Veterans Cemetery coming to Irvine

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yaliu07 said:
According to a January 2014 report by the nonprofit organization State Budget Solutions, California had a state debt of approximately $778 billion. Its state debt per capita was $20,449. The report revealed that state governments faced a combined $5.1 trillion in debt. The obligation amounted to $16,178 per capita in the nation.[11]
http://ballotpedia.org/California_state_budget_and_finances
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So ... then we should fold up the State, Federal, and most other countries (Brazil, Greece ...) because of debt? Chicago, Los Angeles? NYC?

Surplus = more coming in than currently spending, in Govt speak.

Has nada to do with the Veterans Cemetery. Remember Washington has a printing press for money, and funding comes from the VA.
 
yaliu07 said:
socal, please readhttp://www.dailypilot.com/news/tn-dpt-me-0612-irvine-cemetery-20150612,0,7456127.story

hopefully you read through all 57 pages of this thread now.  do you still think we (local residents) are anti-veteran?  :) do you think we  (local residents) have the right to voice our opinion?  :)
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I made it to page 20. That is near the point where I joined the thread so I think I'm good, I remember most of the rest. When I last checked this thread it was around 50 pages. Today we're at 63. It is impossible to keep up while clicking all of the links people provide in the posts and reading those, too. I have a busy life outside of T.I. I will try my best to catch up but no guarantees.
 
momopi said:
Plenty of TCE and PCB under El Toro.
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And that means nada to a Veterans Cemetery. Cemetery also counts as 'open space' and 'wildlife corridor'.

Now residents do have to worry about buried toxins and poison plumes in the water table. I won't want to have my casa there!
 
I am just curious - do you live in any of the neighborhood like PP or PS?  I wonder if there is anyone from PP or PS are for the current cemetery proposal.  Interesting enough most(if not all) folks in supporting the current cemetery proposal are not residents from either neighborhoods.
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Of course we don't live close by.  We respect the vets and that's why we support a cemetery in the new and better neighborhoods. My backyard is full of hills and trees - definitely not a very convenient lot.

But more interestingly, there are lots of people in the anti-cemetery group who don't live close by. Some of them are not even from Irvine. What are their excuses for getting involved in this topic?



 
Our Gang said:
momopi said:
Plenty of TCE and PCB under El Toro.
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And that means nada to a Veterans Cemetery. Cemetery also counts as 'open space' and 'wildlife corridor'.

Now residents do have to worry about buried toxins and poison plumes in the water table. I won't want to have my casa there!
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Sorry to tell...those are already there.  GP = El Toro.
 
WillJoy said:
I am just curious - do you live in any of the neighborhood like PP or PS?  I wonder if there is anyone from PP or PS are for the current cemetery proposal.  Interesting enough most(if not all) folks in supporting the current cemetery proposal are not residents from either neighborhoods.
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Of course we don't live close by.  We respect the vets and that's why we support a cemetery in the new and better neighborhoods. My backyard is full of hills and trees - definitely not a very convenient lot.

But more interestingly, there are lots of people in the anti-cemetery group who don't live close by. Some of them are not even from Irvine. What are their excuses for getting involved in this topic?
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We wouldn't know that.  At least from my observation people mostly not happy about cemetery proposal are from PP/PS/BP(potential buyer?)  Of course for those who don't live near by and decide to against it I have no clue what they are doing.  This is an online forum and anyone can decide who they want to be.
 
Curious...does anyone ever think Five points already knew about the potential Cemetery when they started building PP? Reason why I ask, I've seen people on this site comment about how cheap PP started off and how much bigger the lots are compared to the rest of the new Irvine developments. Perhaps this was their way of attracting the buyers, knowing the Cemetery news will break soon. Which it did as they were coming to a close on the development, how convenient.
 
Frank Lee, on the OCVMP page, says: "As an Asian American and former United States Marine, I am deeply offended that the culture of another country -- any other country for that matter, supersedes the needs of the U.S. veteran. Approximately 50 years ago I stood on the tarmac at MCAS El Toro waiting my turn along with troop replacements for 2nd Battalion 4th Marines, to board a flight to a foreign and distant place called Vietnam. Now here I am again at this same place petitioning for a final place of rest. Yes, Irvine, culturally it is bad feng shui to be next to a cemetery. But half a century ago it was bad feng shui to go off to war."

Oooo... burrrrn.
 
Developers have an obligation to disclose material facts that might affect the safety and value of the properties in question. It does not matter whether cemetery is on the list of required disclosure. Affected buyers should seek recourse or at least complain to BRE or DRE.

The cemetery proposal did not intent to harm property value. It is the developers that are screwing the buyers.

Yaliu and J$, have you and your fellow buyers considered organizing a meeting with the developers to discuss this? I'll chip in $50 cash if you want to make a protest banner.
 
WillJoy said:
Developers have an obligation to disclose material facts that might affect the safety and value of the properties in question. It does not matter whether cemetery is on the list of required disclosure. Affected buyers should seek recourse or at least complain to BRE or DRE.

The cemetery proposal did not intent to harm property value. It is the developers that are screwing the buyers.

Yaliu and J$, have you and your fellow buyers considered organizing a meeting with the developers to discuss this? I'll chip in $50 cash if you want to make a protest banner.
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That lawsuit will be laughed out of court.  The cemetery came up after development and is the result of zoning. 
 
What about the plot of land across the jail, across bake/baker ranch, it looks like the furthest land away from gp housing, and looks to be Irvine and adjacent enough to the base.  Pp/ps/bp are far enough away, but close to the other future neighborhoods, but at least for them, they would already know a cemetery will be there
 
Our Gang said:
Surplus = more coming in than currently spending, in Govt speak.

Has nada to do with the Veterans Cemetery. Remember Washington has a printing press for money, and funding comes from the VA.
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Our federal government can print unlimited money. States can not. Because there are already 3 veteran cemeteries (Los Angeles, San Diego, Riverside) within 75 miles of the GP site, this means federal government will not be paying.
 
WillJoy said:
Developers have an obligation to disclose material facts that might affect the safety and value of the properties in question. It does not matter whether cemetery is on the list of required disclosure. Affected buyers should seek recourse or at least complain to BRE or DRE.

The cemetery proposal did not intent to harm property value. It is the developers that are screwing the buyers.

Yaliu and J$, have you and your fellow buyers considered organizing a meeting with the developers to discuss this? I'll chip in $50 cash if you want to make a protest banner.
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Not a bad idea. There was definitely no disclosure whatsoever for PP buyers. In fact, it was not disclosed at the Beacon Park meet the builder event. Clearly an obvious attempt by 5P to hide the truth.
 
eatthis said:
WillJoy said:
Developers have an obligation to disclose material facts that might affect the safety and value of the properties in question. It does not matter whether cemetery is on the list of required disclosure. Affected buyers should seek recourse or at least complain to BRE or DRE.

The cemetery proposal did not intent to harm property value. It is the developers that are screwing the buyers.

Yaliu and J$, have you and your fellow buyers considered organizing a meeting with the developers to discuss this? I'll chip in $50 cash if you want to make a protest banner.
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Not a bad idea. There was definitely no disclosure whatsoever for PP buyers. In fact, it was not disclosed at the Beacon Park meet the builder event. Clearly an obvious attempt by 5P to hide the truth.
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It's kinda of hard to hide something that is public record and wildly publicized. 
 
WillJoy said:
Of course we don't live close by.  We respect the vets and that's why we support a cemetery in the new and better neighborhoods. My backyard is full of hills and trees - definitely not a very convenient lot.
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How convenient. Why don't you invite the homeless veterans to stay in your house as a gesture of your respect. Don't say. Do.

WillJoy said:
But more interestingly, there are lots of people in the anti-cemetery group who don't live close by. Some of them are not even from Irvine. What are their excuses for getting involved in this topic?
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How would you know that? Why would you question others when you yourself is not close by? You're just here to stir up trouble.
 
Irvinecommuter said:
It's kinda of hard to hide something that is public record and wildly publicized.
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Not every buyers is from the area. How would they know? Regardless, it's a requirement for the builder to disclose, not for the buyer to somehow just know because it's public record.
 
eatthis said:
Irvinecommuter said:
It's kinda of hard to hide something that is public record and wildly publicized.
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Not every buyers is from the area. How would they know? Regardless, it's a requirement for the builder to disclose, not for the buyer to somehow just know because it's public record.
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It's not...you guys think too much about disclosure laws.  Sellers have to disclose known and non-obvious defects (like tainted soils and flood plains).  Public records  not included.
 
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