What areas are left to build new homes in Irvine? What am I missing?

[ak]

There is no available land in Irvine to build 21,000 affordable units.  Am I missing something?  Why doesn't HUD or SCAG mandate 21,000 affordable units in the Inland Empire?  They need the extra people/family to build out the commerce in that region and they plenty of raw land to accommodate this.

 

[ak]

There is no available land in Irvine to build 21,000 affordable units.  Am I missing something?  Why doesn't HUD or SCAG mandate 21,000 affordable units in the Inland Empire?  They need the extra people/family to build out the commerce in that region and they plenty of raw land to accommodate this.

First of all, there's plenty of available land in Irvine as folks have indicated above.  SF or Manhattan this is not.


What makes you think that the affordable units will be built separately than everything else?  What difference does how the IE allocates its affordable housing make on what Irvine does?

If you were under the impression you bought in Beverly Hills or Atherton and only will have multi-million dollar homes in your city, you are mistaken.

The land you note is already all spoken for and entitled.  GP has only approx. 4,800 approved and at most might get another 5,000 units.  Unless everything that is going to be built in Irvine for the next 5 yrs. is going to be affordable housing, 21,000 affordable units are not going to happen in Irvine.  It is physically impossible.

 

[Irvinecommuter]

There is no available land in Irvine to build 21,000 affordable units.  Am I missing something?  Why doesn't HUD or SCAG mandate 21,000 affordable units in the Inland Empire?  They need the extra people/family to build out the commerce in that region and they plenty of raw land to accommodate this.

Because HUD requires a certain percentage of housing/construction to be affordable units.  Every city/local has to do it...richer cities just choose not to because they don't like having affordable unit.
http://www.huduser.org/rbc/searchrbc/rbcdetails.asp?DocId=456

California also has its own requirements
http://www.cp-dr.com/node/2371

 

[Ready2Downsize]

High Rises wouldn't occupy that much land and could include lots of units.

 

[ak]

The point is the City of Irvine does not agree with SCAG/HUD in their allocation of affordable housing requirements for Irvine and will therefore do everything in its powers to build out these upcoming developments as quickly as possible with the bare minimum of affordable housing.  Not 21,000 units.  My guess would be around 1,000 more units hopefully near and within the IBC planning area.

 

[ak]

The point is the City of Irvine does not agree with SCAG/HUD in their allocation of affordable housing requirements for Irvine and will therefore do everything in its powers to build out these upcoming developments as quickly as possible with the bare minimum of affordable housing.  Not 21,000 units.  My guess would be around 1,000 more units hopefully near and within the IBC planning area.

Where are you seeing this?  Where is it documented?

It's a fact and documented that the City of Irvine sued SCAG because it vehemently disagreed with SCAG's allocation for the city.  I'm not exactly sure where the lawsuit currently stands, but if you looks at all of the land available for housing, all of it has already be spoken for.  There will be some affordable housing units, but not 21,000.

 

[FranchisePlr]

What do people think is the most desirable at this point that is or will be available?

1) Orchard Hills
2) Hidden Caynon (Laguna Altura Ext)
3) Northwood Pointe (Area 5b)

I can't see the Irvine Business Complex being family friendly. 

 

[qwerty]

What do people think is the most desirable at this point that is or will be available?

1) Orchard Hills
2) Hidden Caynon (Laguna Altura Ext)
3) Northwood Pointe (Area 5b)

I can't see the Irvine Business Complex being family friendly. 

Standard Pacific in Tustin, north of Warner, West of Jamboree. 365 homes coming next year!

 

[irvinehomeowner]

What do people think is the most desirable at this point that is or will be available?

1) Orchard Hills
2) Hidden Caynon (Laguna Altura Ext)
3) Northwood Pointe (Area 5b)

I can't see the Irvine Business Complex being family friendly. 

I think it's called Northwood Paseo.

Hidden Canyon is most desirable to me, farther from the freeway and in south Irvine... plus it has cul-de-sacs.

 

[Irvinecommuter]

The point is the City of Irvine does not agree with SCAG/HUD in their allocation of affordable housing requirements for Irvine and will therefore do everything in its powers to build out these upcoming developments as quickly as possible with the bare minimum of affordable housing.  Not 21,000 units.  My guess would be around 1,000 more units hopefully near and within the IBC planning area.

How is that the point?  Irvine can do what it wants but they're going to have to pay for it down the line whether it be in money or conversion of units.

 

[OCgasman]

What do people think is the most desirable at this point that is or will be available?

1) Orchard Hills
2) Hidden Caynon (Laguna Altura Ext)
3) Northwood Pointe (Area 5b)

I can't see the Irvine Business Complex being family friendly.

Not really comparing apples to apples as Hidden Canyon will be all luxury SFR.  Are you saying what is the most desirable area for luxury SFR?

 

[bones]

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[test]

1) Orchard Hills - view lots
2) Hidden Caynon (Laguna Altura Ext) - best location
3) Northwood Pointe (Area 5b) - crap

 

[Arman]

You forgot:

1) Planning Area 5B
It includes an apartment complex, elementary school, public and private parks, ~1900 homes--SFR detatched, townhomes, and condos.
http://www.talkirvine.com/index.php/topic,3654.0.html

I drove by Area 5B yesterday. There were big bulldozers leveling land and doing what big bulldozers do.

 

[ak]

The point is the City of Irvine does not agree with SCAG/HUD in their allocation of affordable housing requirements for Irvine and will therefore do everything in its powers to build out these upcoming developments as quickly as possible with the bare minimum of affordable housing.  Not 21,000 units.  My guess would be around 1,000 more units hopefully near and within the IBC planning area.

How is that the point?  Irvine can do what it wants but they're going to have to pay for it down the line whether it be in money or conversion of units.

As usually the case in these types of situations, SCAG will most likely sue Irvine again and the city will settle for a lot less affordable units than the original 21,000 mandate.  IMO, mostly like settle for less than 2,000 units. 

 

[Irvinecommuter]

The point is the City of Irvine does not agree with SCAG/HUD in their allocation of affordable housing requirements for Irvine and will therefore do everything in its powers to build out these upcoming developments as quickly as possible with the bare minimum of affordable housing.  Not 21,000 units.  My guess would be around 1,000 more units hopefully near and within the IBC planning area.

How is that the point?  Irvine can do what it wants but they're going to have to pay for it down the line whether it be in money or conversion of units.

As usually the case in these types of situations, SCAG will most likely sue Irvine again and the city will settle for a lot less affordable units than the original 21,000 mandate.  IMO, mostly like settle for less than 2,000 units.

Except they don't have to settle...they fought Irvine all the way last time.

 

[ak]

The point is the City of Irvine does not agree with SCAG/HUD in their allocation of affordable housing requirements for Irvine and will therefore do everything in its powers to build out these upcoming developments as quickly as possible with the bare minimum of affordable housing.  Not 21,000 units.  My guess would be around 1,000 more units hopefully near and within the IBC planning area.

How is that the point?  Irvine can do what it wants but they're going to have to pay for it down the line whether it be in money or conversion of units.

As usually the case in these types of situations, SCAG will most likely sue Irvine again and the city will settle for a lot less affordable units than the original 21,000 mandate.  IMO, mostly like settle for less than 2,000 units.

Except they don't have to settle...they fought Irvine all the way last time.

By the time SCAG fights all the way through the courts and all of the appeals, all of the raw land in Irvine will be built out. 

 

[Ready2Downsize]

There is still land in Irvine and will be for a while. The city has built some affordable housing already but I doubt they get to 21,000.

I agree........ probably the city will end up paying a fine but the higher property taxes they collect would most likely be more than the fine they pay.

 

[nosuchreality]

What do people think is the most desirable at this point that is or will be available?

1) Orchard Hills
2) Hidden Caynon (Laguna Altura Ext)
3) Northwood Pointe (Area 5b)

I can't see the Irvine Business Complex being family friendly. 

To me, area 5b will be basically another Stonegate.  In terms of OH and Hidden Canyon, the size of each are vastly different so while OH will have offerings running of gamut, HC will probably just have large SFRs.  I prefer OH mainly due to location.  Our life is on this side of Irvine.  I think the answer to your question depends on what is your definition of "most desirable".

Thanks for depressing me.  I just realized, my life is at John Wayne Airport, Terminal B.  :'(

At least it's not LAX.

 

[Irvinecommuter]

The point is the City of Irvine does not agree with SCAG/HUD in their allocation of affordable housing requirements for Irvine and will therefore do everything in its powers to build out these upcoming developments as quickly as possible with the bare minimum of affordable housing.  Not 21,000 units.  My guess would be around 1,000 more units hopefully near and within the IBC planning area.

How is that the point?  Irvine can do what it wants but they're going to have to pay for it down the line whether it be in money or conversion of units.

As usually the case in these types of situations, SCAG will most likely sue Irvine again and the city will settle for a lot less affordable units than the original 21,000 mandate.  IMO, mostly like settle for less than 2,000 units.

Except they don't have to settle...they fought Irvine all the way last time.

By the time SCAG fights all the way through the courts and all of the appeals, all of the raw land in Irvine will be built out.

Injunctions my friend...injunctions.