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<strong>Irvine resident victim of $6,000 street scam</strong>


Man says he was duped in foreign currency ploy to give money to church. Police say another man was also victimized.





By ELYSSE JAMES


STAFF WRITER





A popular e-mail scam has been converted to a face-to-face con, where con artists accompany people to a bank and then walk off with their money.





The long-running e-mail scam goes like this: The sender of an e-mail claims he or she has come into millions of dollars in a foreign currency and needs help because the money cannot be transferred. This person needs someone to give them money until they can exchange the inheritance, at which point they will pay back all of the money that was lent.





Two Irvine residents have apparently fallen for the face-to-face version of this con game.





On Saturday, an Irvine resident was approached by a man in the Spectrum Center parking lot near Target. The man said he needed a ride to a church, where he intended to donate millions of dollars in foreign currency he had inherited, according to Police Lt. Rick Handfield.





The man reportedly said he would pay the resident $100 for driving him to the church. On the way, the two picked up a second man – supposedly just by chance – who provided some money as a sign of trust.





The Irvine resident took $6,000 from an account at Bank of America at 14222 Culver Drive, while the two men waited outside, supposedly to avoid the bank's security cameras.





The victim then drove the two men to Bethel Korean church on Harvard Avenue, where he said they walked off with his money.





In mid-October, an Irvine man lost jewelry he had taken from a safe-deposit box, and cash he had taken out of two or three banks, according to Handfield. He told police a similar story about being approached by a man at a grocery store in Northwood.





A third similar case happened in October in Westminster.





Both suspects from the incident Saturday are male. The first is described as black, 50 to 60 years old, about 5 feet 10 inches tall, thin and has a mustache. He was wearing a dark jacket and a T-shirt with dress slacks. The second man is black, about 5 feet 10 inches tall in his mid-30s. He was wearing a long, blue, collared shirt and dress pants.





Police are checking a cell phone left in the victim's car by one of the suspects containing an e-mail address and photos.
 
Yes, by all means, look out for black people as opposed to scammers generally. Because all black people will scam you, and no one of any other race will.
 
<p>According to this article, both the victims reported the scammers are black. It is likely that those same people will strike back. so what is wrong to look for "black" in this case? </p>

<p>Oh I get it....since the blacks are reported to have committed this crime, so we should be looking for white or asians or hispancs? </p>

<p>For crying out loud, sometimes we all have to use some common sense.</p>

<p>The trend title probably need some work, but once we read it, we all know what he / she is talking about. There is no reason to bring "race" into this discussion here. </p>
 
<p>Amazing that this person feels free to add a thread like this.</p>

<p>Of course, we all know about Nigerians. but other persons of African descent are no more felonious than anybody else.</p>

<p>Appropo of nothing, my former prosecuter husband used to refer to Jewish crime, as crime that took some thinking about to accomplish, as opposed to say, knocking over a convenience store. Years ago, he prosecuted some Nigerians for a very complicated airline ticket fraud. So the Nigerians were committing a very Jewish crime!!</p>

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<p>Uh, yeah. Let's fix the thread title.</p>

<p>You know, we chastize people who stupidly take out loans they cannot repay, yet here's a person who gives money to someone who claims to be looking to donate $millions, yet does not have their own means of transportation. My sympathy is pretty subdued in this.</p>
 
<p><em>>>Oh I get it....since the blacks are reported to have committed this crime, so we should be looking for white or asians or hispancs?</em> </p>

<p>Actually, you don't get it. The headline could have read, "Look out for scammers in Irvine" or "Two Blacks Alleged Involved in Scamming Plot in Irvine." The headline chosen is more blanket than necessary, dontcha think? I mean, should I be "watching out" for my neighbors (yes Virginia, black people live in Irvine) even though I know them well enough to know that they're not involved, not to mention that they are also female? C'mon, the headline need not be inflammatory to be effective.</p>

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Eval, Like i said, the headline probably need some work.



But I doubt abc123 meant to be inflammatory here.



I am sorry, but the way you jumping on ABC123 with your comments brings me the image of Jessie Jackson, who believes that if the word "black" is assocated with any negativity, it is racism. This is exactly what you are accusing ABC123 of in your short but to the point comment.
 
<p>Irvine123,</p>

<p><em>I am sorry, but the way you jumping on ABC123 with your comments brings me the image of Jessie Jackson, who believes that if the word "black" is assocated with any negativity, it is racism. This is exactly what you are accusing ABC123 of in your short but to the point comment.</em> </p>

<p>That is an absurd statement. The issue is that ABC123 tried to lump all black people as scammers based on the actions of two people. It is not "racism" but rather "stereotyping". Some Chinese people eat dogs and cats should should we warn people to keep their dogs and cats away from Chinese people? </p>
 
<p>Ha! Don't get me started on racist this is...</p>

<p>...even the team at the OC Register is racist for the URL and tag.</p>

<p>Anyway, isn't this yet just another example of being personally accountable for your safety? Luckily this story ends with only lost money, but it could've easily ended violently. Why people continue to allow themselves to be in vulnerable/compromising positions, I do not know. </p>

<p>Maybe I should be less suspicious of everyone and everything but it has served me well to this point. </p>

<p>Two weeks ago, I had a guy run up on me at a gas station when I left LAX talking about how he needed a ride to his job. No way would I let a stranger into my car.</p>
 
<p>IC, </p>

<p>I am not going to argue with you or anyone what ABC123's intent here. None of us know. I found it ABSURB for you to be so SURE about his intent here. </p>

<p>ABC123 didn't make any other comments other than his/her title of the trend. I tend to give people benefit of the doubt, without jumping at anyone. Maybe ABC123 has language barriers, maybe ABC123 just type in without thinking ( we all done that), or maybe he or she is a racist. WE don't know. So why bring in the race issue in?? </p>

<p>Hey, nothing prevent you from thinking the worst of others. Have a nice day. </p>

<p> </p>
 
<p><em>>>So why bring in the race issue in??</em> </p>

<p>If you look at the headline, it was the author, not the responders, that brought the race issue in.</p>

<p><em>>>Eval, Like i said, the headline probably need some work.</em> </p>

<p>Yes, I'm glad you came to that conclusion - albeit after my second comment.</p>
 
<p>Irvine123,</p>

<p>Even assuming your view to be reality, ABC123's statement is insensitive at best. While ABC123 could be less reprehensible for his actions if he had no intent to discriminate or stereotype, the statement is no less offensive. </p>

<p> </p>
 
Regardless of ABC 123's intent, or lack thereof, it is still very ignorant and stupid. It is hard to think he was not thinking of race, when someone throws out a general statement like "watch out for black people"





Maybe when I need a good banker I will look out for Jewish people in Irvine,





When I need someone to clean my bathroom, maybe i will look out for some mexicans in irvine





if I want someone to wreck into my car maybe i will look out for some asian women in irvine.





I dont mean to offend anyone, and i apologize for using stereotypes but just trying to point out how ignorant it is to say "watch out for black people.
 
yeah i dont think anyone is suggesting intent but clearly the title is insensitive, if not racist. everyone seems to agree on that unless one is intentionally playing devils advocate for the sake of debate. eval's comment was obviously a sarcastic quip about the title and i didnt see it as anything more than that. just as i didnt see the original title as anything more than poorly-worded, but likely unintentional and therefore kind of whimsical. its like a bad headline joke from leno at worst.





cant the title be changed and that be the end of it?
 
<p>I have no sympathy for the victims.</p>

<p>Sorry, none.</p>

<p>If you are so stupid as to pick up someone that walks up to you in the target parking lot, gives you a fanciful story, give them a ride, pick up another guy, stop at your bank and take money out, there is nothing for the rest of us to do.</p>

<p>I'd feel sorry for the victim if was given the guy a ride to the homeless shelter and got robbed.</p>

<p>But the blatant stupidity in the scam at best says the victim needs to be committed to an assisted living center.</p>

<p>Yes, I feel bad about being that jaded. The victim was victimized, apparently because they lack the sensibility to walk the street.</p>
 
I do not like to censure anyone here, but I changed the title. In fact, I have let many things slide, and encourage various opinions.





This is the Irvine Housing Blog, and while we have a wide variety of topics, ethnicity is a sticky subject. IMO it is a subject to avoid, because the opinions will vary greatly from one end of the spectrum to the other. So, I am asking nicely to avoid the subject. There are plenty of other blogs, that will welcome the discussion. Can we go back to talking about housing, beer, restaurants, and rate freezes... please?
 
wait, shouldnt it be "watch out for scammers (they will most likely be black) in Irvine"





when i was living in philly there was this panhandler (PC term) who was always giving a sob story about how he has a job in the city but lives in the burbs and today he lost his wallet and just needs a few bucks for the train. only problem is he would see me practically every day, around the same time of day, on the same street, and still give me the same story. the lack of creativity was insulting, but i think what annoyed me most was he didn't remember me from day to day. shallow? well, everyone wants to be popular.
 
<em>wait, shouldnt it be "watch out for scammers (they will most likely be black) in Irvine"</em>



Actually, my experience has proven out that it is best to be most wary of caucasians wearing business suits promising above market returns.


 
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