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[quote author="Panda "]I have a question for you guys. How does Coronado compare apples to apples with Portisol and Rosemoor and Villa Rosa compare to Sonoma? Back in '07 I had a chance to look inside the smallest SFR in Woodbury, 43 Rising Sun 1700 sq/ft (Portisol) and the back yard really made a big difference as owner put some money into the landscaping. HOA was $105 and price was listed for $799,900.

I know Rosemoor and Villa Rosa are on 4500 - 5000 lots. Is this the same for Sonoma or are the lots much smaller? [/quote]

Well here are the Portisol floor plans....

http://dianemerassa.com/woodbury-homes/portisol-floorplans.html

Do these have a drive way (I see the entry on the same side as the garage)?

I think the plans are nice, but it is 170K more than Coronado so....
 
[quote author="scubasteve"]
[quote author="Panda "]I have a question for you guys. How does Coronado compare apples to apples with Portisol and Rosemoor and Villa Rosa compare to Sonoma? Back in '07 I had a chance to look inside the smallest SFR in Woodbury, 43 Rising Sun 1700 sq/ft (Portisol) and the back yard really made a big difference as owner put some money into the landscaping. HOA was $105 and price was listed for $799,900.

I know Rosemoor and Villa Rosa are on 4500 - 5000 lots. Is this the same for Sonoma or are the lots much smaller? [/quote]

Well here are the Portisol floor plans....

http://dianemerassa.com/woodbury-homes/portisol-floorplans.html

Do these have a drive way (I see the entry on the same side as the garage)?

I think the plans are nice, but it is 170K more than Coronado so....

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Yes, these are set up as traditional SFR. With the Driveway and Entry facing the street.
 
[quote author="Panda "]I have a question for you guys. How does Coronado compare apples to apples with Portisol and Rosemoor and Villa Rosa compare to Sonoma? Back in '07 I had a chance to look inside the smallest SFR in Woodbury, 43 Rising Sun 1700 sq/ft (Portisol) and the back yard really made a big difference as owner put some money into the landscaping. HOA was $105 and price was listed for $799,900.

I know Rosemoor and Villa Rosa are on 4500 - 5000 lots. Is this the same for Sonoma or are the lots much smaller? [/quote]

No comparison to Portisol and Coronado. None at all. Not the same type of product.
 
[quote author="ck"]
[quote author="Panda "]I have a question for you guys. How does Coronado compare apples to apples with Portisol and Rosemoor and Villa Rosa compare to Sonoma? Back in '07 I had a chance to look inside the smallest SFR in Woodbury, 43 Rising Sun 1700 sq/ft (Portisol) and the back yard really made a big difference as owner put some money into the landscaping. HOA was $105 and price was listed for $799,900.

I know Rosemoor and Villa Rosa are on 4500 - 5000 lots. Is this the same for Sonoma or are the lots much smaller? [/quote]

No comparison to Portisol and Coronado. None at all. Not the same type of product.
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Oh, OK . It's a good thing you edited that about the alley loaded or motorcourt thing. But still, how is it not the same product. I mean, I get it about Coronado since it's on a motorcourt, but Portisol and Sonoma seem pretty similar to me....what is your basis for saying that they are not similar.

Similarities:

Both are SFR
Both are NOT alley loaded or motorcourt
Both have decent sized lots (granted probably not 5000, but, its Irvine)
 
Portisol and Sonoma are very similar. Portisol and Coronado not so much. Panda was not asking how Portisol and Sonoma compared --- he was asking about Coronado and Portisol, because of their similar interior size. Even though the interior sq ft is similar, those two homes would *live* totally different.
 
[quote author="ck"]Portisol and Sonoma are very similar. Portisol and Coronado not so much. Panda was not asking how Portisol and Sonoma compared --- he was asking about Coronado and Portisol, because of their similar interior size. Even though the interior sq ft is similar, those two homes would *live* totally different.[/quote]

I see what you mean - I misinterpreted your reply. Thanks for clarifying.
 
[quote author="scubasteve"]
[quote author="Panda "]I have a question for you guys. How does Coronado compare apples to apples with Portisol and Rosemoor and Villa Rosa compare to Sonoma? Back in '07 I had a chance to look inside the smallest SFR in Woodbury, 43 Rising Sun 1700 sq/ft (Portisol) and the back yard really made a big difference as owner put some money into the landscaping. HOA was $105 and price was listed for $799,900.

I know Rosemoor and Villa Rosa are on 4500 - 5000 lots. Is this the same for Sonoma or are the lots much smaller? [/quote]

Well here are the Portisol floor plans....

http://dianemerassa.com/woodbury-homes/portisol-floorplans.html

Do these have a drive way (I see the entry on the same side as the garage)?

I think the plans are nice, but it is 170K more than Coronado so....

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Portisol's are a pretty nice price point/value mix for WB--traditional SFR with a driveway connected to standard street, decent backyard (for WB standards), and more lot space than any alley (StoneTree) or motor court product (Montecito). There is just not much supply of the stuff in WB.
 
Looks like my input is needed in this thread.

First, let me clarify this BS hype on the interest list of a 1000 people. (Insert twirly finger icon here.) I assume that is for the community as a whole, which means that every executive at every builder is on that list as well as several other employees, subs, and tally whackers they can find. Maybe, 1-3 are actually interested of the 200-300 people from that part of the list. 90% of the rest of the people are not actually interested or will not qualify or will have bought another home in the mean time. In fact, this interest list of 1000 is pretty pathetic. Back in the hey day, there would be more than 5 times that many people on that list by now, and that is for one project, not the entire community. With all the hype being touted here, that list doesn't reflect it. I could be wrong on how this works nowadays, but rarely if ever do builders change their archaic ways.

KB Homes builds crap. They are the lowest of the low when it comes to quality, service, and JD power ratings. The only builder worse than them is the builder for Brightwater. Lennar is a close second for being the worst, but they have done extensive research on the most efficient ways to cut corners. Not that that is a good thing, but KB just gets the cheapest subs with the cheapest materials without any research. If there is a corner to be cut, you can count on them cutting it. IMO, I would NEVER buy a KB home.

I am too lazy to go look up who the two new builders are. While I do not know them personally, I do know of them. Both the builder who came from the Laing executives and the one that came from the Lyon executives will probably be the two best builders of the bunch there. I could be wrong, but I know they will strive to be the best. Why? Because they have to. It's the only way that they can succeed and they know it.
 
[quote author="graphrix"]First, let me clarify this BS hype on the interest list of a 1000 people. (Insert twirly finger icon here.) I assume that is for the community as a whole, which means that every executive at every builder is on that list as well as several other employees, subs, and tally whackers they can find. Maybe, 1-3 are actually interested of the 200-300 people from that part of the list. 90% of the rest of the people are not actually interested or will not qualify or will have bought another home in the mean time. In fact, this interest list of 1000 is pretty pathetic. Back in the hey day, there would be more than 5 times that many people on that list by now, and that is for one project, not the entire community. With all the hype being touted here, that list doesn't reflect it. I could be wrong on how this works nowadays, but rarely if ever do builders change their archaic ways. [/quote]
I was being sarcastic but the actual quote from the OC Register was this:
The Priority Registration list opened up in early December, and grew to more than 1,000 people within one week, according to company spokesman John Christensen.
It probably has much more than that now if that was true but it is also probably full of lots of fluff.

Whatever the true number of qualified buyers are on that list, just the fact that they are on there at this price point is amazing don't you think?

TIC must serve the best Kool-Aid in the county... "hurry before the Federal Tax Credit expires!"
 
[quote author="graphrix"]Looks like my input is needed in this thread.
KB Homes builds crap. They are the lowest of the low when it comes to quality, service, and JD power ratings. The only builder worse than them is the builder for Brightwater. Lennar is a close second for being the worst, but they have done extensive research on the most efficient ways to cut corners. Not that that is a good thing, but KB just gets the cheapest subs with the cheapest materials without any research. If there is a corner to be cut, you can count on them cutting it. IMO, I would NEVER buy a KB home. [/quote]

ScubaSteve, Are you sure you still want to give KB Homes your 3% deposit?
 
[quote author="Panda "]
[quote author="graphrix"]Looks like my input is needed in this thread.
KB Homes builds crap. They are the lowest of the low when it comes to quality, service, and JD power ratings. The only builder worse than them is the builder for Brightwater. Lennar is a close second for being the worst, but they have done extensive research on the most efficient ways to cut corners. Not that that is a good thing, but KB just gets the cheapest subs with the cheapest materials without any research. If there is a corner to be cut, you can count on them cutting it. IMO, I would NEVER buy a KB home. [/quote]

ScubaSteve, Are you sure you still want to give KB Homes your 3% deposit? [/quote]

haha... yea i've made up my mind. I'm very thankful that the blog saved me from buying in AV two years ago and while I respect everyone's opinions, sometimes you have to just go with what feels right for you and your family.

I'm pretty set on buying in Irvine (i've been working here for the last 10 years) and I know I'll be happy in WE. I took everyone's advice on the forums and actually rented a townhouse in Woodbury for a year and my wife and i really love the area.
 
[quote author="scubasteve"]
[quote author="Panda "]

ScubaSteve, Are you sure you still want to give KB Homes your 3% deposit? [/quote]

haha... yea i've made up my mind. I'm very thankful that the blog saved me from buying in AV two years ago and while I respect everyone's opinions, sometimes you have to just go with what feels right for you and your family.

I'm pretty set on buying in Irvine (i've been working here for the last 10 years) and I know I'll be happy in WE. I took everyone's advice on the forums and actually rented a townhouse in Woodbury for a year and my wife and i really love the area.
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Hey man. that's sounds great! I'm really glad that you are set on buying in Irvine and doing what's right for you and your family. I've been also entertaining the thought of buying in Ladera or AV, but now I know for sure Irvine is where i want to be.
 
[quote author="Panda "]
[quote author="scubasteve"]

haha... yea i've made up my mind. I'm very thankful that the blog saved me from buying in AV two years ago and while I respect everyone's opinions, sometimes you have to just go with what feels right for you and your family.

I'm pretty set on buying in Irvine (i've been working here for the last 10 years) and I know I'll be happy in WE. I took everyone's advice on the forums and actually rented a townhouse in Woodbury for a year and my wife and i really love the area.
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Hey man. that's sounds great! I'm really glad that you are set on buying in Irvine and doing what's right for you and your family. I've been also entertaining the thought of buying in Ladera or AV, but now I know for sure Irvine is where i want to be.[/quote]

I actually lived in Ladera the last 5 years before moving to WB last year. I was considering the area as well (along with AV since I felt it was closer to Irvine than LR), but once I moved to WB, i LOVED the drive to work and the convenience of being in the area. I didn't realize how much time I spent in my car every day (45 minutes to and from work in Irvine). Other than the commute, Ladera is a pretty nice place to live and I did really enjoy it when I was there for 5 years.
 
[quote author="graphrix"]Looks like my input is needed in this thread.

First, let me clarify this BS hype on the interest list of a 1000 people. (Insert twirly finger icon here.) I assume that is for the community as a whole, which means that every executive at every builder is on that list as well as several other employees, subs, and tally whackers they can find. Maybe, 1-3 are actually interested of the 200-300 people from that part of the list. 90% of the rest of the people are not actually interested or will not qualify or will have bought another home in the mean time. In fact, this interest list of 1000 is pretty pathetic. Back in the hey day, there would be more than 5 times that many people on that list by now, and that is for one project, not the entire community. With all the hype being touted here, that list doesn't reflect it. I could be wrong on how this works nowadays, but rarely if ever do builders change their archaic ways.

KB Homes builds crap. They are the lowest of the low when it comes to quality, service, and JD power ratings. The only builder worse than them is the builder for Brightwater. Lennar is a close second for being the worst, but they have done extensive research on the most efficient ways to cut corners. Not that that is a good thing, but KB just gets the cheapest subs with the cheapest materials without any research. If there is a corner to be cut, you can count on them cutting it. IMO, I would NEVER buy a KB home.

I am too lazy to go look up who the two new builders are. While I do not know them personally, I do know of them. Both the builder who came from the Laing executives and the one that came from the Lyon executives will probably be the two best builders of the bunch there. I could be wrong, but I know they will strive to be the best. Why? Because they have to. It's the only way that they can succeed and they know it. [/quote]
As much as I'd like to agree with you graph, I'm thinking that the numbers on that list are probably well above 1,000 today. Two of my buyers are anxiously awaiting a call from the sales offices of Monecito. The fact of the matter is that the lack of real inventory is frustrating the hell out of people who are focused on buying in Irvine and TIC knows this. Think about why they aren't giving any type of buyer's agent commission on these new homes. Compared to buying some of the WTF overpriced resales in the $375-$400/sf range these Woodbury homes are a decent deal in the minds of many Irvine buyers. Perception becomes reality in a market that has less than 2.5 months worth of supply.
 
I wonder since this is TIC owning the land, if they are going to be more watchful with the builders to make sure they produce a good product.

Wouldn't it be at TIC's cost for warranty issues and repairs? Or is that with the builder? Has this ever happened before with any other land in Irvine where TIC still owned the land and the builder was basically a contractor?

I wouldn't worry too much about Negative Nelly... graph has to come in here and warn people or else he'll feel guilty. It's a good thing that keeps everyone on their toes. Let's hope that the product KB puts up now isn't the same as they used to before (although they were one of my faves since they always did the 3-car frontal garage type house... hehe).
 
[quote author="scubasteve"]
[quote author="Panda "]

Hey man. that's sounds great! I'm really glad that you are set on buying in Irvine and doing what's right for you and your family. I've been also entertaining the thought of buying in Ladera or AV, but now I know for sure Irvine is where i want to be.[/quote]

I actually lived in Ladera the last 5 years before moving to WB last year. I was considering the area as well (along with AV since I felt it was closer to Irvine than LR), but once I moved to WB, i LOVED the drive to work and the convenience of being in the area. I didn't realize how much time I spent in my car every day (45 minutes to and from work in Irvine). Other than the commute, Ladera is a pretty nice place to live and I did really enjoy it when I was there for 5 years.[/quote]

I have always said buy the place you love. If you love WE and the KB home, then it will be great decision for you. My opinion isn't worth the ?2 it used to be, but as long as you buy what you love it won't matter what $ or ? opinion you get, what matters is what will make you happy.

How you survived 5 years in Fraudera Ranch is beyond me though. Glad you escaped.
 
[quote author="USCTrojanCPA"]As much as I'd like to agree with you graph, I'm thinking that the numbers on that list are probably well above 1,000 today. Two of my buyers are anxiously awaiting a call from the sales offices of Monecito. The fact of the matter is that the lack of real inventory is frustrating the hell out of people who are focused on buying in Irvine and TIC knows this. Think about why they aren't giving any type of buyer's agent commission on these new homes. Compared to buying some of the WTF overpriced resales in the $375-$400/sf range these Woodbury homes are a decent deal in the minds of many Irvine buyers. Perception becomes reality in a market that has less than 2.5 months worth of supply.[/quote]

I don't know if that is the best advice I would be telling people, but to each there own and we will see.

There is more to know about why they aren't offering a co-op commission to agents. They never really needed to, but they offered it out of desperation, and not for the right reasons. They don't need to sell off the entire project in bulk, because, well, they are selling. So no offense, but they don't need you, and they certainly shouldn't be paying you for a job they do themselves. You can give me some spiel about how your buyers get back part of your commission, but your buyers are paying for it.

And even if that list has tripled or quadrupled, it is still pathetic for an entire community. It would be good if it were for one project, but it is not. TIC knows this, and they still aren't offering a co-op, what does that tell you?

I think this community will sell fairly well, but only out of desperation of buyers who believe the hype and RE scare tactics of low inventory. There are only so many buyers in this buyer pool, and once they are gone and have bought homes, they will be gone forever until the next pool gets off the fence when the economics make more sense. And many will regret buying in this community if 5-10 years (sorry Steve), because the resale value will suck when a better product begins selling at the same price point. Think about it, if a better and bigger product isn't selling then that price point only has one way to go... D O W N. Unless TIC changes all their future projects to this product type, there will be no way this price point holds. So they have that option or the option to bring the price point down to the buyer. How many buyers out there for $800k and above? Uh huh, that is what I thought.
 
And when I say resale value, I don't just mean price in an investment sense. I mean it in the sense of higher desirability. I could be wrong, but I believe this product will not be as desirable as something similar in size but slightly larger and more separated lot. One of the selling points to buy, at least for me, is the privacy. I don't want the neighbors to see me or me see them, nor do I want to hear them or smell their food or shite coming out of their window. Isn't this exactly what the bulls tell us on why you should buy a home, so you don't have to hear/see/smell your neighbors?
 
[quote author="graphrix"]
[quote author="USCTrojanCPA"]As much as I'd like to agree with you graph, I'm thinking that the numbers on that list are probably well above 1,000 today. Two of my buyers are anxiously awaiting a call from the sales offices of Monecito. The fact of the matter is that the lack of real inventory is frustrating the hell out of people who are focused on buying in Irvine and TIC knows this. Think about why they aren't giving any type of buyer's agent commission on these new homes. Compared to buying some of the WTF overpriced resales in the $375-$400/sf range these Woodbury homes are a decent deal in the minds of many Irvine buyers. Perception becomes reality in a market that has less than 2.5 months worth of supply.[/quote]

I don't know if that is the best advice I would be telling people, but to each there own and we will see.

There is more to know about why they aren't offering a co-op commission to agents. They never really needed to, but they offered it out of desperation, and not for the right reasons. They don't need to sell off the entire project in bulk, because, well, they are selling. So no offense, but they don't need you, and they certainly shouldn't be paying you for a job they do themselves. You can give me some spiel about how your buyers get back part of your commission, but your buyers are paying for it.

And even if that list has tripled or quadrupled, it is still pathetic for an entire community. It would be good if it were for one project, but it is not. TIC knows this, and they still aren't offering a co-op, what does that tell you?

I think this community will sell fairly well, but only out of desperation of buyers who believe the hype and RE scare tactics of low inventory. There are only so many buyers in this buyer pool, and once they are gone and have bought homes, they will be gone forever until the next pool gets off the fence when the economics make more sense. And many will regret buying in this community if 5-10 years (sorry Steve), because the resale value will suck when a better product begins selling at the same price point. Think about it, if a better and bigger product isn't selling then that price point only has one way to go... D O W N. Unless TIC changes all their future projects to this product type, there will be no way this price point holds. So they have that option or the option to bring the price point down to the buyer. How many buyers out there for $800k and above? Uh huh, that is what I thought. [/quote]
It's common sense why TIC isn't offering any buyer co-op on these projects, they know they can sell out the projects via their marketing and brand name (not to mention the lack of competing re-sale inventory) without pain of having to pay 2-3% to agents to bring them buyers. They see the same thing that I do...that inventory levels are in the low 400s for resales and new listings are swarmed with potential buyers within days of the properties hitting the market. I too think that their projects will sell out because there is a lot of pent up demand for newer homes in Irvine, especially from the Asian community. You would be surprised at how many buyers there are out there looking to buy a $700k-$900k home, especially in Irvine. Both of my buyers want to buy into the Monetico project and I hope they get the home/lot they want because at the end of the day I want them to be happy with the home that they buy. They are the ones that feel bad for me that after working with them for several months I won't earn any commission, I just want them to be happy. So I don't know where you think I'm sour about TIC not offering any buyer's co-op commish.
 
must say this topic has brought some life to the forums. I will say I'm not a fan of these homes one bit but I do think they will sell because people in their their 20's and 30's or whatever don't remember prices ever being low. Not to mention compared to the crappy inventory levels out there and some of the asking prices out there (many of which are actually selling!) has made people get desperate and this project fits the mold. For me, I just rather would pick somewhere else with some sort of a lot if I'm paying over 300 a sq. ft. For my friend in my age group it is very hard to talk sense into them because all those RE lines (ex. prices only go up or interest rates are super low) have been beaten into their heads and that the only thing they know.

Either way, I think this thread alone jumped 5 pages in one day. I like it! Lots of good information and dialogue in here.

Edit: Wow, this turned into a rant. Hope it makes sense!

I will add that I am glad people are buying and there is some good demand out there for 2 reasons:

1. Imagine how much worse things could be out there in the job market/economy if no one was buying. I think we need some economic activity out there to stop some bleeding. Granted, a good amount of it is due to government intervention, but I won't go there.
2. If people buy now, they will not be there to compete with me when I am ready to buy <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
 
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