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irvinebear said:
hello said:
jmoney74 said:
fishfinder333 said:
hello said:
iacrenter said:
From a design perspective and proximity to the GP, I can appreciate BP but the high MR and location on a superfund site is a turn off. Competition is good and it will be interesting to see how TIC and 5P play this game.


exactly...  the high MR is bad enough, but seriously do people not care that this is on a previous superfund site?  When there is no immediate cause and effect on your health, people seem to ignore things.  asbestos, DDT, DES are a few of MANY MANY toxins that have had scientifically proven harmful effects on the human body.  None of these were a concern to people until much later when we discovered these things were causing cancer 20-30 years later and in some cases like DES, causing cancer in children of exposed mothers!  I know we have TCE plume under the base and in parts of Irvine, but this base im sure the site has many other toxins.  I wouldnt be surprise that they find tons of other VOC's like benzene, toulene and heavy metals such as lead at this site.  Buyer beware...  in all honesty and I am being 100% honest here.  I wouldnt live in BP if they gave me the house...

Agreed! I don't know why so many home buyers in the BP area overlook that their home is built on a superfund site. The builders know it. That's why these homes are priced very competitively and they provide great amenities to lure buyers. Then you have the whole annual 2% increase on MR which is another issue. But thanks BP residence for paying for GP future development. My family and I will enjoy future amenities while wearing our hazmat suits  ;D

was their cleanup worthless?  I'm not a scientist but there are cleanups and testing done.. but you are implying that it won't help?

Do you think its possible to completely clean this up?  I HIGHLY doubt it.  FUrthermore its a trust issue.  Unfortunately history should tell you that you cannot trust EPA nor various other agencies.  As I mentioned in my previous post, too many past and current situations where government regulations have failed.  Why are we finding that nearly all pregnant women have various amounts of polychlorinated biphenyls, organocholrine pesticides, PBDEs, Phthalates, PAHs in their system?  Why are we finding very high levels of fire retardant in our infants?  Why? because there was a law until recently called TB-117 that forced furniture makings to use toxic levels of fire retardant regardless of whether studies which showed it was not efficacious or not.    Why do we have faucets that STILL have lead in it, especially if they are advertised as "lead free".  Why is it that we have 80K chemicals used in the USA and MOST of them have not been studied for safety?  In fact 60K of these chemicals have been grandfathered in before the toxic substance control act in 1976 and therefore no testing on them is necessary by law.  Why do we have severely elevated levels of formaldehyde in homes - especially new constructions?  Why is it that builders are not required to provide testing to prove they do not have elevated levels?  Why do you think some homes in BP are advertising low VOC paint and carpets? 

I could keep going, however specifically to the great park.  Im pretty sure this superfund site is contaminated with beneze and we know there is a trichlorethylene plume under it in the ground water.  These chemicals are KNOWN to increase neural tube defects (spina bifidia, etc), increase risk of cancers (including childhood blood cancers like leukemia, liver, lung kidney, etc), reproductive issues, etc, etc.  These are just the knowns... who knows what else they could cause. 

Yes, everyone will be exposed to dangerous chemicals and likely we come into contact with them all the time.  However why not try to avoid it as much as possible?  This is not an all or nothing issue.  These chemicals likely have a cumulative effects so it would be in your best interest to avoid as much as possible.  Can I prove that you WILL be exposed to these things?  Absolutely not, however living on top of a superfund site known to have harmful chemicals doesnt exactly seem like the best thing to do.

While you're at it, why don't you share your opinion on vaccinations as well?  Seriously, this diatribe is grade A political talking head babble.

Everyone should be vaccinated. TCE?....well thats not for everyone.  Perhaps just you.
 
hello said:
Buyer beware...  in all honesty and I am being 100% honest here.  I wouldnt live in BP if they gave me the house...

Well since we're being 100% honest here, I'm pretty sure no one is giving you a house in BP, contaminated or not, so you have nothing to worry about!  Here's hoping your PSA saved a few lives in the meanwhile..... :)
 
On this topic; having EPA claim something is safe doesn't mean it actually is. If a child develops some sickness because of TCE, there just isn't a way to collect evidence to prove that fact. Stuff like this takes decades and many lives to play out.
 
just a slippery slope.. You don't trust the EPA.. then anything anywhere can be a hazard. 
 
My best understanding is the contaminated area is directly related to aircraft maintenance area to the south and southwest. After maintenance the aircrafts took off to the Baker Ranch direction. No housing will be built over these zones. City of Irvine still own those parcels.

The current housings are being built over area where equestrians, former administrative office buildings, cafeteria and human resource structures once stood.

The current housing area sits on higher elevation where the PLUME does not migrate uphill to. The PLUME follows gravity to lower elevations toward Old Town Irvine, IVC, Arbor Shopping Center and WoodBridge.

The former base was divided into 3 zones: habitat, military training and industrial. Habitat was to the north and northwest. training was to the northeast and east toward Alton Parkway and industrial maintenance and storage near the Spectrum and train track.

There were 3 entrances. Visitors and families came in through the habitat and admin entrance on Trabuco. Training and affiliates checked in at the Irvine Blvd entrance near the jail. Delivery and waste management came through the Sand Canyon entrance by Old Town Irvine.
 
irvinehomeshopper said:
My best understanding is the contaminated area is directly related to aircraft maintenance area to the south and southwest. After maintenance the aircrafts took off to the Baker Ranch direction. No housing will be built over these zones. City of Irvine still own those parcels.

The current housings are being built over area where equestrians, former administrative office buildings, cafeteria and human resource structures once stood.

The current housing area sits on higher elevation where the PLUME does not migrate uphill to. The PLUME follows gravity to lower elevations toward Old Town Irvine, IVC, Arbor Shopping Center and WoodBridge.

The former base was divided into 3 zones: habitat, military training and industrial. Habitat was to the north and northwest. training was to the northeast and east toward Alton Parkway and industrial maintenance and storage near the Spectrum and train track.

There were 3 entrances. Visitors and families came in through the habitat and admin entrance on Trabuco. Training and affiliates checked in at the Irvine Blvd entrance near the jail. Delivery and waste management came through the Sand Canyon entrance by Old Town Irvine.

tl;dr ... It's either toxic or perfectly safe. Who has time for these nuanced arguments...
 
Curious if anyone has any opinions on what they expect traffic/flow to be like on Bosque, especially after next couple of communities are built.

Does anyone know if there will be a road bisecting Upperbee Canyon? 
 
Angels_Baseball_2015 said:
I will be sure to look for them mutated ants and insects at Beacon Park.

Found one.
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eyephone said:
You forgot to mention the Jamboree traffic noise, the current assigned schools, and the wonder view of the hangers.

I don't get why the hangars are lumped in with "negative" things. They are an interesting piece of Orange County history. They are designated as historical landmarks.  I am amazed when I look at them. They are among the largest freestanding wooden structures in the world. They used 2 million feet of wood to make these. There are only 5 other hangars remaining.
 
SoCal said:
eyephone said:
You forgot to mention the Jamboree traffic noise, the current assigned schools, and the wonder view of the hangers.

I don't get why the hangars are lumped in with "negative" things. They are an interesting piece of Orange County history. They are designated as historical landmarks.  I am amazed when I look at them. They are among the largest freestanding wooden structures in the world. They used 2 million feet of wood to make these. There are only 5 other hangars remaining.

Bowerman landfill is a also an interesting piece of Orange County history.  I too am amazed when I look at it.  It has to be among the largest dumpsite in Calfornia and can accept 11 tons of trash per day.  It must be among the last 5 dumpsites in Orange County remaining.

Too bad people view it as a negative.  Just sayin.  ;D
 
SoCal said:
eyephone said:
You forgot to mention the Jamboree traffic noise, the current assigned schools, and the wonder view of the hangers.

I don't get why the hangars are lumped in with "negative" things. They are an interesting piece of Orange County history. They are designated as historical landmarks.  I am amazed when I look at them. They are among the largest freestanding wooden structures in the world. They used 2 million feet of wood to make these. There are only 5 other hangars remaining.

While this may all be true they are not aesthetically pleasing. Perhaps if they were maintained better. One is just sitting there with the roof collapsed and it has been red tagged. Not sure what the delay is in tearing that one down. The other one may be incorporated int Tustin legacy plans until the roof caves in on that one and kills some one.
 
qwerty said:
SoCal said:
eyephone said:
You forgot to mention the Jamboree traffic noise, the current assigned schools, and the wonder view of the hangers.

I don't get why the hangars are lumped in with "negative" things. They are an interesting piece of Orange County history. They are designated as historical landmarks.  I am amazed when I look at them. They are among the largest freestanding wooden structures in the world. They used 2 million feet of wood to make these. There are only 5 other hangars remaining.

While this may all be true they are not aesthetically pleasing. Perhaps if they were maintained better. One is just sitting there with the roof collapsed and it has been red tagged. Not sure what the delay is in tearing that one down. The other one may be incorporated int Tustin legacy plans until the roof caves in on that one and kills some one.

Or they can turn that hanger into something amazing...

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All cool stuff.  So many possibilities. 
Indoor golf, rock climbing, ninja warrior set, laser tag... In the end, they'll probably just tear it down and build condos
 
Hard to tell from the models and too lazy to check the site plan for each tract but which of these homes are the lowest priced but with a real driveway? And which start on a real street and not a motorcourt?

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The Crane is among the most desired Feng Shui animal. It is depicted in countless Chinese paintings, poetry, and literature.

The painting of a Crane against a background of the sun signifies the desire to attain social recognition.

Ancient Chinese interpreted the white plumage of the Crane as a sign of purity; its red cap representing the element of fire or vitality which is also a sign of fame and recognition.

The Chinese see this majestic bird as the bird of immortality.  He symbolizes happiness and smooth flight;  a smooth path through life.

As well as inside the home an image of the Crane is auspicious when displayed in the garden, inviting longevity and good health luck for the family.

Crane facing east, which represents the location of health and well-being, is representative of peace, good health and long life for the family, especially older members of the household and the sons of the family.

Long legs anchoring the south homesites the Crane will bring opportunities. Wings in the West it signifies good luck for the children of the home and beak pointing in the Northwest the Crane will bring positive benefits to the male of the family.

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Both PP and BP together formed the head and body of the crane. Meticulously planned streets and open spaces form a pattern that coincide the shape of the crane and also reflect 5 positive Chinese characters

The long legs extend and connect to future planning areas bringing both existing northern neighborhoods and future southern developments into harmony. 

 
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