their house the color's of the rainbow. It is why I live in an area that has HOA's. To protect me from living next to such monstrosities that could harm the potential resale value of my property (and annoy me in my day-to-day living).

Well...the HOA can protect you in one of the three scenarios.

Fairly certain HOA's can protect against all 3, but I'm not a lawyer. I don't think you can run a for profit birthing center in a neighborhood and you obviously can't paint your houses random colors.  I also think their are limitations to having multiple families (and overall size) although I'm not sure as to what extent.

 

[Irvinecommuter]

Foreign cash buyers do contribute to the local California economy in the form of property taxes based on inflated house values (house values inflated in part by their interest in California real estate), Mello, HOAs, etc., and the sales tax on the expensive stuff they buy.  If you do the Trump and kick them all out, Irvine may have a hard time paying for its police, schools, etc.  So you have to kind of take the good with the bad (birth tourism).  As others have mentioned, those folks who are doing birth tourism may be the same folks buying these $1M properties in Irvine, so I doubt they're all that interested in California welfare benefits.  But I could be wrong.

I'm sure you'd be singing a different tune if the birth tourism center is operating out of your next door neighbors house.

I don't condone the practice but I don't see how having a birth tourism center next to your house would have much of an effect.

are you kidding me??? You don't see how it could have an effect on your day to day living? Do you feel the same away about VRBO/AirBnB next to your house rented out to random strangers? If I didn't mind living in a mixed residential/commercial zone or party zone, then I would live in a real city like NYC or LA, or even areas like downtown Long Beach, Huntington Beach, Newport, etc. 

But if I buy an expensive house in Irvine, presumbly to get a slightly boring but safe family oriented way of life with neighbors I can get to know, and then end up getting some kind of fly by night unregulated commercial venture next to me, well that's not the package I signed up for, and I sure as heck wouldn't stand by without some sort of a fight to get it shut down.

How is that better or worse than someone renting out the house to a bunch of college kids...or a rowdy family?

 

[The Motor Court Company]

could be better - these women are deprived of sexual life and Asian women prefer US dicks over Chinese version

 

[fumbling]

At least most expectant mothers are quiet and then they leave.

 

[nosuchreality]

Actually it's a lose-lose-lose.

You're correct that Joe and Jane Average in their quest for cheap house cleaning and yard work etc are a big part of the problem. As it the farmer in trying to get their food out of the fields but that comes back to Joe and Jane and their quest for 99 cents a pound grapes. 

But the arraingement were we turn a blind eye to importing a 2nd class citizen, largely leave them in poverty with questionable rights is not win-win.  It leads to a host of problems ranging from the pverty itself, to lack of employment opportunities for seasonal work to the crime itself that tends to plague those same communities.

We as a society would be much better with paying a realistic rate for cleaning, yard work and the oddball home depot day labor than creating the poverty circles we're creating with the illegal labor.

@ Woodbury owner - you mean the illegals who cut your grass and clean your house who you probably try to nickel and dime? The agreement that exists with Mexicans is they do all the shorty jobs that no one else wants to do, we pay them very little and when they need medical care will provide that. In exchange you get all your fruits and veggies at a low price, you can get your house cleaned and grass cut for a reasonable price, etc. sounds like a win win for everyone.

 

[qwerty]

@ NSR - I agree with your comments. People are inherently selfish. You've seen plenty of comments here About how folks try to squeeze a gardener to come once a week for $40-50. Or how someone wants wants their 3000 sq ft home cleaned for 60, all under the guise of "I work hard for my money" - we all work hard for our money. The folks cleaning the houses and yards may work even harder. Perhaps because I came from nothing I sympathize with the low income folks. I believe there are studies that low income folks donate more than people with money. Perhaps for the same reason, they know what it's like not to have anything so are more understanding of people in need.

 

[Irvinecommuter]

Actually it's a lose-lose-lose.

You're correct that Joe and Jane Average in their quest for cheap house cleaning and yard work etc are a big part of the problem. As it the farmer in trying to get their food out of the fields but that comes back to Joe and Jane and their quest for 99 cents a pound grapes. 

But the arraingement were we turn a blind eye to importing a 2nd class citizen, largely leave them in poverty with questionable rights is not win-win.  It leads to a host of problems ranging from the pverty itself, to lack of employment opportunities for seasonal work to the crime itself that tends to plague those same communities.

We as a society would be much better with paying a realistic rate for cleaning, yard work and the oddball home depot day labor than creating the poverty circles we're creating with the illegal labor.

@ Woodbury owner - you mean the illegals who cut your grass and clean your house who you probably try to nickel and dime? The agreement that exists with Mexicans is they do all the shorty jobs that no one else wants to do, we pay them very little and when they need medical care will provide that. In exchange you get all your fruits and veggies at a low price, you can get your house cleaned and grass cut for a reasonable price, etc. sounds like a win win for everyone.

Agree...definitely a "lose-lose" situation.  Unfortunately people do not want to pay more and if costs can be cut without it directly affecting them, most people would be all for it.

Simple example would be tipping.  Service people get shafted because the law allows employers to pay them next to nothing on the concept that tipping exists.  Employers are scared from paying their employees better wages because it may drive up prices (and thus customers).  People like tipping because it gives them a sense of control. 

More complicated examples would be the minimal wage and taxes.

 

[qwerty]

In california restaurants still have to pay minimum wage to servers.

 

[woodburyowner]

In california restaurants still have to pay minimum wage to servers.

In other states, the minimum wage is lower for tipped employees, but the employer needs to pay them at least min wage if the tips don't make up the difference.  The argument that service people get shafted due to the lower minimum wage is completely false.

 

[Irvinecommuter]

In california restaurants still have to pay minimum wage to servers.

In other states, the minimum wage is lower for tipped employees, but the employer needs to pay them at least min wage if the tips don't make up the difference.  The argument that service people get shafted due to the lower minimum wage is completely false.

But they are getting paid minimum wage for work that is usually not considered to be minimum wage.  Basically employers are passing along the payment to the customers.

 

[eyephone]

Are you sure they are getting paid at least minimum?

 

[woodburyowner]

Are you sure they are getting paid at least minimum?

Yes, in most cases they probably get paid even more than minimum since they don't always account for all their cash tips.

 

[qwerty]

Why is waiting tables not considered a minimum wage job? No education, plenty of supply. Not sure why that job merits more than minimum wage.

 

[eyephone]

Are you sure they are getting paid at least minimum?

Yes, in most cases they probably get paid even more than minimum since they don't always account for all their cash tips.

I know you might be in shock, but there are people who work less than minimum wage.

 

[woodburyowner]

Are you sure they are getting paid at least minimum?

Yes, in most cases they probably get paid even more than minimum since they don't always account for all their cash tips.

I know you might be in shock, but there are people who work less than minimum wage.

I'm sure there are, but it is definitely not the norm.  I once worked for under minimum wage, but it was the federally set "training wage".  It went on for 3 weeks before I said anything and then they bumped me up to minimum age.

 

[eyephone]

Are you sure they are getting paid at least minimum?

Yes, in most cases they probably get paid even more than minimum since they don't always account for all their cash tips.

I know you might be in shock, but there are people who work less than minimum wage.

I'm sure there are, but it is definitely not the norm.  I once worked for under minimum wage, but it was the federally set "training wage".  It went on for 3 weeks before I said anything and then they bumped me up to minimum age.

It's the shadow labor force. People with out proper ID. Also, student on visa, that can't work.