reason_IHB
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oops. ....I said, "Add these........." <---- I refrained from using another reason why Asians drive slow.
Who are the slow drivers on the freeways?
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hyu1997_IHB
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<p>About who causes accident on the road, slower driver and asian driver is only small contributor of the accident. </p>
<p>To be complete, there are two other reasons I think causes more accident than slower driver: drunk driver and drugged driver. </p>
<p>If you do a market research about drunk driver and drugger driver, will you still see majority of drunk and drugged drivers are asians. </p>
<p>You see what I mean? This is what I called market research. IF you need to market research result, make it whole and complete. </p>
<p>To be complete, there are two other reasons I think causes more accident than slower driver: drunk driver and drugged driver. </p>
<p>If you do a market research about drunk driver and drugger driver, will you still see majority of drunk and drugged drivers are asians. </p>
<p>You see what I mean? This is what I called market research. IF you need to market research result, make it whole and complete. </p>
irvine123_IHB
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<p>lets give HYU1997 the last word</p>
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BethN_IHB
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<p>Blue:</p>
<p>You are so right on about driving through the Leisure World Area. I lived in south county (pre 73 toll road) and Moulton Pkwy. was a good alternative to the 5 fwy. I learned a very important lesson: Be very careful driving on Moulton, especially when you can't see the driver's head. Give me Asian drivers any day.</p>
<p>You are so right on about driving through the Leisure World Area. I lived in south county (pre 73 toll road) and Moulton Pkwy. was a good alternative to the 5 fwy. I learned a very important lesson: Be very careful driving on Moulton, especially when you can't see the driver's head. Give me Asian drivers any day.</p>
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Janet_IHB
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<p>"If you do a market research about drunk driver and drugger driver, will you still see majority of drunk and drugged drivers are asians."</p>
<p>Is this true?</p>
<p>I don't think I've ever seen a drunk asian. </p>
<p>Is this true?</p>
<p>I don't think I've ever seen a drunk asian. </p>
Rocker_IHB
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<p>I have seen elderly Caucasians with Cadillacs driving very slow. Frequently seen in North Tustin and other older neighborhoods.
My rule is: if I can't see the head of the driver in front of me, only his/her arms: either is an elderly person or a woman, invariably will drive very slow.
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My rule is: if I can't see the head of the driver in front of me, only his/her arms: either is an elderly person or a woman, invariably will drive very slow.
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effenheimer_IHB
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Hyu, there's no market research on drunk and drugged drivers because nobody is selling anything to them. Do you understand why market research exists?
No_Such_Reality_IHB
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<p><em>- Myself I prefer to stick with the flow of traffic because I hate sitting in traffic.</em> </p>
<p>This is where the interesting SoCal phenomenom comes in. You can be driving the speed limit and easily 15 MPH slower than the rest of the vehicles. </p>
<p>Typically, I coast along with the flow. </p>
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<p>This is where the interesting SoCal phenomenom comes in. You can be driving the speed limit and easily 15 MPH slower than the rest of the vehicles. </p>
<p>Typically, I coast along with the flow. </p>
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<p>The fact of the matter is this: anyone who gets on the road better be well prepared for what lies ahead. Not everyone drives as good (or as bad) as I do, and everyone has their good days and bad days. No market research will tell me what I will face on the road on my way home from work, and nobody has and ever will give me a warning or a waving of their hand when they are about to hit me with their vehicle. Driving is a dangerous endeavor. Understanding and acceptance of that risk is needed, especially in southern california of all places.</p>
<p>With that said, every accident I have been in was with people who were talking on their cellphone. Hence, my biggest gripe is cell phone users, especially those who don't even signal while driving with their cellphone on their shoulder. This morning, I got cut off by a grandma who had no idea where she was going, a cellphone user who signaled right but changed his lane to the left, and a teenager who was crying, driving, and ON THE CELLPHONE!</p>
<p>With that said, every accident I have been in was with people who were talking on their cellphone. Hence, my biggest gripe is cell phone users, especially those who don't even signal while driving with their cellphone on their shoulder. This morning, I got cut off by a grandma who had no idea where she was going, a cellphone user who signaled right but changed his lane to the left, and a teenager who was crying, driving, and ON THE CELLPHONE!</p>
profette_IHB
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Eff, deliciously snarky and apropos.
effenheimer_IHB
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Hey, I'm not out to bust any chops, but Hyu clearly doesn't get why bkshopr is throwing around stereotypes like free candy. Stereotypes do not spring forth from a vacuum and there's <strong>lots</strong> of money to be made by understanding their nuances.
Trooper_IHB
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<p>FYI trusty readers. You may talk on your cell phones while driving for now, as long as you do it safely and aren't "driving distracted" as a result. Blue cites a perfect example of distracted driving....signalling one way, yet turning the other. You may be ticketed for this.</p>
<p>The new law that requires hands free cell phone use goes into effect on July 1, 2008. Mark it in your calendars. </p>
<p>The new law that requires hands free cell phone use goes into effect on July 1, 2008. Mark it in your calendars. </p>
profette_IHB
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I will Troop, I promise!
bkshopr_IHB
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I thank many of you for your valuable contribution to my study. So many people are trying to be politically correct and are afraid to voice their opinions. I found this Irvine Housing Blog forum to be an excellent communication vehicle to express our candidness of issues. Irvine is a relatively conservative territory and I respect its statue. However at the same time it is through this forum that I have learned and cherished all the heart-felt personalities and insights from its members here.
Sometime my comments may be funny and serious at time. Setting trends require prediction. Research and prediction of products acceptance must satisfy the majority of users that share commonality. In most cases with exception like Tourbillion, Asians drive slower than the flow of traffic. Some members I will not mention names definitely fall into my analysis and felt the personal attack and offended. The immediate defense is to include other problematic drivers who are the rebels on the highways. No one is interested in rebels and they are liability. Insurance companies and auto companies do not want their patronage. The goal of my study is to help auto manufacturers to understand the psyche behind the Asian drivers’ behavior. This is one of the largest ethnic consumer groups for cars. The behavior could fall into several categories:
1) The concern for safety
2) Afraid of pain due bodily injury resulting in slower speed is less painful than faster speed,
3) psychological fear of fast movement and acceleration, wear and tear of engine is minimized at slower speed, similarities of motor vehicular behavioral trait among Korean, Cantonese, Taiwanese, Vietnamese, Japanese, Pilipino, and Mainland Chinese (could environment across the entire Asia caused this similar reaction)
4) Older Asians factor in longer time for travel so getting to the destination is never in a hurry.
5) Afraid of death perception of injury at higher speed is fatal
6) As Asians grow older motor skill decline quicker than other race,
7) Frugality so to avoid speeding tickets and higher insurance rate.
8) Vehicular design for larger frame individual may cause visual impairment for smaller frame Asians. (Dashboard is too high when seat is adjusted higher for visibility foot is too far away from gas pedal.
9) Fear of law officer when getting pulled over. (Stigma and fear of getting pull aside by a police officer. Language barrier could be an issue.) In Asia confrontation with a law officer is shameful and loses honor. Almost all Asians all law abiding citizens. Following rules and order is #1 for Asians
10) Lack of motor vehicular education that driving at or slower than posted speed may not be safest. (Driver Education were offered at US high schools level and slower drivers tend to fall in the categories where drivers came to the US after high school in Asia)
Many of the aforementioned hypotheses could sound offensive and may also identify the traits and slow driving habit of some of the members in this forum. Many may say I am a racist or racially stereotypes. I am in this field because my degrees were in the field of science my methodology is the mixture of science logic and psychology. There are always exceptions. For example ABCs drive much faster than most people. They tricked up their high performance cars. They share the same DNA trait as their slow snail pace mom and dad drivers but yet the ABCs drive very differently. This to me is a fascinating environmental, psychological and behavioral science.
Sometime my comments may be funny and serious at time. Setting trends require prediction. Research and prediction of products acceptance must satisfy the majority of users that share commonality. In most cases with exception like Tourbillion, Asians drive slower than the flow of traffic. Some members I will not mention names definitely fall into my analysis and felt the personal attack and offended. The immediate defense is to include other problematic drivers who are the rebels on the highways. No one is interested in rebels and they are liability. Insurance companies and auto companies do not want their patronage. The goal of my study is to help auto manufacturers to understand the psyche behind the Asian drivers’ behavior. This is one of the largest ethnic consumer groups for cars. The behavior could fall into several categories:
1) The concern for safety
2) Afraid of pain due bodily injury resulting in slower speed is less painful than faster speed,
3) psychological fear of fast movement and acceleration, wear and tear of engine is minimized at slower speed, similarities of motor vehicular behavioral trait among Korean, Cantonese, Taiwanese, Vietnamese, Japanese, Pilipino, and Mainland Chinese (could environment across the entire Asia caused this similar reaction)
4) Older Asians factor in longer time for travel so getting to the destination is never in a hurry.
5) Afraid of death perception of injury at higher speed is fatal
6) As Asians grow older motor skill decline quicker than other race,
7) Frugality so to avoid speeding tickets and higher insurance rate.
8) Vehicular design for larger frame individual may cause visual impairment for smaller frame Asians. (Dashboard is too high when seat is adjusted higher for visibility foot is too far away from gas pedal.
9) Fear of law officer when getting pulled over. (Stigma and fear of getting pull aside by a police officer. Language barrier could be an issue.) In Asia confrontation with a law officer is shameful and loses honor. Almost all Asians all law abiding citizens. Following rules and order is #1 for Asians
10) Lack of motor vehicular education that driving at or slower than posted speed may not be safest. (Driver Education were offered at US high schools level and slower drivers tend to fall in the categories where drivers came to the US after high school in Asia)
Many of the aforementioned hypotheses could sound offensive and may also identify the traits and slow driving habit of some of the members in this forum. Many may say I am a racist or racially stereotypes. I am in this field because my degrees were in the field of science my methodology is the mixture of science logic and psychology. There are always exceptions. For example ABCs drive much faster than most people. They tricked up their high performance cars. They share the same DNA trait as their slow snail pace mom and dad drivers but yet the ABCs drive very differently. This to me is a fascinating environmental, psychological and behavioral science.
bkshopr_IHB
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Part 2
In the case of Chapman College when the rape risk factor for a very nice area is 4 times higher than the national average one should really need to ask and seek solution for crime prevention. The subject area zip code boundary is extremely small. It is slightly over 1.5 square miles.
1) Incidences reported on campus ground were indication of several factors. Dormitories are not well protected behind campus walls and too mixed in with residential streets where outsider could prey and observe the students’ consistent class schedule and routine.
2) Dormitory is separated from the campus.
3) Too many entries into the school. Entire perimeter is penetrable.
4) The number of bars in the residential neighborhood is excessive.
5) The students attending school are very wealthy and well off than most other colleges.
6) St Vincent DePaul food bank and second hand store employed mostly homeless and alcoholics in recovery. Questionable individuals in neighborhood who are drunk most of the time.
7) St Vincent DePaul offer soup kitchen and supplies to homeless therefore they sleep on the sidewalks near the depot and Almond streets.
8) Students’ partying and bar activities are high
9) Neighborhood is extremely quaint and many homeowners and pedestrian walk the street even late at night.
10) Both Chapman and Glassell Street are both very busy streets with cross town traffic. Outsiders and tourist come into the neighborhood a lot. Too much public exposure is bad.
11) Lighting is low in preserving the ambiance of a by gone era neighborhood. Bright lighting deters crime.
12) Incidences of date rape. Victim knew the assailant. Victims were female students. Few were female pedestrians in neighborhood.
13) Street pattern layout as grid iron. Getting away is very easy. There are no culdesacs and dead end streets(Irvine). Most crimes occur in grid neighborhood than curvilinear streets.
14) School curriculums are socially oriented and inspired interactions.
These are all factors to be considered and numerous hypotheses are proposed. No other areas in OC are like this environment. Very few colleges have no perimeter walls and dormitories are mixed in with residential streets.
The campus was originally a high school and Chapman many years ago adapted re-used the campus into a college campus. The design was never intended as a college campus. The layout and its expansion plan is shoe horned and forced. Many college campuses are designed with an approach, entry, gate, walls, quads, circulation and paths. Missing the proper sequences it exposes the vulnerability and renders the environment less defensible.
In the case of Chapman College when the rape risk factor for a very nice area is 4 times higher than the national average one should really need to ask and seek solution for crime prevention. The subject area zip code boundary is extremely small. It is slightly over 1.5 square miles.
1) Incidences reported on campus ground were indication of several factors. Dormitories are not well protected behind campus walls and too mixed in with residential streets where outsider could prey and observe the students’ consistent class schedule and routine.
2) Dormitory is separated from the campus.
3) Too many entries into the school. Entire perimeter is penetrable.
4) The number of bars in the residential neighborhood is excessive.
5) The students attending school are very wealthy and well off than most other colleges.
6) St Vincent DePaul food bank and second hand store employed mostly homeless and alcoholics in recovery. Questionable individuals in neighborhood who are drunk most of the time.
7) St Vincent DePaul offer soup kitchen and supplies to homeless therefore they sleep on the sidewalks near the depot and Almond streets.
8) Students’ partying and bar activities are high
9) Neighborhood is extremely quaint and many homeowners and pedestrian walk the street even late at night.
10) Both Chapman and Glassell Street are both very busy streets with cross town traffic. Outsiders and tourist come into the neighborhood a lot. Too much public exposure is bad.
11) Lighting is low in preserving the ambiance of a by gone era neighborhood. Bright lighting deters crime.
12) Incidences of date rape. Victim knew the assailant. Victims were female students. Few were female pedestrians in neighborhood.
13) Street pattern layout as grid iron. Getting away is very easy. There are no culdesacs and dead end streets(Irvine). Most crimes occur in grid neighborhood than curvilinear streets.
14) School curriculums are socially oriented and inspired interactions.
These are all factors to be considered and numerous hypotheses are proposed. No other areas in OC are like this environment. Very few colleges have no perimeter walls and dormitories are mixed in with residential streets.
The campus was originally a high school and Chapman many years ago adapted re-used the campus into a college campus. The design was never intended as a college campus. The layout and its expansion plan is shoe horned and forced. Many college campuses are designed with an approach, entry, gate, walls, quads, circulation and paths. Missing the proper sequences it exposes the vulnerability and renders the environment less defensible.
Trooper_IHB
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<p>Blue,</p>
<p>The bill regarding teenage use of cells and laptops while driving, is still in debate. It has passed the Assembly so far...not a law yet.</p>
<p>The bill regarding teenage use of cells and laptops while driving, is still in debate. It has passed the Assembly so far...not a law yet.</p>
effenheimer_IHB
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I wish the new law would take effect tomorrow, combined with a Singaporean-style corporal punishment. As a bicyclist and motorcyclist, I feel that the cell-phone drivers place me at perilous risk.
Trooper_IHB
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<p>I agree eff....and If I see someone talking on the phone and driving like an as*, they're getting a ticket.</p>
<p>bk - again, I think it may be the first generation drivers that are the worst, but I still don't understand why many insist on driving in the left lane only. I've often thought that they feel it is the safest lane because the mitigating factor of traffic merging from on and off ramps, is not there. Only the ingress and egress of the HOV lanes. </p>
<p>bk - again, I think it may be the first generation drivers that are the worst, but I still don't understand why many insist on driving in the left lane only. I've often thought that they feel it is the safest lane because the mitigating factor of traffic merging from on and off ramps, is not there. Only the ingress and egress of the HOV lanes. </p>